Michael Cohen to file ‘emergency stay’ to quash Stormy Daniels case — to plead the Fifth: report

[SILVER SURFER]

Midway through the Stormy indecent, I saw an occasional quip like, "she may be the one that brings him down".

While being open-minded, I never gave the quips too much credence. Well, that may be all over! If the Cohen raid was primarily Stormy related, and it yields damning leads, she indeed may turn out to be the one that bought him down. Amazing, if it were to be.

Freudian slip? :lol: (sorry, just a bit of good-natured grammar nazism)

Yeah, it'll be real interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[Hawkeye10]

When one is under attack from a state out to get them the only thing todo is to squirm and defend yourself as best you can. I am making no call on the guilt of this guy, but it is nice to see the he is not stupid.

 

[RAMOSS]

Could be bigly trouble if Stormy was paid from a Trump campaign/Trump Foundation slush fund.

Cohen at least is in big trouble. The thing is.. he can shut up all he wants, they go this records.

 

[Lerxst]

It's as if someone just keeps turning on lights in Trump's circle and causing **** roaches to scramble for dark corners.

I like it.

 

[RAMOSS]

I think November is going to be very entertaining.

I strongly doubt that the Democrats will take the senate this year, just because of the odds of who is up for reelection. That being said, I am getting to the point I would be less and less surprised if that manage to take back the senate this election period. The republicans say 'government is bad', and every time they get to be the majority, they do their best effort to prove that to be true.

 

[GDViking]

Perhaps that might explain the odd low amounts that Stormy and the Playmate were paid. A slush fund to cover a 100 women getting paid on average 130K to 150K would have to be around 15 million at least.

I had not considered that, I was always curious as to how they came to the 130,000 figure. I just assumed they started at 100 and 150 and settled...

 

[Moot]

I had not considered that, I was always curious as to how they came to the 130,000 figure. I just assumed they started at 100 and 150 and settled...

It's such an odd number that a lot of...or at least a few people have wondered about that, too.

 

[GDViking]

THE ART OF THE DEAL:

Updated edition

DON'T **** WITH A PORN STAR!!!

Sorry couldn't help myself....

 

[Mach]

We don't know this for sure though and I am wondering how this could be proved anyway.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/10/trump...aniels-illegal-under-these-conditions-expert/

It's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

And it's never easy with smart, rich, white collar criminals who have good attorneys, and in this case are themselves familiar with the law, is it? They always have an advantage in our justice system.

As to what they have publicly:
First, the affair occurred many years prior, why suddenly, right at campaign time, did he engage in the payoff? The timing is their key piece of evidence in the public.
Second, if he does take the fifth, and if they can show evidence on things he will not answer, you can draw a negative inference about Cohen's position.

With any and all such cases that don't have ironclad evidence, it's always necessary to have a big body of compelling evidence, show a pattern of behavior, get other witness testimony if available, etc. It won't be easy, but with smart white collar criminals, it never is.

 

[Captain America]

Cohen is nothing but a thug disguised as an attorney, an attorney for thugs, thugs disguised as businessmen & politicians

let them all rot in the cesspool of nothingness, dark & black

I smell a revolution; I love that smell

Reminds me of a scene from The Godfather.

"I have a special practice. I handle one client."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM5bfWrkdRo

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Bannon claimed that around a hundred women were paid off during the election.

And yet Trump has invited him BACK? :lamo

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I strongly doubt that the Democrats will take the senate this year, just because of the odds of who is up for reelection. That being said, I am getting to the point I would be less and less surprised if that manage to take back the senate this election period. The republicans say 'government is bad', and every time they get to be the majority, they do their best effort to prove that to be true.

Disagree, I think we're going to see a blue tsunami sweep both chambers.
People are actually both frightened AND pissed off at what they've seen so far and they're pretty sure that they do not want to see it play out for another three years to its ultimate intended conclusion.

 

[washunut]

It began with Bernie, and those in the House that want the old guard out.
It began after the Dems lost the rural and union voters, who had supported the Dems for many decades. Just look to the recent CD election in Pennsylvania as an indicator of what and who can win, and who will lose.
Then add in the battle who want to take the arty farther left, if they go that way in the 18, they will lose many CD's they could have won

Democrats will find out in 2019 what the Republicans are finding out now. The electorate, especially the kind of voters you mentioned above are not happy with the country's direction. It is one thing to win by gumming up the works and crapping on the incumbent president. Then comes the messy challenge of actually doing things that allows you to keep those voters. Nor sure making illegal immigrants citizens and raising taxes will satisfy those voters. We will see if they can keep turnout high when they are in charge.

 

[JANFU]

Democrats will find out in 2019 what the Republicans are finding out now. The electorate, especially the kind of voters you mentioned above are not happy with the country's direction. It is one thing to win by gumming up the works and crapping on the incumbent president. Then comes the messy challenge of actually doing things that allows you to keep those voters. Nor sure making illegal immigrants citizens and raising taxes will satisfy those voters. We will see if they can keep turnout high when they are in charge.

So how about those deficits that run near to 1 T per year. In the event of an economic downturn, it will easily exceed the 1 T mark.

 

[RAMOSS]

It's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

And it's never easy with smart, rich, white collar criminals who have good attorneys, and in this case are themselves familiar with the law, is it? They always have an advantage in our justice system.

As to what they have publicly:
First, the affair occurred many years prior, why suddenly, right at campaign time, did he engage in the payoff? The timing is their key piece of evidence in the public.
Second, if he does take the fifth, and if they can show evidence on things he will not answer, you can draw a negative inference about Cohen's position.

With any and all such cases that don't have ironclad evidence, it's always necessary to have a big body of compelling evidence, show a pattern of behavior, get other witness testimony if available, etc. It won't be easy, but with smart white collar criminals, it never is.

Going on record with the media saying he paid her off, and it was his money was NOT the sign of a smart white collar criminal

 

[danarhea]

Source: Raw Story: Michael Cohen to file ‘emergency stay’ to quash Stormy Daniels case — to plead the Fifth: report

I am not familiar with the source (Raw Story), but it does seem to be reasonably faithful to the actual MSNBC broadcast. For your convenience, I additionally broke-out the embedded YouTube video of the broadcast from within the article.

I haven't really had time to digest this thoroughly, and not being an attorney I have no knowledge as to whether Cohen can shut this all down with the 5th, or will this force Trump to also take the 5th?

Either way, Stormy & Avenatti are giving Trump & Cohen quite a ride here. They seem to be extremely worthy opponents.

Cohen can say whatever he wants, but the evidence the FBI got from the raid seems to be substantial. Mueller announced today that he doesn't need to interview Trump.

 

[trixare4kids]

It's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

And it's never easy with smart, rich, white collar criminals who have good attorneys, and in this case are themselves familiar with the law, is it? They always have an advantage in our justice system.

As to what they have publicly:
First, the affair occurred many years prior, why suddenly, right at campaign time, did he engage in the payoff? The timing is their key piece of evidence in the public.
Second, if he does take the fifth, and if they can show evidence on things he will not answer, you can draw a negative inference about Cohen's position.

With any and all such cases that don't have ironclad evidence, it's always necessary to have a big body of compelling evidence, show a pattern of behavior, get other witness testimony if available, etc. It won't be easy, but with smart white collar criminals, it never is.

In the source I quoted above, it was said that the timing of the payment might be circumstantial.

 

[GDViking]

And yet Trump has invited him BACK? :lamo

Nobody who is bright ever claimed trump is bright...

 

[washunut]

So how about those deficits that run near to 1 T per year. In the event of an economic downturn, it will easily exceed the 1 T mark.

Like I said, Republicans found it harder to govern than just sit back and crap on Obama. Democrats should learn that lesson and be prepared to actually govern. BTW, no chance that democrats will suddenly become deficit hawks. Just will spend money differently and increase taxes. They need to be able to do all that without cratering the aging expansion in our economy. No easy task. Not sure that those rural and union folks you mentioned earlier are looking forward to 11 million more people who can legally compete for their blue collar jobs.

Just saying it is easier to throw rocks from the outside than actually govern this nation which has a bunch of structural flaws. That is why we seem to swing from one party to the other.

 

[GDViking]

Democrats will find out in 2019 what the Republicans are finding out now. The electorate, especially the kind of voters you mentioned above are not happy with the country's direction. It is one thing to win by gumming up the works and crapping on the incumbent president. Then comes the messy challenge of actually doing things that allows you to keep those voters. Nor sure making illegal immigrants citizens and raising taxes will satisfy those voters. We will see if they can keep turnout high when they are in charge.

What about fixing a bridge or two and actually lowering health care costs rather than sabotaging them for a change?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Like I said, Republicans found it harder to govern than just sit back and crap on Obama. Democrats should learn that lesson and be prepared to actually govern. BTW, no chance that democrats will suddenly become deficit hawks. Just will spend money differently and increase taxes. They need to be able to do all that without cratering the aging expansion in our economy. No easy task. Not sure that those rural and union folks you mentioned earlier are looking forward to 11 million more people who can legally compete for their blue collar jobs.

Just saying it is easier to throw rocks from the outside than actually govern this nation which has a bunch of structural flaws. That is why we seem to swing from one party to the other.

Spending money and increasing taxes is at least HONEST.
As long as the money is spent wisely, delivers tangible results and shows some promise, people are generally more okay with it than just racking up bills on the credit card willy nilly without a care as to the results.
The long standing trope about "Tax and Spend Liberals" is actually a compliment.
Yeah, we're going to spend some money, but we're going to be up front about what it costs and it's going to levied on the books.
Here is where a REAL conservative could be of enormous help, if there were/are any still around:

The conservatives could be the pocketbook hawks who want to have input and some oversight, because by my own admission and acknowledgment, Democrats, liberal ones anyway, do tend to get all "pie in the sky" and "Pollyanna" about big dreams and how they are going to fix the world.
Sober minded conservatives are always valuable because they are fond of mashing on the brake pedal:

"Whoa there, kiddies, just exactly what is it you think you're going to accomplish with this nonsense?"

Ever since the cons fell in love with dismantling every public institution they could get their hands on, they've lost the ability to be valuable in ways which benefit the largest number of Americans who need help. They've completely forgotten about the concept of "HELP" altogether.

 

[notquiteright]

We don't know this for sure though and I am wondering how this could be proved anyway.

Oh I'm thinking it can be....

If Cohen tries and wrap his actions up in the sanctity of marriage that might be a bit of a stretch. Trump's dalliances are well known. He bragged to Billy Bush he could grab a woman by he *****- he had just married Melania and she was carrying his kid (2005). Let us not forget he was having an affair with his second wife while still married to his first one(1992)....

Yeah might be a bit of a stretch that after a decade he suddenly worries Melania might find out he isn't the most faithful husband around right before the biggest election on the planet- it is YUGE... :roll:

 

[trixare4kids]

Oh I'm thinking it can be....

If Cohen tries and wrap his actions up in the sanctity of marriage that might be a bit of a stretch. Trump's dalliances are well known. He bragged to Billy Bush he could grab a woman by he *****- he had just married Melania and she was carrying his kid (2005). Let us not forget he was having an affair with his second wife while still married to his first one(1992)....

Yeah might be a bit of a stretch that after a decade he suddenly worries Melania might find out he isn't the most faithful husband around right before the biggest election on the planet- it is YUGE... :roll:

I'm glad you're having fun guessing about how this will all play out, but seriously, I don't think something like this can actually be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Too circumstantial, an awful lot of conjecture here.

 

[Chomsky]

It began with Bernie, and those in the House that want the old guard out.
It began after the Dems lost the rural and union voters, who had supported the Dems for many decades. Just look to the recent CD election in Pennsylvania as an indicator of what and who can win, and who will lose.
Then add in the battle who want to take the arty farther left, if they go that way in the 18, they will lose many CD's they could have won

Actually I was thinking in terms of losing the old guard, and getting some new blood in like they did with Colin Lamb in PA.

 

[Chomsky]

Freudian slip? :lol: (sorry, just a bit of good-natured grammar nazism)

Yeah, it'll be real interesting to see how this plays out.

Whoa! Even the forum spell-check got in the act there! :mrgreen: