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Michael Cohen pleads guilty to lying to Congress about Trump real estate project in Russia

Khayembii Communique said:
Just recently Giuliani claimed that what Cohen plead to is what Trump stated in his written answers.

Trump this morning said Cohen is lying.

So which is it?
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Ugh! Sometimes Trump is his own worst enemy...

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JANFU said:
The Trump family, Jared, Ivanka and others like many did not think Trump would win. They were wheeling and dealing to make money of the Presidential Campaign, deals with other countries. And after he won they have expanded their deals, a number no doubt murky. And seeing the Ivanka was dumb enough to use a private email, who knows who she and Jared have had dealing with. That bungled property deal by Jared would have sunk the business or caused deep financial damage.
Mueller has Trumps tax records and they will lead to who outside of the US was investing with or buying off Trump
One thing I am sure of, Mueller does know
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I totally agree with this. This is ALSO why they KNEW and why Cohen is pleading guilty to charges now.

ITS been known, These russian dealings were NOT back door super secret squire dealings


Manafort is falling apart as a star witness
Cohen blew it when his lawyer said he has credible evidence from Cohen about the Trump Tower meeting, that fell apart.


Not sure what people are so excited about I really do NOT think this is going to be more "implications" on trump...

Just dumb people, doing dumb things... hell Again in relation to Trump Russia real estate deals really Mueller didnt know and this is ground breaking LOL.....
 
Exactice said:
I totally agree with this. This is ALSO why they KNEW and why Cohen is pleading guilty to charges now.

ITS been known, These russian dealings were NOT back door super secret squire dealings


Manafort is falling apart as a star witness
Cohen blew it when his lawyer said he has credible evidence from Cohen about the Trump Tower meeting, that fell apart.


Not sure what people are so excited about I really do NOT think this is going to be more "implications" on trump...

Just dumb people, doing dumb things... hell Again in relation to Trump Russia real estate deals really Mueller didnt know and this is ground breaking LOL.....
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Remember the take home test Trump had. Well when he submitted that document to Mueller, he best not have lied. And we know that Trump has a severe aversion to truth, facts and intelligence.
I mean he stated his gut is smarter than most people.
Wonder how he rates the IQ of his Bravo Mikes?
 
uptower said:
No Wednesday is fake news day. Tuesday is for only questionable sources. Friday is national lock-up-the-press day.
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Yes, but non-Trumpers believe today is Thursday!
 
JANFU said:
Remember the take home test Trump had. Well when he submitted that document to Mueller, he best not have lied. And we know that Trump has a severe aversion to truth, facts and intelligence.
I mean he stated his gut is smarter than most people.
Wonder how he rates the IQ of his Bravo Mikes?
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There is an official ‘Bravo-Mike” collector..........
 
j-mac said:
The answer to that right now is no.

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Actually the current answer more accurately is, "not that we know of". Which is a fair answer, though it's subject to change.
 
trixare4kids said:
He had business dealings in the past... He had NO business dealings at the time he said the above.
Is this really that hard for you to understand that he did not lie?
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Did you read the pleadings? Apparently not.
 
JANFU said:
Remember the take home test Trump had. Well when he submitted that document to Mueller, he best not have lied. And we know that Trump has a severe aversion to truth, facts and intelligence.
I mean he stated his gut is smarter than most people.
Wonder how he rates the IQ of his Bravo Mikes?
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Couple things with the take home test....

Likely looked over and corroborated by his Legal team.. So if hes going down they ALL are going down.


Again though...... Cohen's histroy is NOT the most credible.

HOW can you hide BUSINESS Russians Real Estate Dealings. COMMON Mueller and half the WORLD knew about Russia Trump Tower. So its NO secret. IT was COHEN's Dumb assumption to TRY and lie to match a presidents comment. Presidents comment was not under oath about not having Russia business dealings.... Cohen's was.. And again.. WITH that.. context applies as again the WORLD knew about Kushner there and Trump wanting to build another hotel in Russia....
 
Exactice said:
I totally agree with this. This is ALSO why they KNEW and why Cohen is pleading guilty to charges now.

ITS been known, These russian dealings were NOT back door super secret squire dealings


Manafort is falling apart as a star witness
Cohen blew it when his lawyer said he has credible evidence from Cohen about the Trump Tower meeting, that fell apart.


Not sure what people are so excited about I really do NOT think this is going to be more "implications" on trump..

Just dumb people, doing dumb things... hell Again in relation to Trump Russia real estate deals really Mueller didnt know and this is ground breaking LOL.....
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But ......But....BUT... Manafort! Assange!...Ecuadorian Embassy or what other outrage of the day. Cohen is a liar...surprise surprise. His value as a witness is diminished

Presidents attorney .: Mr. Cohen you are a convicted liar. Were you lying then or are you lying now?

I'll wait to see Mueller's report and Trump's rebuttal report before indicting Trump.

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trixare4kids said:
I didn't accuse you of getting paid for writing Trump fiction.
I said too bad you don't.
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I think Trumpkin is deserving of pay. Its just perfection in so many ways.
 
j-mac said:
Ok, we're pretty civil today so I'll leave it at that...

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Thanks for your civility too, J-Mac.

We can see politically that things seem to be moving to a head, so to me civility seems to be more important than ever.

And that goes in spades as the holidays are upon us, as everyone gets stressed over them too.
 
trixare4kids said:
How does it change what I wrote above?

:coffeepap
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Because the negotiations with the Kremlin about Trump Tower Moscow were going on when Don Jr. was meeting with Russians in Trump tower NYC to get dirt on Hillary. And everyone lied about it including Trump. Still think this is a witch hunt?
 
trixare4kids said:
He had business dealings in the past... He had NO business dealings at the time he said the above.
Is this really that hard for you to understand that he did not lie?
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Yes, it's hard to understand that you don't yet know that Trump routinely lies about everything big and small. He lies about his lies. He lies about things that have no important either way, no one knows for sure why.

"I have nothing to do with Russia."
"To the best of my knowledge no person that I deal with does. (have anything to do with Russia)."

But worse, despite those lies, his entire line of answers and tweets is intended to show he "has nothing to do with Russia", when clearly, factually, he was trying to work the Trump Tower Moscow deal...at that time. He's lying occasionally, and misleading the *entire time*. Why are you defending him on this? It's not illegal, he chose to lie/mislead, you should oppose his bad behaviors, and support his good ones...else, why would Donald ever mend his ways?

 
iguanaman said:
Because the negotiations with the Kremlin about Trump Tower Moscow were going on when Don Jr. was meeting with Russians in Trump tower NYC to get dirt on Hillary. And everyone lied about it including Trump. Still "think" this is a witch hunt?
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And they don't think, only consume alt-right politcal porn and blindly fanatic, ther's not thinking to it other than the old lizard brain fear responbse about minorities becoming majorities. That fear these people have isn't necessarily racism, it's the ABSOLUE TERROR that whites will no longer be a vast majority voting block, that scares these people to incontinance.:roll:
 
JANFU said:
The Trump family, Jared, Ivanka and others like many did not think Trump would win. They were wheeling and dealing to make money of the Presidential Campaign, deals with other countries. And after he won they have expanded their deals, a number no doubt murky. And seeing the Ivanka was dumb enough to use a private email, who knows who she and Jared have had dealing with. That bungled property deal by Jared would have sunk the business or caused deep financial damage.
Mueller has Trumps tax records and they will lead to who outside of the US was investing with or buying off Trump
One thing I am sure of, Mueller does know
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This is what too often happens when you're born into wealth & privilege, and your family's money and power takes care of all your problems from the day you leave the womb. You tend to run through the grey areas - or even black areas - because quite honestly many of society's rules simply do not apply to you. It comes with your privilege. Then if & when society's normal rules are enforced upon you, it causes great difficulties. You lack the proper individual judgment and discernment in these matters.

Those like trump and his kids often have difficulties adhering to programs requiring monitoring & adherence. They get kicked-out of drug-rehabs, and brought up on criminal probation violations. They often have a hard time maintaining fidelity in their marriages, or maintaining stable employment if they become a merit based employee.

It's because of the tendencies above, his global business conflicts of interest notwithstanding, that I could not vote for someone like Trump to be President. It's even more incredulous, that he'd be allowed to have our government run nepotistically through his family of like individuals. It's an absolute recipe for disaster, and we are indeed seeing this.
 
Desert Storm said:
If Cohen has just admitted he's a liar, you can then throw all his other testimony out the window, because he has just become an unreliable witness
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This may be true but it is all the more reason to believe that Mueller has corroborating evidence of everything Cohen is now saying. So I would not be celebrating if I were you.
 
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