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haymarket said:
Welcome to the fold.
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Don't know if you remember me or not been off a long time, .

I gotta say one thing about this guy Never Trump he left the Republican party to be a Democrat, which is ok by me. There's seems to be some posters that criticize this move.
Nobody criticized my move from the Democratic party to the Independent party. Perhaps things have changed since I left Debate Politics.
As far as I'm concerned I say neither Republicans or Democrats has made any great strides in American progress for America and the American people.: peace
 
maxparrish said:
Actually much in his posts merit worse; for not less than two years (perhaps many more) this fellow has posed as a Republican without defending any Republican sponsored policy or initiative by any wing of the party … not one. However, for two years he has made his only forum purpose to make sweeping and hostile rants against his party. No matter what any Democrat said or did or proposed, or how petty and trivial or wrong-headed his complaints were they all carried one singular theme: Republicans are all evil.

So ya, now that the faux Republican has done his dirty work, he has, much like an American spying for the KGB, boarded his escape plane to the motherland.
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The GOP chose one of the most despicable men on the planet to be their banner holder more than two years ago, so why wouldn't it be "not less than two years (perhaps many more)" since someone opposed to Trump defended Republicans?

It has been a long time since the GOP has taken a stand worth supporting in a manner worth defending.



I left the GOP in November 2015. I hung on longer than I should have. I'm still not a Democrat ... but Trump is trying very hard to turn me into one.
 
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presluc said:
Don't know if you remember me or not been off a long time, .

I gotta say one thing about this guy Never Trump he left the Republican party to be a Democrat, which is ok by me. There's seems to be some posters that criticize this move.
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Don't know why. I was never in their camp to begin with so....
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I just officially registered to be a Democrat. Never thought this would happen, but I can no longer stomach the GOPs extreme positions on well just about everything.
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How can anyone stomack being affiliated with either two evil parties?

I am registered as Not Affiliated.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I just officially registered to be a Democrat. Never thought this would happen, but I can no longer stomach the GOPs extreme positions on well just about everything.
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So you think Maxine Waters is a well balanced individual and not an extremist? :doh
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I just officially registered to be a Democrat. Never thought this would happen, but I can no longer stomach the GOPs extreme positions on well just about everything.
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Praised be! He has seen the light!
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I just officially registered to be a Democrat. Never thought this would happen, but I can no longer stomach the GOPs extreme positions on well just about everything.
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Stay on our side, it's crazy right now but there's also enough "good crazy" that the natural equilibrium will settle things down, but right now what's happening is, the party is being moved a bit back to being liberal, and while there are some truly radical fringe voices there, they don't have enough numbers to move the party into radical territory, so the net result is, we will wind up somewhere between Eisenhower and FDR eventually if we do things the right way.

Like another member once said: "We have cookies" and we will share :)
 
Mycroft said:
So. You moved from the Republican herd to the NeverTrump herd and now to the Democratic herd. Okay.
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Better a herd than a cult.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
So I've been a registered voter ever since my 18th birthday. I was raised in a Republican household. My first election was 2008. I didn't like Obama. I then, didn't like McCain he ran a campaign message I thought was way too conservative. So I wrote in Romney. Was more than happy to vote for Romney in 2012. Voted for Evan McMullin in 2016. I like Bush a lot for what he did for the country after 9/11 minus the wars. The creation of Homeland Security and the surveillance were good additions to the government. Though hardly conservative operations (even though every President has decided to continue w/them...) ;)

I think w/o the noise of Fox News and the partisans, Kasich is where a lot of the GOP would be right now, but they've been listening to 30 years of garbage to care. On the flip side I think AOC IS the future of the Democrats. Her style and messaging are spot on and completely inline with my generation's thinking on most things and her twitter game is A+. Imagine if Obama battled the right wing online like she does? He would have nipped the birther stuff in the butt. So, in many ways the old guard pretending that politics has to be dignified and that there are adults in the room are ending. Warped by cable news, social media, and NDAs.

I do however, like people who have strong opinions and can articulate them in ways that either grab the spotlight or gets something moving in Congress. It's probably the only thing I'll say Trump is an expert on. Yet I don't like blind loyalty or partisans who only focus on one partisan topic. Examples of people I have some respect for include...

On the Republican side: Mitt Romney, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum
On the Democrats side: Beto O'Rourke, Ilhan Omar, Julian Castro, Kamala Harris, Don Lemon
Relatively independent: Chris Cuomo, Bill Maher

Besides for those listed I tend to not like people who have worked on or for campaigns where it's clear who they are defending and it's pretty pointless to have them on TV just to try to get a soundbite out of them. Oh and the anti-media sentiment in the GOP is something I really cannot stomach anymore. IDK if this makes much sense, but I hope it answers some of your questions.
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Listen, speaking as a liberal Democrat, I'll tell you and everyone else right now that John Kasich, if presiding over a split Congress like we have now, would be just fine by me. I disagree with him plenty on some stuff but he is a reasonable and honorable man for the most part and even if he was still a Republican, if it had been him versus Hillary with a split Congress, I could have been persuaded to vote for him, again only if it was a split Congress. The thing is, about that split Congress, guys like McConnell give a split Congress a terrible reputation. Get rid of McConnell and that split Congress could accomplish something.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Their hatred of the media, their inexplicable coddling towards hyperactive masculinity and incel culture, their failure to speak out on racism and terrible events like Charlottesville, their misplaced devotion to monuments, their naive coddling towards Russia which allowed one of their most powerful lobbying groups The NRA to get hijacked by Russian interests, Trump silencing any and all opposition to him inside the party. Need I go on?
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You have before but what you just posted is good enough for now!
 
Bassman said:
So what of Conservatives? Do they not deserve to have a voice?
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ROFLMAO...if they sound like yours, in five years the country will be a one party fascist theocracy.
What kind of "conservative" sounds like you? The kind Barry Goldwater liked to kick straight in the ass.
As a liberal, I had a profound respect for Barry, even though I disagreed with him on several key issues. He was an honorable and decent man who loved his country, all of it, even the liberals (despite disagreeing with them).

You? I've never heard a single constructive thing out of that pie-hole with the broken 12 inch Celestion since I first encountered you here. Every single post you make consists of the same dog whistle and the same knee jerk reactionary blather.
You have no stance except the equivalent of Animal Farm's "Four leg good, two leg veddy ba-a-a-ad."
 
Lutherf said:
Congratulations!

And all it took was another fake news story concocted by the NeverTrump media to blow up in their faces to get you to switch.
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The media doesn’t have to do a single thing. Trump just has to spout the usual lies and garbage and it turns off anyone who doesn’t wear partisan blinders. How about that wall in San Antonio? Did you hear vaccines are linked to autism? Embarrassed for the Trumpcrowd.
 
Bassman said:
But in order to fix the destruction Liberals have caused, we need ALL the levers of government.
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You've HAD basically ALL the levers since 2010 except for the White House and as of 2016 you had that too.
You've screwed it up to the point where even other conservatives think the only solution is to destroy the GOP and start over again. Naturally, you're so hypnotized and addicted to the illusion that you think all of them are now traitors, too.

In the end it will look something like "you" plus 900 other die-hards against the rest of the world, kind of like Jim Jones and the People's Temple. The barrels of Kool-Aid are waiting for you now, drink deeply before reality sets in.
 
Helix said:
my state forces me to register as a member of a Fisher Price My First Political Party in order to have a say in the primaries, which i have to vote in to pick the best anti-Trumpist candidate. i'm not a fan of the policy.
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Yeah, if I had a choice I would not be registering with a party. Had to go Dem to vote Bernie in the primary.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Don't know why. I was never in their camp to begin with so....
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I have been off Debate politics for a long time, I was just asking why would you get criticized for leaving the Republicans to become a Democrat. but I leave the Democrat to become an Independent I get hardly a mention?
You do know a substantial amount of Independent voters left Trump camp and no longer support him..:peace
 
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presluc said:
I have been off Debate politics for a long time, I was just asking why would you get criticized for leaving the Republicans to become a Democrat. but I leave the Democrat to become an Independent I get hardly a mention?
You do know a substantial amount of Independent voters left Trump camp and no longer support him..:peace
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They didn't even like me when I was moderategop. They couldn't fathom such a thing...
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I just officially registered to be a Democrat. Never thought this would happen, but I can no longer stomach the GOPs extreme positions on well just about everything.
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That is the real issue. That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles -- right and wrong -- throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time, and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, 'You work and toil and earn bread, and I'll eat it.' No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle.
--October 15, 1858 Debate at Alton

As long as you realize you stand with tyranny, the kkk, plantation slave masters, and those who have attempted to enslave a nation for generations then you are free to do as you will.
 
Bassman said:
So what of Conservatives? Do they not deserve to have a voice?
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They do have a voice. But it's funny how they have muffled their own voice now that Trump is president. They were very loud when Obama or his Democratic legislature did a hint of anything they considered wrong. Trump and the GOP legislature are much worse than Obama and the Democrats were -- flagrantly doing every bad thing which Conservatives accused Democrats of doing during Obama's tenure -- but now Conservatives can hardly be seen, they're stuck so far up Trump's ass cheeks. Someone needs to go on a rescue mission to make sure they haven't suffocated.
 
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