Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

[Harry Guerrilla]

Was she shot for being White Australian? The Asian in Kansas was certainly shot for being a brown-skinned Asian.

I don't know.
But again, an incredibly rare event, not happening to someone, as an example of privilege, is fairly dumb.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Is that supposed to be evidence of "White privilege?"
Not other things involved with the case?

There was a White guy in my state, that was convicted of murder, he killed his former boss in a fit of rage.
1 murder and sentenced to death, only decades later was it commuted to a life sentence.

From 1896, Plessy v. Ferguson, until 1954, Brown v. Board of Education Topeka Kansas, Segregation (Separate but Equal) remained the Law of the Land.

 

[Mach]

I find that culture and family have stronger influences on success and not than the color of your skin.

Other factors are not relevant to majority advantage (white privelege) being a factor. To suggest so is absurd.

Also, unfortunately for you, race is related to what culture/family you will be born into. How can you not know these obvious things?

a solid family unit is primary the key in success for children. this is a proven fact.

The field of mathematics deals in "proven facts". Science as related to sociological factors, does not deal in "proven facts". You need understand that to move on.
This says father's education level is the strongest (office for national statistics)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/23/fathers-education-child-success-school

So much for your "proof"

this is culture it has nothing to do with skin color.

Words don't even describe how absurd this is.

Poverty rates for Black families vary based on the family type.the biggest difference is between high school and college graduation rates.

All of which is influenced in part by minority disadvantage. So much for you isolating the real issues to "disprove" majority advantage.

The only thing that went out the window are your seemingly ignorant arguments. You still appear to know nothing of the actual term, keep up the good fight, your advantage can't overcome your defects, that's quite clear.

 

[calamity]

Lol wow how bias and racist are you? People live where they can afford to live regardless of their skin color.
My manager who is a black guy has a way nicer home in a way. Nicer neighborhood than I do where he lives.

They guy that interviewed me for my current position was gay.
I have never had a reason to go to court.
Don't plan on it either.

I can point you to quite a few black attorney's in he area if you like.

You should really stop judging people by their skin color.

lol...watch any show on court TV, count the number of Black judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys. Then get back to me.

Check out any list of fortune 500 CEO's and VP's. Count the number of people who are not white. Then get back to me.

Stop at a bar on the side of the road in, let's say, Kansas. Count the number of white people, Asians and Blacks. Then get back to me.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

From 1896, Plessy v. Ferguson, until 1954, Brown v. Board of Education Topeka Kansas, Segregation (Separate but Equal) remained the Law of the Land.

Yea I understand the history of racism in America.
I have already admitted that there is a case for reverberations of it existing.

With that said, disparities in statistics and situations being boiled down to, "White privilege," is an an example of fallacy of a single cause and scapegoating.
The advances made since those times have been, nothing short of remarkable and if you look at statistics on nations most tolerant to minorities, is largely those with majority Anglo descended populations.

In the end, there are few places than those countries, where being a minority is better.

 

[Mach]

lol...watch any show on court TV, count the number of Black judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys. Then get back to me.
Check out any list of fortune 500 CEO's and VP's. Count the number of people who are not white. Then get back to me.
Stop at a bar on the side of the road in, let's say, Kansas. Count the number of white people, Asians and Blacks. Then get back to me.

He must be like Colbert, he can't "see" color/race.

 

[AGENT J]

Part 1

1.) I appreciate the numbers. That will make this easier to respond to.

2) Whites will have it easier? Why?
3.) Observing that average doesn't mean it is a "privilege."
4.) Does that mean whites are superior to blacks?
5.) That we white people "cheat the system?"
6.) I guess you believe in Asian privilege too then right?
7.) The existence IS in argument as you have already acknowledge...
8.) not every white person is privileged. Nor is every black disadvantaged.
9.) I will give you that there is an observable reality here about "privilege," but it isn't about skin color.
10.) It is about cultural values. Which sometimes have racial components, but I have significantly more in common with a religious southern rural black man than a non religious suburban white person in the northwest. Culturally that is.
11.)And when you contextualize the discussion in that light...you see it isn't about color...but values.
12.) A silly response predicated on your emotions. Essentially you are so offended by the notion that white privilege is crap...because it shatters a political word view. I guess it would be hard on me if I had to start accepting personal responsibility for my own position in life...rather than blaming others. Oh wait! I do that already!

1.) you're welcome, most people do and its exactly why i do it. for clearer communication and less confusion.
2.) because thats the way this country is currently. Theres still enough old school thought process that give whites more of the benefit of the doubt and they dont deal with the same amount of judgment/racism
3.) actually it factually does if. like i said, everything else is equal. Privileged is actually what it is.
4.) nope, never said that
5.) see #4
6.) seems you continue to just make up assumptions, its not helping your failed argument in any way
7.) no its not, its factual, there no real argument to be had, we can argue in the sense that you dont recognize its existence buut it still exists with out your recognition regardless
8.) again see #4 and that fact is meaningless to its existence. all you are proving is you factually dont understand what it is.
9.) actually it is, thats already proven
10.) that is a different topic that has nothing to do with white privileged, like i said take 100 and 100 and make them equal in every way . . there goes culture. If you want to discuss if culture can impact people feel free and i will agree but thats not the discussion here at all
11.) no an educated persons on this topic wont because they will see you are talking about two different things
12.) wrong again, you couldnt possible offended me on a message board lol it just cant happen. I simply pointed out the fact you are assuming things with no basis and making things up. nice try though but a complete failure. also you keep referring to personal responsibility, that also tells me you are making things up because nobody is saying people shouldn't have personal responsibility. Like i said, please stick to things that are actually said. Your points will fail less that way.

 

[AGENT J]

Part 2

13.) Really? Nothing racist about acknowledging that black people are inferior and are completely incapable of succeeding and their skin color is what holds them back? That they ask individuals have no realistic control over their destiny. They will always be black and disadvantaged. :eye roll:
14.) See. You can pretend the personal responsibility crowd is racist...but at least we believe that someone is capable of anything regardless of color.
15.) ) Again. Flawed concept from the outset. 50 years ago? I would agree. I'm 2017 after we had a black president? I don't. Which leads me too...
16.) Cultural values are far more valuable than race.
17.) Being white doesn't give you a leg up.
18.) The only way it does...is that you don't have an excuse for why you suck at life.
19.) And the reality here is that...plenty of blacks and other races have showed that to be true. They don't suck at life and have good cultural values and succeed.
20.)So you can accept that personal responsibility gets you a long way in life...or not.
21.) But THAT is an actual reality.

13.) yes REALLY because the retarded lie you just made up nobody said LMAO where did i say "black people are inferior and are completely incapable of succeeding and their skin color is what holds them back" , please quote me saying that, oh wait, i never did . . oops seems you are making stuff up AGAIN and got caught and exposed. will you accept responsibility, show integrity honesty and admit it? we'll see
14.) again, please quote me saying the retard lie you just posted? you cant because its a lie and strawman. This is typical behavior form some when thier posts are getting destroyed but it doesn't mean people fall for it. So funny reading the arguments you are just making up.
15.) you keep repeating that but yet havent provided ones sound logical reason its flawed, let me know when you can.
16.) they CAN be but it would depend on the society withing OBVIOUSLY. How much would culture values matter to slaves or jews in the past? zero to none.
17.) again who said it was automatic? i said on avg. seems you cant even make a failed argument that isnt a strawman.
18.) there you go again, who said its an excuse? ill ask you again please stop making stuff up it wont work
19. nope, success doesnt make it disappear, that just further proves you have zero understanding of the reality of this matter
20.) i do and that doesnt negate white privileged factually exist this is way you are struggling so monumentally to prove otherwise
21.) nope, nothing you posted supports your false claim

Dont forget to answer my questions and stop making up retarded lies an straw men, if you want honest intellectual conversation discuss things actual said. You started off ok but it quickly snowballed into you just melting down,, being triggered and arguing things nobody said.
Let me know when you have anything that is sound factual and supports your claims, thanks!

 

[Captain America]

Did you notice White Todd did not get the Death Sentence and Black Chester did.

Did you happen to notice when the white cop killed the black gangsta in Ferguson we got riots, looting, violence in the streets but when black cop kills while lady in pajamas in Minneapolis, there was an absence of anti-social behaviors?

You have a good point Trippy. Disparities certainly do exist.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Once again, the article explains this. He took a plea deal.

Upon further investigation, Chester rejected a plea deal that would have probably resulted in Life Sentences instead of the Death Penalty. I concede your point that White Privilege probably did not factor into their sentence disparity in any major way. I think Todd has an IQ edge over Chester.

 

[radcen]

He must be like Colbert, he can't "see" color/race.

People who claim to be "color blind" are lying. And to make it worse, in a smug and arrogant elitist kind of way.

 

[TheGoverness]

Did you happen to notice when the white cop killed the black gangsta in Ferguson we got riots, looting, violence in the streets but when black cop kills while lady in pajamas in Minneapolis, there was an absence of anti-social behaviors?

I don't like to admit it, but the fact that she was white probably played a significant factor in that.

 

[AGENT J]

amazing when you start looking at facts this "white privilege" thing goes out the window.

LMAO What facts please post them, this is going to be AWESOME!!!
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[radcen]

I don't like to admit it, but the fact that she was white probably played a significant factor in that.

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[calamity]

Did you happen to notice when the white cop killed the black gangsta in Ferguson we got riots, looting, violence in the streets but when black cop kills while lady in pajamas in Minneapolis, there was an absence of anti-social behaviors?

You have a good point Trippy. Disparities certainly do exist.

Ah, so it's really about Black people not behaving the way white people expect that discredits white privilege. I got it....well, not really. But, I think I see the pattern emerging.

 

[TheGoverness]

People who claim to be "color blind" are lying. And to make it worse, in a smug and arrogant elitist kind of way.

Yeah, nobody is color blind. You will always see color, but by that same measure you should treat everyone equally regardless of their race/ethnicity.

 

[Captain America]

You now have to pay reparations to every black person you meet.

Would a free week of Popeye's even the score?

Sorry. Couldn't resist. :lamo

 

[TheGoverness]

I'm not sure what you mean.

The fact that there weren't any riots (at least not that I've heard of).

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Did you happen to notice when the white cop killed the black gangsta in Ferguson we got riots, looting, violence in the streets but when black cop kills while lady in pajamas in Minneapolis, there was an absence of anti-social behaviors?

You have a good point Trippy. Disparities certainly do exist.

I thought about the lack of reported rioting .... and wondered if her background growing up in Australia instead of the USA factored in?

 

[Captain America]

I thought about the lack of reported rioting .... and wondered if her background growing up in Australia instead of the USA factored in?

Aussie Lives Matter! LOL

 

[Captain America]

Ah, so it's really about Black people not behaving the way white people expect that discredits white privilege. I got it....well, not really. But, I think I see the pattern emerging.

Yeah, something like that. It's been referred to as the "social contract" but I have never seen this contract in writing. Stuff like, responsibility, obedience to law, family values, work ethic, etc. All that 'white people' stuff. :roll:

 

[radcen]

Yeah, nobody is color blind. You will always see color, but by that same measure you should treat everyone equally regardless of their race/ethnicity.

Oh, absolutely. I just don't appreciate the lying about it.

 

[OlNate]

you have yet to prove my skin gave my any privilege in life.
nor have you answered several questions I have asked.

that is pretty cute and shows that your argument has no merit.

when you can prove that what I have is because of my skin color then you might have an argument to make.
so far you have yet to be able to do that.

why do you feel guilty? if you have all this privilege why are you not giving it up to other people if you feel guilty about it.
that is the difference. I have no reason to feel guilty. I do not consider myself privileged.

stop trying to project your guilt on me it doesn't make for a good argument.

If you pull your head out for a sec, you'll see multiple places throughout the two threads you and I have been...chatting...where I said guilt need not be a part of this whatsoever. Sorry that doesn't fit your copy and paste rhetoric, but it is what it is.

I have also posted my proof re: the existence of privilege as demonstrated by the disparity statistics readily available for anyone with an internet account and a brain.

The one thing I've suddenly realized is that, while you have spouted off incessantly across two threads for a couple days now, I'm not sure you've posted a single thing to support any of your claims. Are we supposed to accept that your rhetoric trumps statistics? Do you actually have a point, or are you here just to blabber and insult and generally make a nuisance of yourself? You've said a whole lot without really saying anything, so I thought I'd check.

 

[radcen]

The fact that there weren't any riots (at least not that I've heard of).

Ok, got'cha.

 

[AGENT J]

I love how this triggers the usualy suspects again.
I dont know what people THINK or MAKE up what white privileged is bt that wont stop it from existing in reality.

Its not an excuse, its not an answer to all things wrong, it doesn't mean there arent any successful non whites, it doesnt mean that all whites have it awesome, it doesnt mean people should feel guilty. Those are retarded things people say from both sides that has ZERO impact on the reality it exists. :shrug:

like i said early

take 100 white men and 100 black men. Make them identical in every way . . no difference and let them grow p in this country.

ON AVERAGE the white men will fair better based on society structure perceptions stereotypes and prejudice that unfortunately still lingers from the past. This is just basic common sense.

Does that mean none of the blacks will succeed? of course not
does that mean all of the whites will succeed? of course not
its just realty the avg of the whites will be better.

No honest conversation can be had without acknowledging that and leaving the retarded straw man claims at the door. It simply exists, that all