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Yeah, fine. believe whatever jabberwocky BS your TDS requires. :roll:Tariffs had nothing to do with it.
Yeah, fine. believe whatever jabberwocky BS your TDS requires. :roll:Tariffs had nothing to do with it.
Yeah, fine. believe whatever jabberwocky BS your TDS requires. :roll:
LOL Yeah, who you going to believe the NYT or your lying eyes? :lol: When was an official document between the countries signed, before Trump threatened tariffs or after? Do you seriously believe a secret discussion between a couple of third-tier officials carries the same weigh as a publicly signed document?I don't have Trump Devotion Syndrome. The article shows that the deal had nothing to do with tariffs, and that's not my fault.
Trump has empowered Khamenei and disempowered moderating forces in Iran, you do see that?
I know that yet another "Trump lied" story is incredibly quaint by now, but it does beg two important questions:
1) How has our country managed to function while its head of state has had precisely zero credibility?
2) Could I lie to people infinity times and just...get away with it?"
Mexico Never Agreed to Farm Deal With U.S., Contradicting Trump - Bloomberg
Prediction that I will deserve no credit for making: trump supporters will pretend to doubt the veracity of the story. Then, upon realizing that denying the article is futile after realizing later in the thread that they didn't read the totality of it, they'll move on to "so what?" or "ha ha tds."
LOL Yeah, who you going to believe the NYT or your lying eyes? :lol: When was an official document between the countries signed, before Trump threatened tariffs or after? Do you seriously believe a secret discussion between a couple of third-tier officials carries the same weigh as a publicly signed document?
Trump has realized that there are millions out there just as ignorant as he is. It doesn't matter that Mexico never agreed to do that. Trump said they did, therefore, it's a huge win for Trumpism.
Trump is allowing the country that supported the 9/11 attacks to have nuclear weapons.
Why do trump supporters always have to go through with this strange ritual where they deny the story for a few pages after finally accepting it? Just fast forward to the point where you say, "Don't care" already.
A few points, Winston. First, Iran is not a democracy in any real sense; it is an autocracy ruled over by the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamanei who has absolute authority over Iran's government and its people in turn. So how exactly was he disempowered by prior administrations versus Donald Trump's now?
As for "moderating forces" within Iran, who are they exactly? And further, how were they exercising their moderating influence? Outside of a revolution, how exactly were moderating forces going to be empowered, when the only one who legally has the final say over who is empowered or disempowered is literally the Supreme Leader? At that point, they are simply co-opted puppets of the regime and not moderates at all, like the humbug moderate cleric Hassan Rouhani.
North Korea is not part of Mexico, nor is Mexico a province of North Korea; what's your point? I made the point elsewhere that Mexico STILL HAS to follow through on this deal. Just like every other international agree since the beginning of time signing a document isn't the proof - follow through is.
"Mexico gave him cover"? WTF are you talking about?Yes after every economist and advisor warned against the tariffs, the Mexicans gave him some cover to drop the issue. Do you believe he will be bringing up tariffs again soon?
I'm not sure where anybody claimed that Iran is a Democracy. But what's important is that like any country, Iran does have extreme right wing and more moderate political parties, just like our own. And just like our own, more moderate parties are strengthened by moderate foreign policies, and our own far right parties are more strengthened by extremist right wing foreign policies (this includes acts of terrorism as well). So why should it be surprising that Trump's policies have strengthened Iran's far right party and delegitimized the positions of their more moderate parties?
A few points, Winston. First, Iran is not a democracy in any real sense; it is an autocracy ruled over by the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamanei who has absolute authority over Iran's government and its people in turn. So how exactly was he disempowered by prior administrations versus Donald Trump's now?
As for "moderating forces" within Iran, who are they exactly? And further, how were they exercising their moderating influence? Outside of a revolution, how exactly were moderating forces going to be empowered, when the only one who legally has the final say over who is empowered or disempowered is literally the Supreme Leader? At that point, they are simply co-opted puppets of the regime and not moderates at all, like the humbug moderate cleric Hassan Rouhani.
"Mexico gave him cover"? WTF are you talking about?
I saw earlier today he's inviting China to re-start trade negotiations. Answer your question?
Nope. Not fixed but at least we're working on it. Too bad the House can't say the same thing.Mexico said OK we will send our National Guard to the border. Now he can say he solved the problem, Mexico avoids the tariffs, we don't have to discuss this (immigration) any longer because he fixed it.
Not sure you're qualified or knowledgeable enough to speak as to what the "rest of the world" realizes.JMR said:It is truly sad that the rest of the world realizes that to deal with Trump just make him think he's fantastic, and there you go!
I'm not sure where anybody claimed that Iran is a Democracy. But what's important is that like any country, Iran does have extreme right wing and more moderate political parties, just like our own. And just like our own, more moderate parties are strengthened by moderate foreign policies, and our own far right parties are more strengthened by extremist right wing foreign policies (this includes acts of terrorism as well). So why should it be surprising that Trump's policies have strengthened Iran's far right party and delegitimized the positions of their more moderate parties?
Doesn't explain why Mexico rushed to Washington. How exactly did Mexico "promise"? A binding international agreement? Or just informal "promises at "super secret meetings"? What actions had the actually taken? Sorry, no cigar.
Nope. Not fixed but at least we're working on it. Too bad the House can't say the same thing.
Not sure you're qualified or knowledgeable enough to speak as to what the "rest of the world" realizes.
I am not "qualified" but I do read a bit about the subject.
How the world sees the U.S. and Trump in 9 charts | Pew Research Center
Rating World Leaders: 2019 Report | Gallup.com
World Leaders Like to Flatter Trump. It Never Works. - The Atlantic
Yaaawwwwnnnnnn.I am not "qualified" but I do read a bit about the subject.
How the world sees the U.S. and Trump in 9 charts | Pew Research Center
Rating World Leaders: 2019 Report | Gallup.com
World Leaders Like to Flatter Trump. It Never Works. - The Atlantic
And what will the world do if he wins a second term? I can see everybody holding out for four years; but eight?
Yaaawwwwnnnnnn.
This is the problem with the OP's citation AND the way the Anti-Trump elements look at these issues.
Mexico had agreed to take actions Trump was citing "months ago" and yet did not. Trump got fed up with recent border crossing numbers occurring despite Mexico's prior agreements...so he "took action."
He openly demands that Mexico either take steps to act, or face tariffs until they do. They decided to act, he then reversed on the tariffs.
FRAMING is the key, and the Left always tries to frame his actions in the worst light possible.
Mexico had agreed to take actions Trump was citing "months ago" and yet did not.