NSA Whistleblower Backs Trump Up on Wiretap Claims[W:364]

[Rogue Valley]

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I know.. and although Trump's claims that he was tapped where phrased in a finite and factual way, Sanders kept using the phrasing, "if this happened".

Sanders had to laugh at herself at one point because she realized the ridiculous position dear leader had put her in. You almost expected her to put her arms out at one point and say, "ta da, early April fools!".

I almost fell out of my LazyBoy laughing at the predicament Sanders was in. Martha Raddatz didn't let up and Sanders was hopelessly lost in the ridiculousness of her own pretzel explanations. Priceless!

 

[Removable Mind]

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Man, you're losin' it....I am officially worried about you...

Everybody should be losing it! Seriously! We have a president who doesn't know what the **** he's doing! He's constitutionally incapable of being honest.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

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"Maybe he knows a lot more than you do."

She did stop short of saying that Trump did know more though, didn't she?


Sean Spicer said that news reports are what make Trump want to look into this... Whatever it is—it may not actually be Obama tapping Trump's phones.

"...there’s no question that something happened. The question is, is it surveillance, is it a wiretap, or whatever. But there’s been enough reporting that strongly suggests that something occurred. And I think that that’s why what he has said yesterday is that he wants Congress to look into this."​

Another WH press secretary let us know that Trump didn't actually mean that Obama had tapped Trump's phones.
We went from, "It happened!" to, "If something like this were to happen, it'd be a big deal."

SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY

All we're saying is let's take a closer look. Let's look into this. If this happened, if this is accurate, this is the biggest overreach and the biggest scandal.

I think that this is, again, something that if this happened, Martha.

[Trump's] going off of information that he's seen that has led him to believe that this is a very real potential. And if it is, this is the greatest overreach and the greatest abuse of power that I think we have ever seen and a huge attack on democracy itself. And the American people have a right to know if this took place.

I think the bigger story isn't who reported it, but is it true? And I think the American people have a right to know if this happened, because if it did, again this is the largest abuse of power that I think we is have ever seen.​

 

[tres borrachos]

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I am sure he is waiting for his deputy AG to be confirmed before proceeding instead of dealing with the Obama leftover as Sessions has recused himself from anything to do with the Russian extravaganza which this would indeed fall under.

So instead of keeping this historic information that a sitting President committed a felony confidential until he could get the right person in the AG's office to investigate it, he decided to go public, and Tweet it. How very Presidential.

 

[Linc]

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Evidently Priebus doesn't think Bannon is trash.

Bannon is stabbing Priebus in the back. That is quite clear from White House aides trashing Priebus.

Priebus should go back to Wisconsin and go back to work for his old boss Gov. Walker and get out of trump's swamp .

 

[vesper]

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Yes, because we all know if he didn't like Bannon, he'd run to the press and tell them all. He'd go on the talk shows and say "Bannon is scum". Right?

I think you are wishfully thinking here. Priebus clear back at the convention had enough delegates present if he would have allowed them to vote their conscience, Trump would not have become the nominee. But he instead blocked every effort for that to happen.

Priebus and Bannon were working together months before the election.

 

[Linc]

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That's certainly a good point Brewdog, but after reading the dump from Wiki Leaks on our CIA's tactics on spying through our cell phones and televisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my god. You think you turn your TV off and yet it is a false off while it is being used to monitor U.S. citizens conversations within their own homes. They can break into your home computer and scan your emails etc. and you would never know it. You could be innocent of all wrong doing yet have your privacy invaded because you may have spoken to someone that happens to be under surveillance.
No one should have that much power. No one.

Since WikiLeaks was trump's best friend during the election according to trump, today's dump was a welcome relief for trump deflectors but won't work now that the next election is in front of us .

 

[humbolt]

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My understanding is that the investigations into all things Russia have just begun. I doubt anything will turn up that will hurt Trump. And even the Russians did influence the election, I'm not sure what we would or could do about it anyway.

I'm pretty certain that given Clapper cleared Trump, there isn't anything worth talking about on that front. Considering the volume of leaks, if there was anything at all, it would've been leaked by now. I have no idea what the investigation hopes to determine. It's a real yawner from my perspective, so investigate away.

 

[tres borrachos]

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I think you are wishfully thinking here. Priebus clear back at the convention had enough delegates present if he would have allowed them to vote their conscience, Trump would not have become the nominee. But he instead blocked every effort for that to happen.

Priebus and Bannon were working together months before the election.

And I work with someone I detest. But as a dutiful employee, I don't make that known in front of customers and our boss.

My wishful thinking is that President Trump shares with us this evidence that the last President committed a crime. President Trump works for us. The American people have a right to know.

 

[tres borrachos]

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I'm pretty certain that given Clapper cleared Trump, there isn't anything worth talking about on that front. Considering the volume of leaks, if there was anything at all, it would've been leaked by now. I have no idea what the investigation hopes to determine. It's a real yawner from my perspective, so investigate away.

I agree. I have little interest in the Russian thing.

 

[Athanasius68]

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And when trump is proven once again to be a liar, this time a libelous liar, Americans will get to know the 25th amendment .

Well, was there an investigation into Donald Trump and/or his election campaign last year by the Obama Admin?
If no, then it pretty much ends the 'Russis and Trump colluded to win the election' argument that has been circulating for the past few months.
If yes, are we really going to think that President Obama was unaware of an investigation into the GOP candidate?

 

[j-mac]

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You can pick up on the dramatic change in tone from one day to the next.

We went from, "It happened!" to, "If something like this were to happen, it'd be a big deal."



SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY

All we're saying is let's take a closer look. Let's look into this. If this happened, if this is accurate, this is the biggest overreach and the biggest scandal.

I think that this is, again, something that if this happened, Martha.

[Trump's] going off of information that he's seen that has led him to believe that this is a very real potential. And if it is, this is the greatest overreach and the greatest abuse of power that I think we have ever seen and a huge attack on democracy itself. And the American people have a right to know if this took place.

I think the bigger story isn't who reported it, but is it true? And I think the American people have a right to know if this happened, because if it did, again this is the largest abuse of power that I think we is have ever seen.​

So, when you said this:

"They said that Trump was taking about a hypothetical situation, not real life."

you were talking about a 'change in tone'? Because it sure looks like you are referencing something tangible....you know, like "They said...."

 

[humbolt]

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I agree. I have little interest in the Russian thing.

Congress just pisses me off. They had 6 years to develop an ACA replacement, and they're still unsure what they're going to do. They've released a possible plan, but I understand they probably don't have the votes to pass it in either the House or the Senate. One could hope for better, but as long as they're in DC and getting paid, they might as well investigate the Russian thing. They don't seem to be doing much elsewhere.

 

[lurchadams]

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She looked like she wanted to die on there. And when Martha finally had enough and said "If If If If If....!" I almost burst out laughing, but then I realized how sorry I felt for Sarah. Talk about being in a no win situation. And unlike that sniveling punk Miller going out a few weeks ago doubling down on Trump's lie about the 3000 people being bussed into New Hampshire on election day, she looked uncomfortable lying for Trump. Like I said, whatever he's paying her isn't enough.

OMG! That Miller is a scary, scary guy! Parents have the remove their children from the room when he's on TV! He shouts down anyone who dares challenge our dear leader.

 

[vesper]

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She did stop short of saying that Trump did know more though, didn't she?


Sean Spicer said that news reports are what make Trump want to look into this... Whatever it is—it may not actually be Obama tapping Trump's phones.

"...there’s no question that something happened. The question is, is it surveillance, is it a wiretap, or whatever. But there’s been enough reporting that strongly suggests that something occurred. And I think that that’s why what he has said yesterday is that he wants Congress to look into this."​

Another WH press secretary let us know that Trump didn't actually mean that Obama had tapped Trump's phones.
We went from, "It happened!" to, "If something like this were to happen, it'd be a big deal."

SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS, DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY

All we're saying is let's take a closer look. Let's look into this. If this happened, if this is accurate, this is the biggest overreach and the biggest scandal.

I think that this is, again, something that if this happened, Martha.

[Trump's] going off of information that he's seen that has led him to believe that this is a very real potential. And if it is, this is the greatest overreach and the greatest abuse of power that I think we have ever seen and a huge attack on democracy itself. And the American people have a right to know if this took place.

I think the bigger story isn't who reported it, but is it true? And I think the American people have a right to know if this happened, because if it did, again this is the largest abuse of power that I think we is have ever seen.​

Trump has been getting daily briefings for sometime. Trump has the power to ask for the records of FISA courts. Trump has his own man in at the CIA, and a few more in the positions of the 16 different intelligence agencies we have but the rest are Obama leftovers including the deputy AG. Sessions recused himself from anything pertaining to "Russia". Trump's pick for deputy AG JUST TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! started his confirmation hearing. By design? you betcha. If you can't figure out the need to have his own deputy AG in place before proceeding then I know of a piece of property where the septic tanks are leaching I could direct you to for a quick sale.

 

[tres borrachos]

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Priebus is the one that's in trouble and I put the blame for that on Bannon. I never thought I'd be the one to come to Priebus's defense as a voice of reason and knowing the issues in the WH. Pence/Ryan/McConnell will have to save Priebus. McConnell's been pretty quite, hasn't he?

Bannon doesn't give a **** about GOP lawmakers or issues like health care. All he cares about is creating chaos with issues like bans and walls. trump will remain loyal to Bannon and his circle because he feels they won the election for him. tbh, I doubt if trump knows how he got elected, with reverse coattails in several flipped states and the GOP triumvirate sweep beginning in 2010, followed by 2014, and finally 2016 .

It's impossible to forget the immortal words of Steve Bannon:

“I’m a Leninist.Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

This is who is whispering in the ear of the President of the United States, and the Trump supporters have absolutely no problem with it. We are doomed.

 

[Athanasius68]

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How many more times do you think trump will be making up CTs without evidence and calling for congressional investigations to deflect from his own problems?

He was MAD about Flynn and sessions and his speech getting lost in the shuffle. It's that simple.

Trumps problems are the result of a n investigation by the Obama Admin.
Nothing has come of it. But that doesnt stop people from making the outrageous claim that Trump worked with the Ruskies to steal the election.
Yet Trump makes the point that Obama is behind that investigation, by ordering his phone to be tapped, and there is outrage over an unsubstantiated charge against Obama.

 

[Linc]

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Evidently Priebus doesn't think Bannon is trash.

Comparing the two men, Priebus is a professional, Bannon not all .

 

[Linc]

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You're probably right. I was referring to any Trump involvement. I don't know what the Russians may have done, but I doubt it's anything new or breathtakingly different than previous meddling.

Why do you defend the Russians when you don't know what they did ?

 

[The Mark]

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He might have connections.

Possible, but we still have no evidence either way.

 

[humbolt]

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Why do you defend the Russians when you don't know what they did ?

Where'd you get "defend" out of what I posted? You aren't making **** up again, are you? Next you're gonna call me a liar. I've been through this little dance with you before. You do have my permission to go after the Russians personally with your rubber knife, though.

 

[JANFU]

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If General Flynn making a call to the Russian Ambassador from Trump Tower and that the transcript of that call being leaked to The Washington Post doesn't prove to you that Trump tower was wiretapped then nothing will. That call would have been wiretapped under a FISA warrant and the leaking of that call and the disclosure of Flynns name was illegal, in violation of the rules placed on Federal investigative agencies to protect the privacy and speech of any American who's part of a wiretapped conversation.

As for Obama ordering it ?? Obama wouldn't directly order the petitioning of a FISA warrant, Obama's DOJ would and Lynch would have had to sign off on that request. No one really believes Obama was left out of the loop either. Accusing any other AG or DOJ of doing something like this would be a real stretch, but this is Obama's DOJ.

Who charged a Journalist as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage act so they could access his Emails and phone records and the phone records of his parents so no, I wouldn't much of anything past Obama's DOJ. Obama's DOJ made it clear that activism was going to be part of their agenda.

You have no idea of what was discussed. Thus flushing the rest of your points

 

[Linc]

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Congress just pisses me off. They had 6 years to develop an ACA replacement, and they're still unsure what they're going to do. They've released a possible plan, but I understand they probably don't have the votes to pass it in either the House or the Senate. One could hope for better, but as long as they're in DC and getting paid, they might as well investigate the Russian thing. They don't seem to be doing much elsewhere.

The GOP being hopelessly divided over ACA the last 6+ years couldn't happen to a more deserving party and is now front and center to all Americans who can no longer live in denial .

 

[Linc]

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OMG! That Miller is a scary, scary guy! Parents have the remove their children from the room when he's on TV! He shouts down anyone who dares challenge our dear leader.

Carter Page is just as scary as Stephen Miller .

 

[JANFU]

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Evidently Priebus doesn't think Bannon is trash.

You think all this hugging and such is a that Priebus likes Bannon. Quite a stretch