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Michael Cohen pleads guilty to lying to Congress about Trump real estate project in Russia

Just recently Giuliani claimed that what Cohen plead to is what Trump stated in his written answers.

Trump this morning said Cohen is lying.

So which is it?

What this looks like is that Manafort pled guilty and then basically got busted as a double agent that was spying from the inside of Muellers investigation back to trump and his lawyers... then a day after him having being busted doing so, Cohen runs to investigators and says, "I was doing the same thing for trump by lying after pleading." Which is why trump never really bashed cohen nor manafort after their first pleading but now that cohen came out today admitting this trump is now bashing him.
 
Your tin foil hat is cutting circulation off if you think a project that never materialized falls under emoluments law. Incredible. :roll:


How can it be an emolument? Trump wasn't a President.

Trump is now the President. His policy IS America's policy.

You really don't know how this stuff works, do you?

I can see how you might be confused. Let me clarify as I should have offered a more complete statement.

No question that candidate Trump is not guilty of emoluments. However, the financial interests of the candidate could be well established at this time. To the extent to interests carry into his presidency AND we see a sharp change in US foreign policy in favor of nations where the President has financial interests, we have a blatant emoluments issue.

The emoluments clause was included in the Constitution to protect the citizens from the corruption of the President.

Federalist Papers: FEDERALIST No. 84

If the President has been bought by Russia and/or Saudi Arabia, we have a problem; an impeachable problem. Trump's financial ties to Russia are believed to be quite extensive. Surely Mueller, with his time of financial fraud prosecutors, forensic accountants and fraud auditors has a comprehensive view of this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/law...red-for-the-trump-russia-investigation-2017-6

Ever wonder why Mueller staffed up on financial fraud experts?

What we learned today is likely but one of many entanglements between Russia and Trump. There is very likely much more to learn ...

Writer stands by story that Eric Trump said Russians financed Trump golf courses | Charlotte Observer
Trump's opposition research firm: Russia's intelligence agencies - Los Angeles Times
Is Donald Trump?s Dark Russian Secret Hiding in Deutsche Bank?s Vaults?
https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/01/08/deutsche-bank-global-bank-oligarchs-american-russian-part-1/


I have always believed the Trump's financial dependence on Russia or Saudi Arabia, his fundamental avarice, would be his undoing. I think we are in the early stages of seeing the prophecy take shape.
 
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How does it change what I wrote above?

:coffeepap

It doesn't but minds of mush hear Russia Russia and that well is all it takes for them to start foaming at the mouth.
 
Cohen is punished for admitting to have lied to congress (his memory of a time line was off y 1 month - whoodee ****).
The left cheers and calls this vitally important.

I wonder if the left would cheer if Brennan, Comey and Clapper were charged with the same thing, as they too, lied to congress under oath, and in a far more substantiative manner on a far more substantiative topics and far more substantiative lies.

Instead, each of these others is rewarded, and then questioning of government and the questioning if equal application of law being applied is criticized? Really? :roll:

It is this hypocrisy that I find most disgusting.
 
Did you read the pleadings? Apparently not.

I can't decide which is worse. Hating people of unlike mind who live in their country so much that they defend Trump selling it out to the Russians. Or being too stupid to see that Trump sold out the country to Russians.
 
Does that mean you agree or disagree?? :D

It has been said before, but I will be more than happy to repeat so the slow people get it. Hillary's team reported what they found to the proper authorities. Trump's criminal team sent their illicit information to Wikileaks and then covered up that they were the ones to do it.

It shouldn't take an advanced degree in ****ing engineering to figure out how those two things differ. But, I understand how maybe for some it would.
 
I can't decide which is worse. Hating people of unlike mind who live in their country so much that they defend Trump selling it out to the Russians. Or being too stupid to see that Trump sold out the country to Russians.

That is a tough question. I never though I would see America fall to this level. We need a candidate that can return America to its rightful place as leader of the free world, champion of human rights and democracy and a cultivator of equal rights and equal opportunity.

We need a leader to make America Great Again!
 
I can see how you might be confused. Let me clarify as I should have offered a more complete statement.

No question that candidate Trump is not guilty of emoluments. However, the financial interests of the candidate could be well established at this time. To the extent to interests carry into his presidency AND we see a sharp change in US foreign policy in favor of nations where the President has financial interests, we have a blatant emoluments issue.

The emoluments clause was included in the Constitution to protect the citizens from the corruption of the President.

Federalist Papers: FEDERALIST No. 84

If the President has been bought by Russia and/or Saudi Arabia, we have a problem; an impeachable problem. Trump's financial ties to Russia are believed to be quite extensive. Surely Mueller, with his time of financial fraud prosecutors, forensic accountants and fraud auditors has a comprehensive view of this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/law...red-for-the-trump-russia-investigation-2017-6

Ever wonder why Mueller staffed up on financial fraud experts?

What we learned today is likely but one of many entanglements between Russia and Trump. There is very likely much more to learn ...

Writer stands by story that Eric Trump said Russians financed Trump golf courses | Charlotte Observer
Trump's opposition research firm: Russia's intelligence agencies - Los Angeles Times
Is Donald Trump?s Dark Russian Secret Hiding in Deutsche Bank?s Vaults?
https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/01/08/deutsche-bank-global-bank-oligarchs-american-russian-part-1/


I have always believed the Trump's financial dependence on Russia or Saudi Arabia, his fundamental avarice, would be his undoing. I think we are in the early stages of seeing the prophecy take shape.

So...there wasn't any emolument when he was a candidate.

Thanks for walking that back.
 
It has been said before, but I will be more than happy to repeat so the slow people get it. Hillary's team reported what they found to the proper authorities. Trump's criminal team sent their illicit information to Wikileaks and then covered up that they were the ones to do it.

It shouldn't take an advanced degree in ****ing engineering to figure out how those two things differ. But, I understand how maybe for some it would
Thats not true at all. The Russians who hacked the DNC sent their documents straight to wikileaks
 
So...there wasn't any emolument when he was a candidate.

Thanks for walking that back.

What we are seeing here is reflective a larger issue of Trump's financial entanglements with Russia that that likely points to emoluments. What is compelling about this particular issue is the lies and deceit of the American voter by telling us he had no business interests in Russia when he did. We do not yet know exactly when this particular deal was shelved or if it actually ever was.

Shouldnt Hillary be indicted also for that piss dossier since Steele worked for a foreign government as well??

What has been lost in this story is that it confirms more of the dossier (Cohen was a go between, knew Felix Sater, may have travelled to eastern europe on Trump's behalf in 2016) To date the tenets of the dossier have only been confirmed. To my knowledge there has been no known refutation of any aspect of the dossier.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-true-proven-929839
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/29/18117945/michael-cohen-mueller-trump-russia-plea
 
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What we are seeing here is reflective a larger issue of Trump's financial entanglements with Russia that that likely points to emoluments. What is compelling about this particular issue is the lies and deceit of the American voter by telling us he had no business interests in Russia when he did. We do not yet know exactly when this particular deal was shelved or if it actually ever was.



What has been lost in this story is that it confirms more of the dossier (Cohen was a go between, knew Felix Sater, may have travelled to eastern europe on Trump's behalf in 2016) To date the tenets of the dossier have only been confirmed. To my knowledge there has been no known refutation of any aspect of the dossier.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-true-proven-929839
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/29/18117945/michael-cohen-mueller-trump-russia-plea

No. What we are seeing here is rank speculation taken as fact.

Dismissed.
 
Thats not true at all. The Russians who hacked the DNC sent their documents straight to wikileaks

That is correct.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

The question is what "unnamed" conspirators, likely including Roger Stone, did in the distribution of these emails.

Thats not true at all. The Russians who hacked the DNC sent their documents straight to wikileaks

That is correct.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

The question is what "unnamed" conspirators.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roger-...son-in-russian-hacking-indictment-2018-07-14/

Bear in mind, however, to the extent that this conspiracy is better articulated, the Russians could well be a part of "Trump's criminal team", making Calamity's assertions right on target.
 
No. What we are seeing here is rank speculation taken as fact.

Dismissed.

Not offering it as fact, it is clearly opinion. I am saying where I think this is going based upon the facts (and I have documented all of my assertions). I am sorry to be a few steps ahead of you, but then again you are still trying to catch up from declaring the Russian scandal a "nothing burger"
 
It doesn't but minds of mush hear Russia Russia and that well is all it takes for them to start foaming at the mouth.

You mean that's all it takes to get Trump foaming at the mouth and go out on early morning Twitter meltdown.
 
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Lets see it.

The preliminary deal is actual public record, did you miss it? Of course you did. The internal Trump Organization document:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/08/politics/trump-moscow-document/index.html

In and of itself, it's not a big deal, why are you even defending it? Even Trump agrees with Cohen. He both agrees with it, and calls him liar, but it's Trump, he's a stable moron what do you expect?

The president lashed out fiercely at Mr. Cohen on Thursday, calling him a “weak” prevaricator who concocted a false tale about the hotel deal in hopes of winning a lesser punishment. That charge conflicts with Mr. Giuliani’s assertion that Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump have now given prosecutors much the same account.
Asked how he reconciled the seeming contradiction, Mr. Giuliani blamed Mr. Cohen.
“He has so many different versions of the same stories, so by definition he is a liar and we can’t trust him,” Mr. Giuliani said. “Given the fact that he’s a liar, I can’t tell you what he’s lying about.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/us/politics/trump-cohen-moscow-trump-tower.html
 
I think most people call that one side" the truth"...

republicans have ensured that is the theme more and more these days.
Right wing propaganda - lies
everything else - mostly reality

They then claim it's partisan (!), and that mainstream media always opposing lies, is fake nooz. It's madness. I think it can be corrected with legislation, but we're too stupid to get that.
 
I think one of the things that the cult trump propagandists are desperately trying to deflect from is that not only does Mueller all of Cohen's documents and records, Cohen also taped a ton of conversations with trump.

He had worked with trump long enough to know that he not only was a mobbed up grifter that never made a legal deal in his life, he was also a complete backstabber with no sense of loyalty to his own people.

Cohen was aware if the **** ever hit the fan trump would offer him up for sacrifice.

Cohen covered his own ass, and the worst day in trumps sliver spoon life was the day he flipped...
 
It has been said before, but I will be more than happy to repeat so the slow people get it. Hillary's team reported what they found to the proper authorities. Trump's criminal team sent their illicit information to Wikileaks and then covered up that they were the ones to do it.

It shouldn't take an advanced degree in ****ing engineering to figure out how those two things differ. But, I understand how maybe for some it would.
And of course you have proof of your outrageous claim. Link your proof and I will make sure that Mueller gets a copy. :roll:
 
Yeah.....unfortunately, the bumbling star of this sitcom has his finger on the button.


I am less concerned about that event than I am about the damage done to the relations between our two countries. There is serious and rapidly building anti-American backlash growing here. A ceremony over the soldiers who died in Afghanistan was disrupted by protesters last week, which pretty much carried the tail "**** America" was one of the biggest signs.

I my 70 years I have seen some really sick times between our countries, as we were with you in Afghanistan George W. Bush was launching his own trade war that cost this province alone, 12,000 jobs. So with Trump launching yet a third attack and lying about us "stealing" and "cheating" does not sit well....and as was said on the radio by one of the protesters about taking it out on average every day Americans ..."who else do we have to send our message to? Trump isn't listening, maybe they will listen when their stores shut down because if it" a voluntary boycott."

I have never seen it this bad, we had tough times with you guys in the late 60's and 70's. It lasted until the second Reagan administration when Prime Minister Mulroney and Reagan sang Irish duets. Since then we've tolerated things but with 4,000 dead fighting YOUR war and be called "cheaters" by a man with the morals of bacteria is just too much for many Canadians.

The militant progressives have already infused anti-American rhetoric into local issues...a current referendum on a progressive electoral system is now backed with "we need this so we don't become like the Excited States." Trump is such a pathetic childish piece of **** we didn't really need another trade war to grow some hate....Trump is the anithema to what is "Canadian", and, frankly an insult to our way of life, 'live and let live' etc.

No, it would be safe to say that "the world's greatest friendship" has suffered catastrophic damage.
 
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