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Man arrested for driving through protest crowd

Deuce said:
Intentionally hitting a person with a car is using a car as a weapon, it doesn’t matter where they were standing. Being in the road doesn’t make someone automatically a threat.
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Blocking the road and terrorizing, assaulting motorists is a crime.
 
apdst said:
No, I wouldn't like that, but I'll be ok, probably. You folks on the Left? You're probably ****ed, judging from what we've seen over the past few months when Leftists have been left to their own devices.
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They may stumble, but they will learn from the attempt and return stronger. There are many people who do not want these protests to succeed in their goals. But when you believe in something strongly enough, and are willing to put in the necessary labor and sacrifice, sometimes you can make miracles happen.
 
Ikari said:
Yes, so when someone tries to run over someone with a car, they have the right to defend themselves, yes?
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Weaponizing a protest in the road is a crime. That's like saying a burglar can kill a homeowner in self defense, because the homeowner was going to shoot him.

Driving down the road: legal

Blocking the road with a weaponized protest: illegal
 
Ikari said:
I don't necessarily care where people are, using a car as a weapon cannot be condoned. I'm happy that no one was hurt here and the suspect is in custody.
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what if you are surrounded by an angry crowd and afraid they may break open your windows and try to kill you?
 
Irredentist said:
They may stumble, but they will learn from the attempt and return stronger. There are many people who do not want these protests to succeed in their goals. But when you believe in something strongly enough, and are willing to put in the necessary labor and sacrifice, sometimes you can make miracles happen.
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Did you notice the cluster**** that the CHAZ turned into?
 
Ikari said:
If everyone were a rational actor, that would be fine. But irrational behavior exists on all sides, so it mostly throws a wrench into things. Vigilantism doesn't often produce the best or most desired results. A free state requires a small, accountable, but existent government. We have the police and the courts so that we can make sure when someone has committed a crime that its investigated properly and evidence to that crime presented fairly and judged by a jury of our peers.

Guns may aid the individual in moments of crisis, but anarchy and vigilantism is no replacement for tempered laws and justice.
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All of the protests, violence, and chaos we have seen has occured precisely because the police, and the criminal justice system as a whole, have failed to do their jobs, to provide that tempered justice. I would like to see police reform too. But I very much doubt the sincerity of their desire to do so, and I would rather see them non-existent, than remain as they are now.
 
apdst said:
Did you notice the cluster**** that the CHAZ turned into?
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What about it? I thought it was rather well organized for the most part, considering the complete lack of any formal leadership structure. It even had its own resource distribution center and medical staff.
 
Irredentist said:
What about it? I thought it was rather well organized for the most part, considering the complete lack of any formal leadership structure. It even had its own resource distribution center and medical staff.
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It was about as organized as a monkey **** fight at the zoo...lol.

But! What was the first thing they did? Do you know?
 
Irredentist said:
Go on, I'm not waiting around all day.
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They formed a police force, gave them guns and impowered them to enforce the law. They ****ed it up right away, but that's what they did.
 
apdst said:
They formed a police force, gave them guns and impowered them to enforce the law. They ****ed it up right away, but that's what they did.
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So what? First attempts, like I said.
 
apdst said:
Self defense is a human right.
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Yes, but “kill every random person who happens to be in the street when I’m going to work” doesn’t qualify as self defense.
 
Hypothetical said:
what if you are surrounded by an angry crowd and afraid they may break open your windows and try to kill you?
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Probably wouldn't drive into them in the first place, yes?
 
Ikari said:
If everyone were a rational actor, that would be fine. But irrational behavior exists on all sides, so it mostly throws a wrench into things. Vigilantism doesn't often produce the best or most desired results. A free state requires a small, accountable, but existent government. We have the police and the courts so that we can make sure when someone has committed a crime that its investigated properly and evidence to that crime presented fairly and judged by a jury of our peers.

Guns may aid the individual in moments of crisis, but anarchy and vigilantism is no replacement for tempered laws and justice.
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The irrational action starts with people illegally blocking the road. Then, you advocate their use of violence against law abiding citizens who do not comply with their illegal, weaponized road block. You might want to get in check on that one.
 
apdst said:
Yeah, no thanks. :lamo
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No? You and me, we're self sufficient men, aren't we? We can take care of ourselves. What have we to fear? The police don't do a very good job of stopping crime anyway. It would hardly be any different.
 
Ikari said:
Probably wouldn't drive into them in the first place, yes?
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What if they attacked your car? You're going to just sit there until they break in, drag you out and beat your ass?
 
apdst said:
The irrational action starts with people illegally blocking the road. Then, you advocate their use of violence against law abiding citizens who do not comply with their illegal, weaponized road block. You might want to get in check on that one.
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A blocked road doesn’t threaten your life. Do you make a habit of killing every road construction crew you come across?
 
Irredentist said:
No? You and me, we're self sufficient men, aren't we? We can take care of ourselves. What have we to fear? The police don't do a very good job of stopping crime anyway. It would hardly be any different.
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We've already seen how different it can be without the police.
 
Deuce said:
A blocked road doesn’t threaten your life. Do you make a habit of killing every road construction crew you come across?
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What if the people blocking the road do? Then what? Wait to die?

Are you saying the weaponized road blocks are justified in using deadly force?
 
apdst said:
What if they attacked your car? You're going to just sit there until they break in, drag you out and beat your ass?
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Goalpost shift. At least now you admit being in the road is not inherently threatening.

Yes, if your life is in danger, defend yourself. Why do you think anyone was arguing differently?
 
apdst said:
What if the people blocking the road do? Then what? Wait to die?
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No, then you defend yourself. What the **** do you think people are arguing? ‘Self defense is always wrong?’ No wonder you’re so goddamned confused.
 
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