Minimum wage hikes trigger 'payroll tsunami,' as small businesses cut back

[Thelion]

Of course, the general upward pressure on pay rates, of which tRumplings are so proud, has nothing to do with it.

 

[OlNate]

No, the problem is as usual the individual whose cost of living will not be served by any minimum wage increase so they seek gov't protection and the gov't to step into another area in which they don't belong. Socialists like you will never understand the private sector and how our Private sector has created the greatest economy in the world, one that you are jealous of and want to destroy. Why would the gov't offset the gap without understanding the profit demand of the employee? What is a livable wage in your world?

Conservative, we get it, man, you don't give a **** about anyone but yourself, it's all good.

We also get that anyone who disagrees with you has no idea about reality or how the world works.

Good chat!







:lol:

 

[pamak]

Again, keep diverting from the thread topic. With regard to the minimum wage increase in your state, does a $15 per hour wage get people out of poverty in California? NO, of course not, your cost of living, your taxes, your entitlement mentality eats up that wage increase driving up all other costs in your state but keep promoting liberal socialism and see how the country responds in 2020

I am not diverting from the thread. It is you who tried to divert from the thread talking about the issue of poverty which existed even before the increase of the minimum wage.

 

[Conservative]

The small business owners who ask the government's protection of limited liability laws cannot choose when it is appropriate to have the government intervene in the economic activity and when it is not Also, there is a reason we say government by the people and FOR the people. Finally, if you think that the wage gap in my state is big, then this is an additional reason why you should welcome an increase of the minimum wage.

I personally on behalf of the state of TX want to thank you for sending businesses out of your state to ours due to your high and increasing taxes in your fiscally disaster state.

California Companies Flee Business-Hostile State In Droves | Investor's Business Daily

California is already home to roughly one-third of the nation's welfare recipients, despite having just 12% of the nation's population.

California goes tax wild, eyes levies on everything from water to tires | Fox News

 

[Conservative]

I am not diverting from the thread. It is you who tried to divert from the thread talking about the issue of poverty which existed even before the increase of the minimum wage.

Then how does a $15 an hour wage increase or 30,000 per year salary improve the poverty level in your state as the 30,000 pay if earned and that is questionable as it is based upon a 40 hour work week 52 weeks a year. Post 454 articles explain it to you, with 12% of the population your state has the highest number of people in poverty. Keep buying what socialist tell you and keep ignoring the actual results

 

[akyron]

Minimum wage hikes trigger '''payroll tsunami,''' as small businesses cut back | Fox News



Another example of liberalism gone crazy and showing their total ignorance as to how the private sector works with no regard to the small business owner who is the last to be paid and the one that has to meet the Payroll along with tax and regulation responsibilities.

I can see the wailing now as unemployment rises because of the higher costs associated with forced wage increases on private businesses. All Trump's fault, right?

Are you sure this lame idea was "crazy"?

You are assuming democrat intent was to lift people up and help them get out of poverty. This scheme failed miserably.

If their intent was to pin down voters into a life of poverty and dependence on welfare then they have succeeded wildly.

 

[pamak]

I personally on behalf of the state of TX want to thank you for sending businesses out of your state to ours due to your high and increasing taxes in your fiscally disaster state.

California Companies Flee Business-Hostile State In Droves | Investor's Business Daily

California goes tax wild, eyes levies on everything from water to tires | Fox News

None of the above changes the fact that in my area unemployment has gone down after increasing the minimum wage...

 

[Conservative]

Conservative, we get it, man, you don't give a **** about anyone but yourself, it's all good.

We also get that anyone who disagrees with you has no idea about reality or how the world works.

Good chat!







:lol:

Yeah, that's it, I only employed 1200 people per year and had the lowest turnover in the industry, you are certainly an expert in giving your opinion no matter how wrong it is. Living in Canada seems to have destroyed your ability to do research and think of consequences for specific actions.

 

[Conservative]

None of the above changes the fact that in my area unemployment has gone down after increasing the minimum wage...

So it is all about you? Thanks for pointing that out. The fact that you have approximately 1/3 of the people at the poverty level living in your state doesn't matter to you? That is typical socialist/liberal compassion

 

[Tanya]

Sorry, not understanding.

If someone cannot afford to live off their pay, that sounds like a personal problem.

Not a problem for the government; not a problem for the employer; a personal problem. This is not something the minimum wage is supposed to address.

 

[pamak]

Then how does a $15 an hour wage increase or 30,000 per year salary improve the poverty level in your state as the 30,000 pay if earned and that is questionable as it is based upon a 40 hour work week 52 weeks a year. Post 454 articles explain it to you, with 12% of the population your state has the highest number of people in poverty. Keep buying what socialist tell you and keep ignoring the actual results

I do not know what you are trying to say!

What I am saying is that official level of poverty has actually gone down after the increase of the minimum wage

 

[pamak]

So it is all about you? Thanks for pointing that out. The fact that you have approximately 1/3 of the people at the poverty level living in your state doesn't matter to you? That is typical socialist/liberal compassion

But poverty was even higher before the increase of the minimum wage...
So, pointing now at poverty to argue against an increase of the recent minimum wage is nuts!

 

[OlNate]

If someone cannot afford to live off their pay, that sounds like a personal problem.

Not a problem for the government; not a problem for the employer; a personal problem. This is not something the minimum wage is supposed to address.

Maybe you would like to check out the following link:

Minimum Wage | Wex Legal Dictionary / Encyclopedia | LII / Legal Information Institute

...where it states:

The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees.

 

[OlNate]

Yeah, that's it, I only employed 1200 people per year and had the lowest turnover in the industry, you are certainly an expert in giving your opinion no matter how wrong it is. Living in Canada seems to have destroyed your ability to do research and think of consequences for specific actions.

:lamo

You know, as a side note, it is ceaselessly entertaining to watch someone who's opinion I care nothing about attempt to insult me. You should keep doing it, it's kind of a boring day, I appreciate the lolz.

1600 people, all working for minimum wage, with low turn over, huh? Congrats, you really are unique... :lol:

 

[Conservative]

I do not know what you are trying to say!

What I am saying is that official level of poverty has actually gone down after the increase of the minimum wage

Is that right? Is that why the state of California has 1/3 of the people in poverty? What was that percentage before the wage increase? Again, does $15 an hour take people out of poverty in California and how do those people in poverty that aren't working benefit from the minimum wage increase, paying more for goods and services?

 

[Conservative]

But poverty was even higher before the increase of the minimum wage...
So, pointing now at poverty to argue against an increase of the recent minimum wage is nuts!

Sorry but your view on this issue is NUTS, there are costs associated with higher minimum wages that you want to ignore including the cost to the unemployed and homeless. Higher prices also cause more state and local social support thus higher taxes to the people and businesses in the sate, Guess the articles I posted are irrelevant to a true legend like you?

 

[Conservative]

:lamo

You know, as a side note, it is ceaselessly entertaining to watch someone who's opinion I care nothing about attempt to insult me. You should keep doing it, it's kind of a boring day, I appreciate the lolz.

1600 people, all working for minimum wage, with low turn over, huh? Congrats, you really are unique... :lol:

Obviously you keep responding therefore I am getting to you as is the logic and common sense on this issue which you want to ignore. It has no impact on you whatsoever yet you have passion for it. Do you give a damn about what the unemployed have to pay for their services and products because of the minimum wage increase? How about the higher taxes that have to be collected to pay for those higher costs? As is typical with liberals you never see consequences for issues like this but since none of these issues affect you, you have zero credibility

 

[pamak]

Sorry but your view on this issue is NUTS, there are costs associated with higher minimum wages that you want to ignore including the cost to the unemployed and homeless. Higher prices also cause more state and local social support thus higher taxes to the people and businesses in the sate, Guess the articles I posted are irrelevant to a true legend like you?

We never debated the issue of cost. We debate the IMPACT of having higher cost as a result of an increase of the minimum wage. As long as unemployment and poverty rate goes down, it is obvious that the economy and the competent business owner can withstand an increase of the minimum wage.

 

[OlNate]

Obviously you keep responding therefore I am getting to you as is the logic and common sense on this issue which you want to ignore. It has no impact on you whatsoever yet you have passion for it. Do you give a damn about what the unemployed have to pay for their services and products because of the minimum wage increase? How about the higher taxes that have to be collected to pay for those higher costs? As is typical with liberals you never see consequences for issues like this but since none of these issues affect you, you have zero credibility

BAHAHA... Oh, you care about the costs of the unemployed now, do you.... :lamo

A liberal vision would include ensuring that those who are unemployed are provided with the essentials they need to survive, and a concentrated effort to ensure there are jobs for them to find that will pay them a wage that they can live on. You know, the kind of things conservatives are typically against.

And Conservative...let's not get it twisted. I keep responding because I find you entertaining.

 

[Conservative]

We never debated the issue of cost. We debate the IMPACT of having higher cost as a result of an increase of the minimum wage. As long as unemployment and poverty rate goes down, it is obvious that the economy and the competent business owner can withstand an increase of the minimum wage.

Your myopic view of this issue ignores reality as usual with all the benefit supposedly going to the hourly worker most of whom a first time wage earners, students. people under 25 without a family and totally ignoring the impact on the entire state including those in poverty, homeless and thus dependent on the state getting social support from the state and local communities. You still haven't addressed the 30,000 pay this will generate for someone working full time, 40 hours a week and whether that lifts them out of poverty in your state.

 

[Conservative]

BAHAHA... Oh, you care about the costs of the unemployed now, do you.... :lamo

A liberal vision would include ensuring that those who are unemployed are provided with the essentials they need to survive, and a concentrated effort to ensure there are jobs for them to find that will pay them a wage that they can live on. You know, the kind of things conservatives are typically against.

And Conservative...let's not get it twisted. I keep responding because I find you entertaining.

Nope, I care about the higher taxes taxpayers are going to pay to fund the increase in taxes to pay those increased benefit costs due to higher product and service costs. The liberal version is a knee jerk reaction to all social issues believing spending in the name of compassion is all that matters regardless of the cost and the results.

I also care about the business owner's investment and being told by a bureaucrat what to pay their employees. That takes away his freedom to make even bad choices. You have zero faith in people in that you believe people have a gun held to their head forcing them to take low paying jobs. You and the rest of the liberals have been indoctrinated well by the left and no matter what evidence is proven this cult attitude rejects it.

 

[OlNate]

Nope, I care about the higher taxes taxpayers are going to pay to fund the increase in taxes to pay those increased benefit costs due to higher product and service costs. The liberal version is a knee jerk reaction to all social issues believing spending in the name of compassion is all that matters regardless of the cost and the results.

I also care about the business owner's investment and being told by a bureaucrat what to pay their employees. That takes away his freedom to make even bad choices. You have zero faith in people in that you believe people have a gun held to their head forcing them to take low paying jobs. You and the rest of the liberals have been indoctrinated well by the left and no matter what evidence is proven this cult attitude rejects it.

So, back to, we get it, you only care about yourself. :shrug: What kind of person do you think that makes you, Conservative? And, given that, how much should we give two ****s about any of the self serving things you have to say?

Try to use less Conservative meme bullet points this time around, if you can.

 

[pamak]

Your myopic view of this issue ignores reality as usual with all the benefit supposedly going to the hourly worker most of whom a first time wage earners, students. people under 25 without a family and totally ignoring the impact on the entire state including those in poverty, homeless and thus dependent on the state getting social support from the state and local communities. You still haven't addressed the 30,000 pay this will generate for someone working full time, 40 hours a week and whether that lifts them out of poverty in your state.

I do not ignore reality! I simply do not accept your claim that business cannot afford an increase of the minimum wage under the current economic conditions. If unemployment and poverty rates go down in a state which has increased the minimum wage, then everything else is just talk which ignores the actual reality.

 

[Conservative]

I do not ignore reality! I simply do not accept your claim that business cannot afford an increase of the minimum wage under the current economic conditions. If unemployment and poverty rates go down in a state which has increased the minimum wage, then everything else is just talk which ignores the actual reality.

That's because you judge everyone else by your own standards as you have never run a business or faced the taxes and regulations of running a business. You seem to be ignoring that regardless of poverty RATES going down, population growth matters more as the percentage may drop but the numbers increase and that burden of paying higher costs is born by the individual, not you or your wife

You also seem to be ignoring the cash strapped state of California and their attempt to raise taxes so tell me raising taxes, raising costs does what to the person making a higher wage?

 

[Conservative]

So, back to, we get it, you only care about yourself. :shrug: What kind of person do you think that makes you, Conservative? And, given that, how much should we give two ****s about any of the self serving things you have to say?

Try to use less Conservative meme bullet points this time around, if you can.

Love the emotional rhetoric and totally ignoring the costs of higher wages to the people not employed, the state and local gov'ts for public services, and the higher costs of taxes required to provide those local services creating less benefits to those making $15 per hour. Too bad that emotional rhetoric doesn't lead to the promised results of liberalism