'Not only is impeachment dead on arrival, there's a risk that the Senate doesn't even take it up,' M

[W_Heisenberg]

Really? where is the proof of the phone call to the President before the decision was made and why is this even an issue for you?

It's in Sondland and Taylor's testimony.

You haven't read it has you?

When was the last time you read anything? Like a book or a magazine?

The U.S. Constitution has been spit on and trampled on for decades by the left.

I don't agree with this statement.

Do you think the U.S. President is above the law and immune from criminal investigations? Do you think this is a principle our founding fathers endorsed? That's the argument Trump's lawyers made in court repeatedly over the past few weeks.

You are motivated only by hatred and desire to divert from the intellectually dishonesty of today's Democratic Party that offers the public nothing but career politicians who tell you what you want to hear and then abuse power

First of all, I am a former Republican, and a big part of why I left the Republican Party is that I believe many of its members are now motivated by racism and ethnocentrism, rather than a commitment to conservative political ideology,

I am motivated by the love of our Republic's founding principles and values. I believe in the political ideology espoused by the founding fathers. I do not believe in using authoritarian methods espoused by Trump supporters. I do not believe Democrats are the "enemy". I think you need to get a grip and stop hating Democrats.

 

[prometeus]

Then tell me exactly what Trump has done that has done harm to you or your family?

Only real Trump asskissing morons can have suh an idiotic perspective. The nation and our allies have been hurt by the asshole in the WH. Every such instance hurts all of us, even if some people are way too stupid to grasp such things.

[The President of the United States didn't lie under oath like Clinton[/quote]Yes, that is true as it is also true that he simply was not willing to testify, blaming perjust entrapment idiocy. Honest people never have to worry about perjury.

 

[element94]

I've come to the conclusion that those that go on defending Trump, despite the evidence of his self interest treachery against the United States especially today's testimony, are racists that are counting on legal (or worse) ethnic cleansing, and have reached the point of desperation because of this evidence against him. They are so desperate to be saved from the "brown horde" that they are willing to abandon all reason, and adherence to law to see it through.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yes, you are indeed leftist radicals who cannot win on the issues thus you have to try and remove a sitting President by making up trumped up charges that carry no weight or are basically irrelevant to the American public. There is quite a difference between the charges against Trump and the Charges against Bill Clinton, did you support the impeachment effort against Clinton, LYING UNDER OATH??

I wish you would at least find a different term; it's nice to mix things up every so often. Nope, didn't support Clinton lying under oath either; I thought it was a stupid thing to do. Admitting to it and apologizing to his wife seemed like the smarter thing to do because when you tell one lie, you end up telling countless more. As for Trump, I do support investigating the complaint that was brought forward and determining any wrong doing based on the merits of the testimony and evidence. Your claim that the charges "carry no weight or are basically irrelevant" will be up to the American people to decide. Ignoring potential malfeasance because the general public care or doesn't is piss poor governance.

 

[Conservative]

The founders were slave owning rapists who had poopy buttholes.

Not even worthy of a response

 

[Conservative]

It's in Sondland and Taylor's testimony.

You haven't read it has you?

When was the last time you read anything? Like a book or a magazine?



I don't agree with this statement.

Do you think the U.S. President is above the law and immune from criminal investigations? Do you think this is a principle our founding fathers endorsed? That's the argument Trump's lawyers made in court repeatedly over the past few weeks.



First of all, I am a former Republican, and a big part of why I left the Republican Party is that I believe many of its members are now motivated by racism and ethnocentrism, rather than a commitment to conservative political ideology,

I am motivated by the love of our Republic's founding principles and values. I believe in the political ideology espoused by the founding fathers. I do not believe in using authoritarian methods espoused by Trump supporters. I do not believe Democrats are the "enemy". I think you need to get a grip and stop hating Democrats.

It is second hand knowledge and information and is of no interest to me or most in the country today. Biden has enough baggage and Ukraine won't impact his record. You love a big gov't and a President that you can like not one who gets the job done. I don't like Trump, have never liked Trump but voted for him to generate the results we have today and will vote for him again against the Democratic Socialist running for office who do nothing but promote hate, class envy, jealousy, and promote class warfare

You buy opinions and what you are told totally ignoring reality and the actual results. How did Ukraine impact you and your family?

 

[Conservative]

I wish you would at least find a different term; it's nice to mix things up every so often. Nope, didn't support Clinton lying under oath either; I thought it was a stupid thing to do. Admitting to it and apologizing to his wife seemed like the smarter thing to do because when you tell one lie, you end up telling countless more. As for Trump, I do support investigating the complaint that was brought forward and determining any wrong doing based on the merits of the testimony and evidence. Your claim that the charges "carry no weight or are basically irrelevant" will be up to the American people to decide. Ignoring potential malfeasance because the general public care or doesn't is piss poor governance.

What purpose does it serve now with an election next November. There is nothing in the official transcript that supports impeachment but you want to buy the testimony of someone else based upon second hand information.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Wow, such hatred over a person who has absolutely done nothing to hurt you, your family or the country. What is wrong with you? Our Founders created the Electoral College! Our Founders created THREE EQUAL BRANCHES of gov't! Our Founders created a small Central Gov't! Your party is a disaster and is the one trying to destroy my country!

First, its not your country...it's OUR country.

Second, I can only speak for myself, but I can say that Trump's policies has hurt the care for the veterans in my family (he has tried repeatedly to cut funding for programs they use for their care). His trade war with China has decimated the farms in Iowa on my father's side of the family. I have not seen an increase in my paycheck that wasn't wiped out by the lack of with holdings I used to have at tax time. When I was looking for a job two years ago, it took me a year because the only things available were temporary or part-time jobs (thankfully I was still employed by a business that was eroding my benefits to make the bottom line). And I beginning to think that I may have to purchase a firearm for self-protection (no, I am not anti-firearms)...not against crime or terrorists...but to protect myself from Trump supporters who are getting violent each and every day. There were things Obama did (or didn't) do that I wasn't fond of...but I didn't have to go through this crap.

And don't forget that Trump was against the Electoral College before it gave him victory over the popular vote which he lost. Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."

 

[CMPancake]

Not even worthy of a response

And yet you responded.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

It is second hand knowledge and information and is of no interest to me or most in the country today.

Sondland's testimony isn't second-hand, it's first-hand. The call transcript itself is direct evidence.

Biden has enough baggage and Ukraine won't impact his record.

This may or may not be true, but it doesn't matter as it relates to Trump's solicitation of a bribe from Zelenskyy, and extortion of Ukraine, and the fact the sum total of which constitutes an abuse of his office and a violation of his oath of office,

Duty, honor, country, do those things not mean anything to Trump supporters anymore?

You love a big gov't and a President that you can like not one who gets the job done. I don't like Trump, have never liked Trump but voted for him to generate the results we have today and will vote for him again against the Democratic Socialist running for office who do nothing but promote hate, class envy, jealousy, and promote class warfare

So, here's the deal, if you are willing to trash the Constitution to destroy the Democrats you are not a conservative, you are a fascist.

You buy opinions and what you are told totally ignoring reality and the actual results. How did Ukraine impact you and your family?

It is my opinion that the rules-based international order that our ancestors built after WWII has lead to the most prosperous, peaceful period of time in human history.

It is in the best long-term interests of our Republic, and our society in general, for the rest of the world to adopt our systems of governments, the rule of law, and most, if not all elements of modern, liberal democracies (liberal in the classical sense). One of the most important aspects of our society is the ability to resolve our disputes without physical violence, using logical, rationality, reason and premised on the idea that every single human being has the same individual rights.

It is, for this reason, we must check Russian aggression against Ukraine, an emerging liberal democracy, whose people wants to join the Western world.

Trump's actions hurt the Rule of Law in the U.S. and in Ukraine.

Trump's actions, to abuse the power of the office of the President, directly hurts ALL American citizens.

The ability for our society to resolve and mitigate disputes depends on public officials performing their duties to advance the interests of our society, not personal political interests.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Then tell me exactly what Trump has done that has done harm to you or your family? The President of the United States didn't lie under oath like Clinton and the actual results generated show he has benefited the American people. You want an American Idol President that you can like, I want one that gives us the results that Trump has generated. Yes I have read the transcript and nothing in that transcript warrants the actions being taken by radicals

The results you want Trump to achieve must be done within the confines of the system the Founding Fathers created.

So if Trump is trying to achieve these political goals by violating the Constitution and abusing the office of the President he must be removed.

Results are not as important as the Constitution, the process, our Institutions.

You are displaying an authoritarian sort of view on how government should work that is completely at odds with traditional, conservative American political philosophy.

You are not a conservative.

You are either not aware or do not care that the President took an oath to the U.S. Constitution, not himself, and not to your political goals.

This is the oath Trump took:



The Oath of Office: I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Article II, Section One, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution

 

[iguanaman]

Wow, such hatred over a person who has absolutely done nothing to hurt you, your family or the country. What is wrong with you? Our Founders created the Electoral College! Our Founders created THREE EQUAL BRANCHES of gov't! Our Founders created a small Central Gov't! Your party is a disaster and is the one trying to destroy my country!

When our nations national security is threatened it hurts us all. Trump's shakedown of Ukraine was a serious breach of our national security interests in a place in the world where it is the most damaging. Ukraine has Russian troops within its borders and Trump is withholding military aid for his own benefit. Think about that for a minute.

 

[iguanaman]

Haven't seen any facts only opinions and the hate filled radical liberals who lost the 2016 election and cannot believe Americans would boot them out of office. I suggest you read the Constitution because obviously you haven't, putting America first really bothers you as you still want someone you can like and not someone who gets the results Trump has generated. You really think the American people want Trump removed from office through Impeachment? My country is America, yours, not sure!

You ever going to provide concrete proof of your allegations? Results matter not opinions

I have arranged a nationally televised answer to your question. I hope you are watching. :lol:

 

[iguanaman]

Said like a true swamp dweller.

We saw how real incompetence and corruption was handled when the whole of the government protected Hillary Clinton. Trump is a reminder that the people still have a voice, so naturally, the will of the people has to go. If he didn't do anything, invent something.

You do know it is seditious to question the integrity of our institutions without evidence. It is something I would expect from GRU trolls.

 

[MTAtech]

Said like a true swamp dweller.

We saw how real incompetence and corruption was handled when the whole of the government protected Hillary Clinton. Trump is a reminder that the people still have a voice, so naturally, the will of the people has to go. If he didn't do anything, invent something.

Before you pontificate that Trump had a popular mandate, remember that millions more voted for H. Clinton.

"The People" are not the members of the electoral college.

 

[rocket88]

Yes, you are indeed leftist radicals who cannot win on the issues thus you have to try and remove a sitting President by making up trumped up charges that carry no weight or are basically irrelevant to the American public. There is quite a difference between the charges against Trump and the Charges against Bill Clinton, did you support the impeachment effort against Clinton, LYING UNDER OATH??

Stop trying to make it about Bill Clinton. Despite your desperation to change the subject, the question is do you have a problem with what Trump did. The answer is no because you will never have a problem with what he does.

 

[Moderate Right]

Fun to watch someone so desperate they'd be compelled to lie about Schiff playing 'partisan games'.

Oh please. It doesn't get much more partisan than Schiff.

 

[Conservative]

Sondland's testimony isn't second-hand, it's first-hand. The call transcript itself is direct evidence.



This may or may not be true, but it doesn't matter as it relates to Trump's solicitation of a bribe from Zelenskyy, and extortion of Ukraine, and the fact the sum total of which constitutes an abuse of his office and a violation of his oath of office,

Duty, honor, country, do those things not mean anything to Trump supporters anymore?



So, here's the deal, if you are willing to trash the Constitution to destroy the Democrats you are not a conservative, you are a fascist.



It is my opinion that the rules-based international order that our ancestors built after WWII has lead to the most prosperous, peaceful period of time in human history.

It is in the best long-term interests of our Republic, and our society in general, for the rest of the world to adopt our systems of governments, the rule of law, and most, if not all elements of modern, liberal democracies (liberal in the classical sense). One of the most important aspects of our society is the ability to resolve our disputes without physical violence, using logical, rationality, reason and premised on the idea that every single human being has the same individual rights.

It is, for this reason, we must check Russian aggression against Ukraine, an emerging liberal democracy, whose people wants to join the Western world.

Trump's actions hurt the Rule of Law in the U.S. and in Ukraine.

Trump's actions, to abuse the power of the office of the President, directly hurts ALL American citizens.

The ability for our society to resolve and mitigate disputes depends on public officials performing their duties to advance the interests of our society, not personal political interests.

LOL, just goes to show what advertising and 24/7 Trump bashing will create, someone who buys what they tell you simply out of hatred for Trump. Have you given any consideration to the reality that Trump isn't your problem, you are?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Oh please. It doesn't get much more partisan than Schiff.

I understand some people need to whisper that incessantly to themselves like it's a self-defense mantra, but it won't change the reality that he's simply not playing 'partisan games'.

 

[Conservative]

The results you want Trump to achieve must be done within the confines of the system the Founding Fathers created.

So if Trump is trying to achieve these political goals by violating the Constitution and abusing the office of the President he must be removed.

Results are not as important as the Constitution, the process, our Institutions.

You are displaying an authoritarian sort of view on how government should work that is completely at odds with traditional, conservative American political philosophy.

You are not a conservative.

You are either not aware or do not care that the President took an oath to the U.S. Constitution, not himself, and not to your political goals.

This is the oath Trump took:



The Oath of Office: I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Article II, Section One, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution

Thank you so now tell me how he violated his oath and where are the charges and proof? For someone who apparently supported the Clinton's you show a double standard. Ukraine got the support from the U.S. and Trump is doing his job as Commander in Chief. You and the radical left need to stop the Trump bashing and find out what is actually happening in the country. The results are staggering and warrant re-election. Ukraine is a non issue

 

[Conservative]

When our nations national security is threatened it hurts us all. Trump's shakedown of Ukraine was a serious breach of our national security interests in a place in the world where it is the most damaging. Ukraine has Russian troops within its borders and Trump is withholding military aid for his own benefit. Think about that for a minute.

So are we safer today than we were three years ago? You still haven't answered the question, where was the leader of ISIS killed? Trump hasn't withheld the aid so stop buying what the left tells you. Just another liberal anti Trump thread. We have an election in November, vote him out of office and return to that liberal utopia that Obama gave us

 

[Conservative]

I have arranged a nationally televised answer to your question. I hope you are watching. :lol:

I have no interest in this witch hunt nor do the American people, only the radical zealots who want to overturn the 2016 election results within a year of the next election

 

[Nalu]

You are truly a legend in your own mind, totally void of data and facts, fueled only by your personal opinions and hatred of Trump. My hobby is making people like you look foolish by pointing out what really is important, national security and economic fact data

I hate Trump? And I belong to the nonexistent party that you mentioned?

You need a new hobby. Try tic-tac-toe. Seems more your speed.

 

[Conservative]

Stop trying to make it about Bill Clinton. Despite your desperation to change the subject, the question is do you have a problem with what Trump did. The answer is no because you will never have a problem with what he does.

It is about impeachment and high crimes and misdemeanors, lying under oath meets that definition, not national security issues like Ukraine as you really have no understanding of this issue and simply buy what you are being told. We have an election in one year, vote Trump out of office and return to that liberal utopia Obama gave us

 

[Moderate Right]

I understand some people need to whisper that incessantly to themselves like it's a self-defense mantra, but it won't change the reality that he's simply not playing 'partisan games'.

Hey, I know the right plays partisan games. I also know the left plays partisan games. To deny it means you are so partisan you can't even see it.