Nearly Half Of The US Homeless Live In California

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Have conservatives solved the homeless problem in their states?

It used to be an easy solution back when most of the homeless were just plain old bums, drunks, druggies and hobos.
You just threw them in jail for a while.

Now that the middle class is being clear cut, and most of the lower middle class factory jobs have been disappearing, people who used to be able to just go get some "Joe Six Pack" factory job can't find work anymore, and the ranks of the homeless swelling to include a lot of minimum wage working people who compete at downtown "day labor" outfits to scrape by as well as they can. There isn't enough room in the jails anymore.

But Rethuglicans lump them all in as bums anyway, just as they lump refugees in with border jumpers.
Rethuglicans like simple sound bite explanations and simple sound bite solutions.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You know what I love about you, Linc? At least half of the time I run into your posts, I see you proposing actual solutions to problems where everyone else is merely arguing over who's responsible for the problem in the first place.

Thank you for taking the time to try and educate our sorry partisan asses.

Ditto, good on you, Linc, and thank you Jesse for pointing that out.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

That is a well known thing, busing homeless out to Cali...and surprisingly, New York is one of the biggest offenders, not some red state, although plenty of red states DO it as well. New York just does it more.

And Mod Right has seen the information, he just finds it inconvenient. Never mind that it doesn't even make a lick of sense, because liberals actually want as many taxpayers as they can get, not "as many poor people as they can get".
More taxpayers would result in more services, more benefits.

Like I said, it is information he has seen, but it conflicts with his troll-bait threads.

Calgary ( a city of 1.2 million) has two large homeless shelters, that provide support and work with the homeless to try to get them off the streets. During cold snaps the city opens up some surplus buildings that then are used for emergency shelters.


It is also using two former hotels as places for the homeless that are ready/able to transition from being homeless to becoming stable, and long term employable. One has been renovated into suites, that are rented out at low cost to the homeless who have jobs but still need assistance in the transition. In 2016 the homeless population in Calgary was around 3000, if one was to extrapolate that into a ratio with LA, it would probably be equal to 27 000.

 

[Cardinal]

Nearly half of the U.S.’s homeless people live in one state: California - MarketWatch


I'm finally beginning to see the liberal light. I now understand that this is what liberals want - non workers mooching off of the federal government, living in a generational cycle of poverty where they can't even afford housing of any kind. And, open the borders to more illegals so they can join the crowd. If liberals wanted to fix the problem they could fix it at the state level but they won't because this is the way they want it and then blame it on the feds and on Trump and the Republicans.

You should check to see what your house is made of before you start throwing rocks. California pays the most in Federal taxes, and your good state of Kentucky is the fourth neediest state in the country, receiving 40.9% of state revenue as Federal assistance.

So have fun finding things to dump on California for, but that state is primary reason why your state is able to function.

Which States Pay the Most Federal Taxes?
Which States Rely the Most on Federal Aid? | Tax Foundation

Oh, and Kentucky is 11th for most firearm-related deaths, while California is nearly at the bottom of the list at 42nd.

Firearm death rates in the United States by state - Wikipedia

Fix your state!

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The REAL REASON Trump is visiting California?
He's trying to figure out how he can make things worse, so that, in his mind, they get bad enough that people will begin to believe explanations like Damn Yankee and Moderate Right (who are just copying Trump for the most part) and vote for him.

His "solution" will resemble his solutions for Central America:

Cut off more federal help and funding, make it worse, find a way to profit from it for his buddies.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You should check to see what your house is made of before you start throwing rocks. California pays the most in Federal taxes, and your good state of Kentucky is the fourth neediest state in the country, receiving 40.9% of state revenue as Federal assistance.

So have fun finding things to dump on California for, but that state is primary reason why your state is able to function.

For the last decade I've been begging blue donor states to respond to this in ways that will hit these jerks where they live.
They're not interested in helping, they're interested in blaming, and when they can't find a convenient explanation, they invent one.

Hit em in the pocketbook and they'll become a lot more interested in finding actual solutions.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Leftists are in the process of fashioning Kalifornia into a socialistic paradise. Can't you tell?

This is what socialism is. You have the elites, and skid row. The middle class are fleeing the state, or being taxed into poverty.

No, that is a function of very high property values. Housing is very expensive in California, especially on the coast. To get staff to work in the cities, they have to be paid enough to live in the area. To get paid enough to live in the area requires money, which comes from taxes. That of course means tax rates have to be high as well. When the Median house cost in San Jose is just under $1 million, wages need to be high to afford that

 

[Drawdown]

Nearly half of the U.S.’s homeless people live in one state: California - MarketWatch


I'm finally beginning to see the liberal light. I now understand that this is what liberals want - non workers mooching off of the federal government, living in a generational cycle of poverty where they can't even afford housing of any kind. And, open the borders to more illegals so they can join the crowd. If liberals wanted to fix the problem they could fix it at the state level but they won't because this is the way they want it and then blame it on the feds and on Trump and the Republicans.

Except California inflates its homeless numbers beyond what people normally would consider "homeless" by using a broader definition. They certainly have a huge problem, but I doubt it is really half in terms of common usage of the term. For instance a veteran living with friends or relatives while waiting for their disability come through would be homeless under their measure but not necessarily in the way I would consider them to be.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Except California inflates its homeless numbers beyond what people normally would consider "homeless" by using a broader definition. They certainly have a huge problem, but I doubt it is really half in terms of common usage of the term. For instance a veteran living with friends or relatives while waiting for their disability come through would be homeless under their measure but not necessarily in the way I would consider them to be.

That would depend, is he moving from one friends/family members house on a regular basis, or staying there for a long time (like a few months), also how long has he/she been doing it?

HUD uses the following

Categories of homeless include experiences of those who:

Are trading sex for housing
Are staying with friends, but cannot stay there for longer than 14 days
Are being trafficked
Left home because of physical, emotional, or financial abuse or threats of abuse and have no safe, alternative housing

HUD's Definition of Homelessness: Resources and Guidance - HUD Exchange

 

[Moot]

The REAL REASON Trump is visiting California?
He's trying to figure out how he can make things worse, so that, in his mind, they get bad enough that people will begin to believe explanations like Damn Yankee and Moderate Right (who are just copying Trump for the most part) and vote for him.

His "solution" will resemble his solutions for Central America:

Cut off more federal help and funding, make it worse, find a way to profit from it for his buddies.

He's also coming for the donations. I heard he earned over $7 million in CA during the last election. Apparently, someone in CA must like him.

 

[3leftsdoo]

California's inevitable secession/partition will certainly impact homeless migration.

But the problem's going nowhere but growing.

 

[Drawdown]

That would depend, is he moving from one friends/family members house on a regular basis, or staying there for a long time (like a few months), also how long has he/she been doing it?

HUD uses the following
HUD's Definition of Homelessness: Resources and Guidance - HUD Exchange

Those are categories not their overarching definition. The 4 are more fully defined as (I highlighted the one that captures a lot of disabled vets as mentioned before):

People who are living in a place not meant for human habitation, in emergency shelter, in transitional housing, or are exiting an institution where they temporarily resided. The only significant change from existing practice is that people will be considered homeless if they are exiting an institution where they resided for up to 90 days (it was previously 30 days), and were in shelter or a place not meant for human habitation immediately prior to entering that institution.

People who are losing their primary nighttime residence, which may include a motel or hotel or a doubled up situation, within 14 days and lack resources or support networks to remain in housing. HUD had previously allowed people who were being displaced within 7 days to be considered homeless. The proposed regulation also describes specific documentation requirements for this category.

Families with children or unaccompanied youth who are unstably housed and likely to continue in that state. This is a new category of homelessness, and it applies to families with children or unaccompanied youth who have not had a lease or ownership interest in a housing unit in the last 60 or more days, have had two or more moves in the last 60 days, and who are likely to continue to be unstably housed because of disability or multiple barriers to employment.

People who are fleeing or attempting to flee domestic violence, have no other residence, and lack the resources or support networks to obtain other permanent housing. This category is similar to the current practice regarding people who are fleeing domestic violence. Changes in the HUD Definition of "Homeless" - National Alliance to End Homelessness

 

[ttwtt78640]

It is a hoot when Trumpsters come here weekly and try to make California out to be a 3rd world country... lol They have what? The 5th or so largest economy in the world.

And what do the Trumpster Republicans have? Mississippi which is 50th in everything in the US and does mooch Fed money... If it wasn't for their mooching off of California and NY, etc. Mississippi and many other red states would be a 3rd world countries...

Hmm... why offer ever expanding federal "safety net" benefits and then complain when folks take advantage of them? Why waste time and effort working to provide yourself (and your dependents) food, clothing and shelter when they are "free"?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Have conservatives solved the homeless problem in their states?

Bus tickets to CA, the land of free camping, plentiful recreational drugs and decent weather, are an inexpensive solution.

 

[mike2810]

Or perhaps the other state bus their homeless to California, to get rid of their problem and make it California's

Personally I think California should give each homeless person a bus ticket, and $200 to move to Kansas. The $200 can only be accessed 2 weeks after being in Kansas.

Or perhaps the homeless understand the benefits they can receive by living in California. :mrgreen:

Won't work. Kansas would give them the option of working on a farm for nothing more than food and housing or $50 and a bus ticket to California the day they arrive :lamo

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Hmm... why offer ever expanding federal "safety net" benefits and then complain when folks take advantage of them? Why waste time and effort working to provide yourself (and your dependents) food, clothing and shelter when they are "free"?

California is a state of 40 mil people. With billionaires and millionaires everywhere. They have the 5th largest economy in the world.

To try and make California out to be 3rd world country simply because of politics is disingenuous and BS and nothing but a Fox talking point. And you know it.

 

[Nickyjo]

Seems like this thread sprung from the Meaningless Division of the Department of Irrelevant Statistics, which Bureau of The Tremendous Grasp of the Obvious recently issued its report: “Surprise! Why Good Weather and Humane Treatment by Local Governments Cause People to Stick Around Rather than Move On.”

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Hmm... why offer ever expanding federal "safety net" benefits and then complain when folks take advantage of them? Why waste time and effort working to provide yourself (and your dependents) food, clothing and shelter when they are "free"?

I don't see people walking around enjoying free food, clothing and shelter, sorry.
Food consists of whatever a local food bank might have, which usually is canned, or whatever they can get out of the dumpster in back of the supermarket, or panhandled goodies from the local bodega.
Clothing? Yeah sure, these homeless are all fashion statements, yeah right.
Shelter? If they had shelter we wouldn't see all the Hooverville tent cities everywhere, so what are these people talking about?

Look, the homeless have it about the way they've always had it here, the only advantages are the weather and more rich people.

If you make things available that can help them get out of their situation, a certain number of them will take advantage of it and some will not. That hasn't changed much either in a long time. The point is, we can help the ones who want help.

That's as good as it gets...we get to make a big dent, but even if we do, we will still have a lot of homeless here, because Cali and the other Pacific states have always had a lot of homeless, stretching as far back as the days of the Gold Rush.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Calgary ( a city of 1.2 million) has two large homeless shelters, that provide support and work with the homeless to try to get them off the streets. During cold snaps the city opens up some surplus buildings that then are used for emergency shelters.


It is also using two former hotels as places for the homeless that are ready/able to transition from being homeless to becoming stable, and long term employable. One has been renovated into suites, that are rented out at low cost to the homeless who have jobs but still need assistance in the transition. In 2016 the homeless population in Calgary was around 3000, if one was to extrapolate that into a ratio with LA, it would probably be equal to 27 000.

I just saw another story about a city that pays its homeless nine bucks an hour to clean trash off streets and highways.
They all get orange vests, buckets and picker upper sticks and they turn them loose along the side of the road for seven hours a day. Since it is city budget, I am going to hazard a guess that they get paid with some kind of voucher that gets cashed in somewhere at the end of the day.

City gets its trash picked up, homeless get 50-60 bucks a day.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Bus tickets to CA, the land of free camping, plentiful recreational drugs and decent weather, are an inexpensive solution.

Plentiful recreational drugs?
HA! Now I know for a fact that you're a teetotaller.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Or perhaps the homeless understand the benefits they can receive by living in California. :mrgreen:

Won't work. Kansas would give them the option of working on a farm for nothing more than food and housing or $50 and a bus ticket to California the day they arrive :lamo

Living on the street, and pooping on the street are benefits?

Now $200 in two weeks is a better deal than $50

 

[Praxas]

God, you post such stupid ****... :lol:

That’s rich coming from the trolling comments you post. Take your hypocritical comments elsewhere.

 

[ttwtt78640]

California is a state of 40 mil people. With billionaires and millionaires everywhere. They have the 5th largest economy in the world.

To try and make California out to be 3rd world country simply because of politics is disingenuous and BS and nothing but a Fox talking point. And you know it.

I made no such references. That would be closer to what you did with your reference to MS. Why folks pick on CA is precisely because it is chock full of very rich liberals, claims to have a state budget surplus and yet has folks (criminally?) camping, ****ing and shooting up dope on its cities' streets.

It is hard to explain why such a rich and liberal utopia as CA would allow such nonsense to occur. Their "solution" appears to be to decriminalize everything short of rape, armed robbery and murder.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I made no such references. That would be closer to what you did with your reference to MS. Why folks pick on CA is precisely because it is chock full of very rich liberals, claims to have a state budget surplus and yet has folks (criminally?) camping, ****ing and shooting up dope on its cities' streets.

It is hard to explain why such a rich and liberal utopia as CA would allow such nonsense to occur. Their "solution" appears to be to decriminalize everything short of rape, armed robbery and murder.

You say you made no such references, but then you did.

Have a nice night

 

[ttwtt78640]

I don't see people walking around enjoying free food, clothing and shelter, sorry.
Food consists of whatever a local food bank might have, which usually is canned, or whatever they can get out of the dumpster in back of the supermarket, or panhandled goodies from the local bodega.
Clothing? Yeah sure, these homeless are all fashion statements, yeah right.
Shelter? If they had shelter we wouldn't see all the Hooverville tent cities everywhere, so what are these people talking about?

Look, the homeless have it about the way they've always had it here, the only advantages are the weather and more rich people.

If you make things available that can help them get out of their situation, a certain number of them will take advantage of it and some will not. That hasn't changed much either in a long time. The point is, we can help the ones who want help.

That's as good as it gets...we get to make a big dent, but even if we do, we will still have a lot of homeless here, because Cali and the other Pacific states have always had a lot of homeless, stretching as far back as the days of the Gold Rush.

If camping, ****ing and shooting up dope on the streets is decriminalized then it is no wonder that it persists. When the choice is between free camping on the streets and shooting up dope whenever they feel like it and going to jail and suffering withdrawal then perhaps different choices will be made.