Nfl 2019

[Bucky]

Very few people do well when going to the Raiders. Lately its the place to go watch your career fade away.


Sort of like joining the Lakers.

He accepted the Raiders trade and declined to get traded to the Bills.... even though the bills had a better offer.

That means something.

 

[VanceMack]

I just cannot understand what Jon Gruden is doing with the Raiders.

Elite pass rush is arguably the #2 most important position on the team. Traded away a sure thing (Khalil Mack) for lottery tickets.

Elite #1 WR is among the top 5 most important positions on the team. Traded away a sure thing (Amari Cooper) for lottery tickets.

Now they pick up a >30 y/o WR for $16MM? That's about $3MM MORE than what the Cowboys are paying for Cooper!

I get trying to load up on draft picks, but what's the point of draft picks if not to acquire great talent? So why trade away great talent you already have, in exchange for the hope of getting great talent from the draft? It just boggles my mind trying to make sense of this.

Cooper wasnt exactly tearing it up in Oakland.

You have to consider what exactly Gruden is trying to accomplish. Is unlikely that they retool the team in 2 years to become contenders, so he is making moves to put them in cntentin in 3-4 years. If his moves dont pan out...it will all be...well...business as usual for the Raiders. They sucked before. They may suck after.

I really dont know why people have such a hard time with the Mack deal. He held out for all of preseason and wanted max money to sign. He would literally have blocked the potential to hire quality free agents on a team that has too many holes. Had they kept him, their defense would have still sucked, their offense would have still sucked, and while he may have built up decent personal stats the team itself wasnt going anywhere. And while I'm not knocking Mack, he was...what...12th in the league in sacks? 39th in the league in combined sacks and tackles? Sure...you can say thats because he was double teamed on a decent Bears defense...but how would that have played out on a Raiders team where he was their primary defensive weapon?

 

[Bucky]

We also have to remember Jon Gruden is a type of coach that can work with AB. Gruden has worked with stars in the past - Jerry Rice, Timmy Brown, etc...

Mike Tomlin has clearly proven he is more of a cheerleader.

 

[Binary_Digit]

A few points;

Amari Cooper isn't an elite #1 WR. He can't hold a candle to Antonio Brown.

Amari Cooper career numbers:

278 receptions
3,098 yards
25 tds

Antonio Brown:

837 receptions
11,207 yards
74 tds

Saying the Raiders made a mistake for trading away a sure thing to get lesser value is like saying the 49'ers traded away a sure thing in Brian Hoyer to get lesser value in Jimmy G.

Comparing career numbers is nonsense. AB is 30 y/o and has played in the league 5 years longer than AC who is only 25. By that reasoning, Sam Bradford is a better QB than Baker Mayfield. O_O

Also, the Raiders got a late first round pick for Amari Cooper.

The Raiders traded away a 3rd and 5th round pick for Brown.

Brown > Cooper. It is not even close from a football perspective. If you want to talk about being a good teammate, that is an entirely different subject.

If we just compare draft capital value, Jimmy Johnson says that Cooper was about 6 times more valuable than Brown.

Cooper wasnt exactly tearing it up in Oakland.

You have to consider what exactly Gruden is trying to accomplish. Is unlikely that they retool the team in 2 years to become contenders, so he is making moves to put them in cntentin in 3-4 years. If his moves dont pan out...it will all be...well...business as usual for the Raiders. They sucked before. They may suck after.

I really dont know why people have such a hard time with the Mack deal. He held out for all of preseason and wanted max money to sign. He would literally have blocked the potential to hire quality free agents on a team that has too many holes. Had they kept him, their defense would have still sucked, their offense would have still sucked, and while he may have built up decent personal stats the team itself wasnt going anywhere. And while I'm not knocking Mack, he was...what...12th in the league in sacks? 39th in the league in combined sacks and tackles? Sure...you can say thats because he was double teamed on a decent Bears defense...but how would that have played out on a Raiders team where he was their primary defensive weapon?

That's a good point about Mack's holdout. Maybe the Raiders didn't have much of a choice there. On the side, I honestly think an oft-overlooked value of a great pass rusher is eating up double-teams so that other guys can shine. Just because he didn't personally take down the QB doesn't mean he wasn't critical in making it happen.

 

[VanceMack]

Comparing career numbers is nonsense. AB is 30 y/o and has played in the league 5 years longer than AC who is only 25. By that reasoning, Sam Bradford is a better QB than Baker Mayfield. O_O


If we just compare draft capital value, Jimmy Johnson says that Cooper was about 6 times more valuable than Brown.


That's a good point about Mack's holdout. Maybe the Raiders didn't have much of a choice there. On the side, I honestly think an oft-overlooked value of a great pass rusher is eating up double-teams so that other guys can shine. Just because he didn't personally take down the QB doesn't mean he wasn't critical in making it happen.

The double team works when you have a solid threat to work with. I dont think Mack had that in Oakland. I think had they kept him he would have just been the big fish in a little pond.

 

[Bucky]

If we just compare draft capital value, Jimmy Johnson says that Cooper was about 6 times more valuable than Brown.

AB is a top 3 WR in the NFL. Amari Cooper is not even a top-10 WR in the NFL.

Cooper's contract runs out next year. I would not be comfortable paying him top 10 money when he hasn't produced consistently.

 

[calamity]

AB is a top 3 WR in the NFL. Amari Cooper is not even a top-10 WR in the NFL.

Cooper's contract runs out next year. I would not be comfortable paying him top 10 money when he hasn't produced consistently.

He's the #1 Receiver. And, per my understanding, it's not even close. It's AB and everyone else, right now.

 

[Bucky]

Just to tell you to how stupid the Steelers are, 10% of their cap space is going towards a player that is on another team that is competing with them in the playoffs: The Raiders!

Last year the Steelers traded their #3 WR Martavias Bryant to the Raiders for a 3rd round pick..... apparently, AB is only worth a 5th round pick more... pathetic.

 

[Bucky]

I just cannot understand what Jon Gruden is doing with the Raiders.

Actually, I may have to agree with you after they made Trent Brown the highest paid OL in the league.

The Giants were stupid last year making Nate Solder the highest paid OL giving him a four-year, $62 million deal. Clearly not an elite level tackle.

The Raiders gave Brown four-years $66 million. He's an average pass protector at best. If he stayed with the 49'ers he would probably be looking closer to the minimum!

I guess that tells you why the Giants and Raiders continually miss the playoffs and the Patriots always clinch the players by week 13-14.

If the Giants and Raiders were stock brokers, they would be fired.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Let's just remember this fact: Le'Veon Bell chose to give up his paycheck to NOT play with the Steelers. Antonio Brown was willing to sit out and forfeit his money to NOT play with the Steelers.

Big Ben is a player on the decline who thew a rapid number of int's last year. Given his age and his lack of weapons, he has 1 foot already into retirement.

Wrong - Le'Veon Bell chose to sit out because the Steelers refused to pay him the guaranteed money he wanted, not because he didn't want to play for the Steelers - the Steelers refused to pony up obscene guaranteed monies for a player who almost every year was injured, or suspended, often at critical times in the season.

Brown came to play the last game of the season and the team told him to park it because he didn't put in the time and work the rest of the team did leading up to that game. Tomlin and the team finally had enough of his self centered act, missing or late for practices and meetings, dogging it when there, etc. Speaks volumes to me that the team was willing to take on wasted cap space just to get rid of him.

You like to claim the Steelers and Roethlisberger have one foot in the grave and forget that they lost a total of 6 games last year, 4 by 3 points, and none by more than 8, all without Bell and with a kicking team that had a terrible year. And Roethlisberger actually had one of his best years last year, even with the team's other issues.

We'll see what happens going forward.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Still should have got more for him.

Apparently 30 NFL GMs disagree with your assessment of his overall value.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Just to tell you to how stupid the Steelers are, 10% of their cap space is going towards a player that is on another team that is competing with them in the playoffs: The Raiders!

Last year the Steelers traded their #3 WR Martavias Bryant to the Raiders for a 3rd round pick..... apparently, AB is only worth a 5th round pick more... pathetic.

Steelers drafted Brown in the 6th round in his draft year - the brilliant Belichick missed him. Steelers have a long history of scoring steals in the draft and building a strong team on home grown talent. No reason to assume they won't make great use of the 3rd and 5th rounders they got from the Raiders.

 

[Higgins86]

Apparently 30 NFL GMs disagree with your assessment of his overall value.

Patriots reportedly offered more...

Not getting a first rounder for a top 5 WR is criminal. The raiders pulled down your pants and gave you a spanking

 

[Bucky]

Apparently 30 NFL GMs disagree with your assessment of his overall value.

The bills offered a higher pick. The Patriots probably offered more as well but the steelers blacklisted them

 

[Bucky]

Patriots reportedly offered more...

Not getting a first rounder for a top 5 WR is criminal. The raiders pulled down your pants and gave you a spanking

Steelers wouldnt trade ab to the patriots even if they offered them two 1's

The steelers are under the assumption they are the patriots rival.

Hard to see how a nail is a rival to a hammer.

 

[Bucky]

The Lions are nuts. They just signed a bunch of free agents and gave them big money.

And this organization is being run by a former Patriots guy? He certainly didn't learn that here.

 

[CanadaJohn]

The bills offered a higher pick. The Patriots probably offered more as well but the steelers blacklisted them

From what I know of the Rooney's integrity and class, pretty sure the Cheatriots are the last group they'd ever want to be associated with in any way.

 

[Port & Starboard]

From what I know of the Rooney's integrity and class, pretty sure the Cheatriots are the last group they'd ever want to be associated with in any way.

His QB settled out of court for sexually assaulting a woman in a bar.

Yeah..... Rooney has real class.

Hey kids.................if you make lots of money, it's ok to assault women!

 

[PoS]

The Lions are nuts. They just signed a bunch of free agents and gave them big money.

And this organization is being run by a former Patriots guy? He certainly didn't learn that here.

Thats the way the Pats are run too- they just engage in more criminality than their ex-coaches do...

 

[Bucky]

Thats the way the Pats are run too- they just engage in more criminality than their ex-coaches do...

LOL!

I figured it out.

PoS, CanadaJon and others.... you are so traumatized from watching the Patriots win, after win you suffer from PTSD: Patriots-traumatic stress disorder

It must be some sort of coping mechanism to make out the class franchise of the NFL as some sort of team run by mobsters.

It must suck? The Patriots can sign the Bears trash (Kevin White WR) and he could become a decent WR here.

 

[Jack Hays]

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[Higgins86]

Nick Foles got paid! Be interesting to see how that plays out lol.

 

[calamity]

Nick Foles got paid! Be interesting to see how that plays out lol.

Hopefully better than Alex Smith

 

[jmotivator]

Nick Foles got paid! Be interesting to see how that plays out lol.

Has it ever paid off? I've racking my brain to think of a single big budget QB acquisition that changed a franchise.

Can anyone think of a single QB (heck, a player from any position) who signed with another team for huge money and it turned out to be worth the investment?

I mean, for QBs it can almost be argued that it really doesn't matter whether they end up on the same team or not, they hurt the team they land on, with Tom Brady being the only exception.

Granted, that statistic might be skewed by the fact that Brady has won a third of all the Super Bowls from the last 18 years.

 

[Rexedgar]

Hopefully better than Alex Smith

Worked out ok for Alex, if you overlook the two broken bones and surgery and PT and rehab; well maybe not so much.......