Michael Cohen pleads guilty to lying to Congress about Trump real estate project in Russia

[calamity]

Ok-- what did Trump sell out? He has been in office for two years. What has he done to draw this conclusion?

NATO, obviously. But hey, maybe you are fine with Soviet aggression going unchecked. Oh, wait. It’s all good now that Russians are supposedly anti-gay, pro-Jesus capitalists. :roll:

 

[JANFU]

Couple things with the take home test....

Likely looked over and corroborated by his Legal team.. So if hes going down they ALL are going down.


Again though...... Cohen's histroy is NOT the most credible.

HOW can you hide BUSINESS Russians Real Estate Dealings. COMMON Mueller and half the WORLD knew about Russia Trump Tower. So its NO secret. IT was COHEN's Dumb assumption to TRY and lie to match a presidents comment. Presidents comment was not under oath about not having Russia business dealings.... Cohen's was.. And again.. WITH that.. context applies as again the WORLD knew about Kushner there and Trump wanting to build another hotel in Russia....

Why did Trump deny it??

 

[j-mac]

Why did Trump deny it??

Not sure he was asked about it when the deal was in play....

 

[MTAtech]

Not sure he was asked about it when the deal was in play....

Ah, the scramble to make a lie not a lie.

Trump clearly said that he has no dealings with Russia or anyone dealt or met with Russians. That was a baldfaced lie.

 

[MTAtech]

Beyond speculation, what evidence do you have that these positions were intended to sweeten any deal?

In any event, Trump DID impose sanctions for Russian actions in Crimea and he DID green light selling arms to Ukraine.



Trump did nothing to try to "weaken NATO".



Looks to me like you are making wild, unsubstantiated connections to separate, unrelated issues and events.

It sure seems that you want to bend over backwards while twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend Trump. For someone who pronounces his innocence daily, he is looking more and more guilty.

We already had sanctions on Russia and the Congress passed a law stating that the president couldn't remove them.

Let's also remember how Trump sided with Putin over our intelligence agencies, at the Helsinki meeting.

 

[j-mac]

Ah, the scramble to make a lie not a lie.

Trump clearly said that he has no dealings with Russia or anyone dealt or met with Russians. That was a baldfaced lie.

Look, I'm not defending him...I am all for transparency.

But, my thoughts are that these deals don't have his daily direct involvement...So, If let's say, he told Cohen, who seems to be painting himself as some sort of 'point man' on the deal, so let's say he tells him 'scrap the deal in June of 2015, and it takes time to unravel these sorts of things, I can see Trump believing that his order was given and in his mind that was the end of it....

Besides...What's the beef here? There was no deal...period...

 

[Mycroft]

It sure seems that you want to bend over backwards while twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend Trump. For someone who pronounces his innocence daily, he is looking more and more guilty.

We already had sanctions on Russia and the Congress passed a law stating that the president couldn't remove them.

Let's also remember how Trump sided with Putin over our intelligence agencies, at the Helsinki meeting.

I'm not defending Trump. I'm trying to figure out what he is guilty of.

 

[JANFU]

Not sure he was asked about it when the deal was in play....

During the campaign Trump denied working on any business deals involving Russia. Yet they continued till mid 2016

 

[roughdraft274]

Who cares if he was doing business in Russia? It's a country, isn't it? Lots of people have done business in Russia - doesn't make them evil. Trump's done business around the world, not just Russia exclusively.

I can think of a Lefty named Bernie Sanders who chose to take his actual honeymoon in Russia, though - now that's saying something.

Agreed. It's perfectly fine if he had done business in Russia. I'd expect a businessman to do a business deal that makes him money.

But I don't expect them to lie about it while running for president and after having been elected president. Especially considering all of the other lies from Trump and his campaign regarding Russia. He's misleading the nation.

 

[danarhea]

I don't think you know what a perjury trap is. It has nothing to do with being "tricked into lying".

what don't you understand about this? All of it?

 

[calamity]

The Trumpkin denials are becoming downright comical. What we now know is plenty to hang the liar in chief. His only hope is Trumpkinism trumping rule of law.

So, yeah--keep being useful idiots.

 

[j-mac]

During the campaign Trump denied working on any business deals involving Russia. Yet they continued till mid 2016

Yeah, I can see why you'd say that...And, to tell the truth, I am not sure why he would say that...I mean, hell, he loves to expand on everything else he says, to the point of painful foot in mouth syndrome at times...So, I guess IDK....But, nothing illegal there...So, meh, not much of anything but political rhetorical attack to be had...:shrug:

 

[Athanasius68]

NATO, obviously. But hey, maybe you are fine with Soviet aggression going unchecked. Oh, wait. It’s all good now that Russians are supposedly anti-gay, pro-Jesus capitalists. :roll:

There has been greater 'checking' of Russian aggression under Trump than 'checking' that occurred under Obama and even Bush.
And how has NATO been harmed? NATO countries have agreed to increase defense spending since Trump was elected.

 

[SLC]

The Trumpkin denials are becoming downright comical. What we now know is plenty to hang the liar in chief. His only hope is Trumpkinism trumping rule of law.

So, yeah--keep being useful idiots.

So what is this evidence that you possess that will hang the “liar one chief” give me a link so I can pass it along to Mueller.

 

[SLC]

Ah, the scramble to make a lie not a lie.

Trump clearly said that he has no dealings with Russia or anyone dealt or met with Russians. That was a baldfaced lie.

And Obama lies about closing Gitmo . So?

 

[SLC]

Oh please, the Republicans have been investigating Hillary for years before the 2016 election. If there was anything to find, they would have released it then.

All you are trying to do is write another “but Hillary “ post to distract from the real outrages from Trump.

And all you are trying to do is to say Hillary’s crimes don’t count because she is a Democrat.

 

[Casca XV]

Your creepy knowledge of what a person does in their private life is wild. I'm not sure why you have it, but for someone repulsed by homosexuality, you sure do know a lot of gossip from that world.

Why? You've yet to say.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

Private Life? At least twice Berry publicly called his wife, (who suspiciously looks like a Ladyboy) "Michael."

Larry Sinclair wrote a book about his fling with Bathhouse Berry, and he has a lot more evidence than Stormy ever did.

 

[bubbabgone]

I tried to warn you all yesterday about this one.
You should have learned this lesson a long time ago.
You'd know it was the real deal if you heard it.
This wasn't it either.

 

[Cardinal]

Yeah, I can see why you'd say that...And, to tell the truth, I am not sure why he would say that...I mean, hell, he loves to expand on everything else he says, to the point of painful foot in mouth syndrome at times...So, I guess IDK....But, nothing illegal there...So, meh, not much of anything but political rhetorical attack to be had...:shrug:

Every time trump lied about his business dealings with Russia, Russia knew the truth and had kompromat over a United States president. Just thought you’d appreciate the reminder.

 

[SLC]

Every time trump lied about his business dealings with Russia, Russia knew the truth and had kompromat over a United States president. Just thought you’d appreciate the reminder.

So why has Trump been harder on Russia than Obama ever was?

 

[Hatuey]

Private Life? At least twice Berry publicly called his wife, (who suspiciously looks like a Ladyboy) "Michael."

Larry Sinclair wrote a book about his fling with Bathhouse Berry, and he has a lot more evidence than Stormy ever did.

What is a Larry Sinclair and why should I take him seriously? Wait, looked him up, he writes for world nut daily. That's insane, is that who you are paying attention to? The guys who predicted the end of the world half a dozen times? Anyways, is this him too?

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/...kground-has-undercurrent-election/1817738002/

You're listening to a convicted felon on gay bathhouse gossip.... And you're trying to drag everyone into a conversation about gay bathhouse gossip.

I bet you tell a lot of people about how manly you are.



Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[Athanasius68]

Every time trump lied about his business dealings with Russia, Russia knew the truth and had kompromat over a United States president. Just thought you’d appreciate the reminder.

And how has Russia used this alleged komporat? Trump sells arms to the Ukraine; he promotes the use of American and saudi fossil fuel; he strikes energy deals with Poland and Balkans; he gets NATO countries to increase defense spending; he imposes sanctions on various Russian officials and institutions.
Its not 2017 anymore; his term is 50% complete. Its time to show this 'kompromat' as opposed to airly stating it as a theoretical possibility.

 

[Cardinal]

And how has Russia used this alleged komporat? Trump sells arms to the Ukraine; he promotes the use of American and saudi fossil fuel; he strikes energy deals with Poland and Balkans; he gets NATO countries to increase defense spending; he imposes sanctions on various Russian officials and institutions.
Its not 2017 anymore; his term is 50% complete. Its time to show this 'kompromat' as opposed to airly stating it as a theoretical possibility.

I just did.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Beyond speculation, what evidence do you have that these positions were intended to sweeten any deal?

In any event, Trump DID impose sanctions for Russian actions in Crimea and he DID green light selling arms to Ukraine.

Congress imposed sanctions on Russia. Not Trump. The resolution passed by such a large margin that Trump had no choice but to sign it or risk the embarrassment oh having his veto overridden. Trump substantially watered down those sanctions by continuously delaying their implementation and by directing his Secretary of the Treasury to suspend the imposition of sanctions upon some of the most important members of Putin's government and Russian oligarchs. At the GOP convention where Trump was nominated there was a mysterious change made to the GOP party platform that weakened US support for Ukraine. Was that to please his Russian benefactors so they would continue to work behind the scenes in support of his election? What does he say about what is happening in Ukraine now?

Trump did nothing to try to "weaken NATO".

He has stubbornly refused to say that the US would invoke Article 5 if one or more NATO member nations were to come under attack. Article 5, collective defense, in which an attack against one member of NATO will be regarded as being attack against all is the most important underpinning of the NATO alliance. It's what gives it it's teeth to deter aggression by actors such as Russia.

Looks to me like you are making wild, unsubstantiated connections to separate, unrelated issues and events.

The President's statement in regard to the Russia and Saudi Arabia seem to clearly indicate that if you pay us we will avert our eyes and voice to whatever transgressions against human rights and even outright atrocities you might commit to assert or further your power.

 

[Athanasius68]

Congress imposed sanctions on Russia. Not Trump. The resolution passed by such a large margin that Trump had no choice but to sign it or risk the embarrassment oh having his veto overridden. Trump substantially watered down those sanctions by continuously delaying their implementation and by directing his Secretary of the Treasury to suspend the imposition of sanctions upon some of the most important members of Putin's government and Russian oligarchs. At the GOP convention where Trump was nominated there was a mysterious change made to the GOP that weakened US support for Ukraine. Was that to please his Russian benefactors so they would continue to work behind the scenes in support of his election? What does he say about what is happening in Ukraine now?





He has stubbornly refused to say that the US would invoke Article 5 if one or more NATO member nations were to come under attack. Article 5, collective defense, in which an attack against one member of NATO will be regarded as being attack against all is the most important underpinning of the NATO alliance. It's what gives it it's teeth to deter aggression by actors such as Russia.





The President's statement in regard to the Russia and Saudi Arabia seem to clearly indicate that if you pay us we will avert our eyes and voice to whatever transgressions against human rights and even outright atrocities you might commit to assert or further your power.

1. The Trump admin has sold arms to Ukraine. That is far more than what the Obama Admin was willing to do. Its almost 2019, not 2016. Whatever platform change occurred that year is irrelevent.

2. Different sanctions have been imposed by Trump on Russis. But yes-- he opposed the Congressional ones.

3. He has demanded that NATO increase its defense spending. And NATO has responded. Thats what gives teeth to NATO.

3. Realpolitick-- its legit critique when it comes to Saudi machinations though.
But it seems that throwing Riyadh under the bus would be in Iranian interests. Does Trump have deals with Tehran?