NSA Whistleblower Backs Trump Up on Wiretap Claims[W:364]

[Fenton]

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He does not have proof. Just another deflection from real problems he is having.

If General Flynn making a call to the Russian Ambassador from Trump Tower and that the transcript of that call being leaked to The Washington Post doesn't prove to you that Trump tower was wiretapped then nothing will. That call would have been wiretapped under a FISA warrant and the leaking of that call and the disclosure of Flynns name was illegal, in violation of the rules placed on Federal investigative agencies to protect the privacy and speech of any American who's part of a wiretapped conversation.

As for Obama ordering it ?? Obama wouldn't directly order the petitioning of a FISA warrant, Obama's DOJ would and Lynch would have had to sign off on that request. No one really believes Obama was left out of the loop either. Accusing any other AG or DOJ of doing something like this would be a real stretch, but this is Obama's DOJ.

Who charged a Journalist as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage act so they could access his Emails and phone records and the phone records of his parents so no, I wouldn't much of anything past Obama's DOJ. Obama's DOJ made it clear that activism was going to be part of their agenda.

 

[tres borrachos]

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I wonder how long Bannon will last- that and that Gorka fellow.

Probably too long, unfortunately. I wonder when decent people like Reince Priebus will decide to remove themselves from this mess and leave idiots like Bannon and Miller whispering in Trump's ear.

 

[vesper]

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I wonder how long Bannon will last- that and that Gorka fellow.

They are not going anytime soon.

Oh and Gen. Kelly was asked today about Trump's accusations about being wiretapped. And you know what Kelly said to reporters? "Maybe he knows a lot more than you do."

 

[year2late]

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I read the article. I'll ask again. What does a man who quit the NSA 16 years ago know about what President Obama supposedly did, 15 years later? What is his evidence that Obama tapped Trump's phones?

Trump was pretty clear in his tweet.:lamo

 

[radioman]

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And you know what Kelly said to reporters? "Maybe he knows a lot more than you do."

Then "maybe" the prez can explain to the public what he "knows".

 

[tres borrachos]

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Trump was pretty clear in his tweet.:lamo

Yup. I've learned something the last few months around here. "If Trump says it, it's so!" is the mantra of the Trump faithful. Jim Jones would be damn envious of that guy's control over his supporters' minds.

 

[humbolt]

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The Russian evidence is already building, as wary GOP lawmakers know heading into the midterms.

trump has ZERO evidence on these CT LIES and ZERO support from federal or state GOPs, which is further infuriating him .

No evidence has been presented to date that Trump had some nefarious Russian connection to influence the election, so no, no evidence is building. The intelligence community has confirmed that no evidence has been found, so again, no evidence is building. The notion that your hold on reality is tenuous is in fact building, though.

 

[tres borrachos]

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No evidence has been presented to date that Trump had some nefarious Russian connection to influence the election, so no, no evidence is building. The intelligence community has confirmed that no evidence has been found, so again, no evidence is building. The notion that your hold on reality is tenuous is in fact building, though.

Not that I worry about connections Trump may have or may not have with Russia, or what impact Russia had on our elections, but when did the investigations end? I thought Congress just started the investigation into Russia's influence on our election in January.

 

[lurchadams]

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What's her name, who went on with Martha Raddatz on Sunday...Sarah Huckabee....kept saying "I'll let his Tweets speak for themselves" right after she said "I don't speak for the President". Uhhh....yes you do. You're his spokesperson.

Whatever he's paying these poor people isn't enough.

I know.. and although Trump's claims that he was tapped where phrased in a finite and factual way, Sanders kept using the phrasing, "if this happened".

Sanders had to laugh at herself at one point because she realized the ridiculous position dear leader had put her in. You almost expected her to put her arms out at one point and say, "ta da, early April fools!".

 

[vesper]

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Probably too long, unfortunately. I wonder when decent people like Reince Priebus will decide to remove themselves from this mess and leave idiots like Bannon and Miller whispering in Trump's ear.

LOL,

Bannon did nothing but praise Reince Priebus. Priebus has done nothing but praise Bannon.
There are still a lot of Obama leftovers even in the White House Staff. But not for long.

One the best things a president can do is have advisers that are opposite in views on different things. It does the president no good to surround himself with yes men.

 

[tres borrachos]

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LOL,

Bannon did nothing but praise Reince Priebus. Priebus has done nothing but praise Bannon.
There are still a lot of Obama leftovers even in the White House Staff. But not for long.

One the best things a president can do is have advisers that are opposite in views on different things. It does the president no good to surround himself with yes men.

What does Bannon praising Priebus have to do with anything? And what does Priebus praising Bannon have to do with anything?

Priebus is a good man. Bannon is trash.

 

[vesper]

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Then "maybe" the prez can explain to the public what he "knows".

He called for an investigation, the Congress has agreed to do so. What more do you want?

 

[year2late]

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Probably too long, unfortunately. I wonder when decent people like Reince Priebus will decide to remove themselves from this mess and leave idiots like Bannon and Miller whispering in Trump's ear.

Perhaps Reince can put them all in a sealed room and play endless loops of "Easy Street".

 

[tres borrachos]

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I know.. and although Trump's claims that he was tapped where phrased in a finite and factual way, Sanders kept using the phrasing, "if this happened".

Sanders had to laugh at herself at one point because she realized the ridiculous position dear leader had put her in. You almost expected her to put her arms out at one point and say, "ta da, early April fools!".

She looked like she wanted to die on there. And when Martha finally had enough and said "If If If If If....!" I almost burst out laughing, but then I realized how sorry I felt for Sarah. Talk about being in a no win situation. And unlike that sniveling punk Miller going out a few weeks ago doubling down on Trump's lie about the 3000 people being bussed into New Hampshire on election day, she looked uncomfortable lying for Trump. Like I said, whatever he's paying her isn't enough.

 

[Linc]

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I wonder how long Bannon will last- that and that Gorka fellow.

Priebus is the one that's in trouble and I put the blame for that on Bannon. I never thought I'd be the one to come to Priebus's defense as a voice of reason and knowing the issues in the WH. Pence/Ryan/McConnell will have to save Priebus. McConnell's been pretty quite, hasn't he?

Bannon doesn't give a **** about GOP lawmakers or issues like health care. All he cares about is creating chaos with issues like bans and walls. trump will remain loyal to Bannon and his circle because he feels they won the election for him. tbh, I doubt if trump knows how he got elected, with reverse coattails in several flipped states and the GOP triumvirate sweep beginning in 2010, followed by 2014, and finally 2016 .

 

[tres borrachos]

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He called for an investigation, the Congress has agreed to do so. What more do you want?

How about him declassifying the "proof" in the next 10 minutes, which is about all he'd need. Why do we need Congress investigating something that he already has proof of?

 

[vesper]

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What does Bannon praising Priebus have to do with anything? And what does Priebus praising Bannon have to do with anything?

Priebus is a good man. Bannon is trash.

Evidently Priebus doesn't think Bannon is trash.

 

[Arjay81]

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Am I allowed to ask what his actual evidence is, or would that be considered an unfair attack?




Based on your post, a guy who quit the NSA 15 years before the relative dates says he thinks Trump is right. The only time we treat that as evidence is when a witness is testifying about things they personally observed (within their personal knowledge) at trial.

How does he know that Obama wiretapped Trump's phones?




If all you're going on is that we know the NSA abused its powers in surveilling Americans under Bush and Obama, that is not evidence that any given instance of surveillance occurred. It provides me with just as much a basis for claiming Trump wiretapped me.

Once again displaying the urge to believe only what you wish to believe. As more facts come out, we shall see the outcome.

 

[humbolt]

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Not that I worry about connections Trump may have or may not have with Russia, or what impact Russia had on our elections, but when did the investigations end? I thought Congress just started the investigation into Russia's influence on our election in January.

You're probably right. I was referring to any Trump involvement. I don't know what the Russians may have done, but I doubt it's anything new or breathtakingly different than previous meddling.

 

[tres borrachos]

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Evidently Priebus doesn't think Bannon is trash.

Yes, because we all know if he didn't like Bannon, he'd run to the press and tell them all. He'd go on the talk shows and say "Bannon is scum". Right?

 

[Arjay81]

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He quit the NSA 16 years ago. How precisely does he know what happened in 2016?

And yet you, and many like you, claim to no for a fact that such an action did not occur.

How precisely do you think that you know this?

 

[Linc]

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He called for an investigation, the Congress has agreed to do so. What more do you want?

How many more times do you think trump will be making up CTs without evidence and calling for congressional investigations to deflect from his own problems?

He was MAD about Flynn and sessions and his speech getting lost in the shuffle. It's that simple.

 

[tres borrachos]

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You're probably right. I was referring to any Trump involvement. I don't know what the Russians may have done, but I doubt it's anything new or breathtakingly different than previous meddling.

My understanding is that the investigations into all things Russia have just begun. I doubt anything will turn up that will hurt Trump. And even the Russians did influence the election, I'm not sure what we would or could do about it anyway.

 

[tres borrachos]

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And yet you, and many like you, claim to no for a fact that such an action did not occur.

How precisely do you think that you know this?

I never claimed any such thing. I asked for proof that Obama committed a felony. I respect that part of the Constitution, you know....burden of proof. Do you have it?

 

[vesper]

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How about him declassifying the "proof" in the next 10 minutes, which is about all he'd need. Why do we need Congress investigating something that he already has proof of?

I am sure he is waiting for his deputy AG to be confirmed before proceeding instead of dealing with the Obama leftover as Sessions has recused himself from anything to do with the Russian extravaganza which this would indeed fall under.