Male Post-Conception Opt Out

[Bodi]

You have presented no new "logic," only moving goal posts and denial.

Your argument for parental cop-out convenience for men has moved into personal discussion cop-out "convenience" for you.

Carry on...it's all set out here for others to consider.

The sexism in your posts is pretty telling...

 

[Lursa]

The sexism in your posts is pretty telling...

Feel free to post an example.

 

[Bodi]

Feel free to post an example.

Oh, you think that mother's that get abortions are "copping-out" of parenthood too then?

 

[Lursa]

Oh, you think that mother's that get abortions are "copping-out" of parenthood too then?

Of course they are not...they are not placing any burden on anyone else and are accepting a consequence of their actions.

 

[Bodi]

Of course they are not...they are not placing any burden on anyone else and are accepting a consequence of their actions.

There it is... the sexism. You fail to understand why, or at best, post lies about it. Either way, I don't care. :shrug:

 

[Lursa]

There it is... the sexism. You fail to understand why, or at best, post lies about it. Either way, I don't care. :shrug:

No sexism...pure fact. Feel free to point out the lie.

If a (legal) man gestating were to abort, my reply would be exactly the same.

No sexism at all :mrgreen:

edit: Oh! but wait, dont forget you cannot use biology in your response about my supposed lie! That's a no-no, according to the OP.

 

[Bodi]

No sexism...pure fact. Feel free to point out the lie.

If a (legal) man gestating were to abort, my reply would be exactly the same.

No sexism at all :mrgreen:

edit: Oh! but wait, dont forget you cannot use biology in your response about my supposed lie! That's a no-no, according to the OP.

I tried... not every student is capable of learning the lesson though. :shrug:



Toodles ... :2wave:

 

[Lursa]

I tried... not every student is capable of learning the lesson though. :shrug:



Toodles ... :2wave:

Ah...abandoning the discussion once more without being able to provide your proof? Not able to provide proof of lie or sexism?

Nothing new here folks! Feel free to peruse the conversation for the true nature of the failed cop-out proposal; it remains even when its creator abandons it.

 

[AGENT J]

Nope...you are making a legal argument for equality. I have clearly proven that the law currently applies equally to men and women.

No matter how many times you post this lie it will never be true because facts and legality prove it wrong, PLEASE continue to try though because watching it fail over and over is hilarious.

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet?

 

[calamity]

No matter how many times you post this lie it will never be true because facts and legality prove it wrong, PLEASE continue to try though because watching it fail over and over is hilarious.

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet?

Nope. THey are equal.

 

[Lursa]

Nope. THey are equal.

Of course they are. It's very simple and clear...and based on law alone. Both posted earlier:

No, it's accurate.

Today, people legally recognized as men gestate. That man has the same right to opt-out of parenthood...he is legally entitled to an abortion.

Equal.​

The law applies equally to both. Has nothing to do with biology, as the OP requested.

No no no! You have claimed that biology has NOTHING to do with this argument. :mrgreen:

And your post is about a LEGAL argument, a LEGAL 'opt-out.' Nothing to do with biology, you've claimed that over and over and over.

And so I am showing that a LEGALLY recognized man would have EQUAL opportunity under the current laws to opt-out as women.

You have sooooo failed here...hoisted with your own petard "it's not about biology!"

:lamo :lamo​

So a man 'can' opt-out of parenthood, just like a woman. Any other arguments would bring the options that biology determines into it...and we cant have that, now can we?

 

[AGENT J]

Nope. THey are equal.

facts, and legality > than your lies and feelings

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet?

 

[AGENT J]

Of course they are. It's very simple and clear...and based on law alone. Both posted earlier:

No, it's accurate.

Today, people legally recognized as men gestate. That man has the same right to opt-out of parenthood...he is legally entitled to an abortion.

Equal.​

The law applies equally to both. Has nothing to do with biology, as the OP requested.

No no no! You have claimed that biology has NOTHING to do with this argument. :mrgreen:

And your post is about a LEGAL argument, a LEGAL 'opt-out.' Nothing to do with biology, you've claimed that over and over and over.

And so I am showing that a LEGALLY recognized man would have EQUAL opportunity under the current laws to opt-out as women.

You have sooooo failed here...hoisted with your own petard "it's not about biology!"

:lamo :lamo​

So a man 'can' opt-out of parenthood, just like a woman. Any other arguments would bring the options that biology determines into it...and we cant have that, now can we?

another post, more lies and another delicious fail since its factually not true and facts and legally prove that that

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet?


opcorn2:

 

[trouble13]

I tried... not every student is capable of learning the lesson though. :shrug:



Toodles ... :2wave:

Putting her on ignore was the best thing ever.

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[trouble13]

What people who support unequal laws can't overcome in this debate is one very simple fact.
A woman has the legal right to terminate a pregnancy for the sole purpose of fulfilling her desire to not be a parent. Her right to abort is not limited to health risks. She has the freedom to abort for any reason she wants.

Men on the other hand, are held as legal hostages to whatever the woman decides. He has no rights what so ever but faces legal culpability for a decission made without his consent.

Even the argument that the law is equal because if a surrogate is involved, the woman cant abort the child during the pregnancy, is a logical fallacy; because the woman made the choice to use a surrogate to begin with. The fact that she cant change her mind after the fact is really a flawed conflation of equality.

There are male rape victims that not only did the courts award custody of his child to his rape victim, but they are also court order to provide his rapist with finacial support. I dont know this for a fact, but it would not surprise in the least, if some of these male victims have restraining orders on them preventing them from having contact with thier children to boot.

The law does not even give men the courtesy of requiring the mother to inform the father that she's pregnant, allowing him adequate time to prepare for fatherhood. Nor does the law require that she ever inform the father that he has a child. The law however does allow that same woman who witholds that rather pertinent information, to later go after the father for years of back support, after she denied him the right of being a father to that child while it was growing up.

I get why these laws came into being once upon a time ago but society has evolved past the need or usefulness of them. Its time to reexamine them and rewrite them to reflect modern societal needs.

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[Lursa]

Putting her on ignore was the best thing ever.

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Works for me, since I'll continue to refute your arguments and you wont be able to defend them...but they'll remain for everyone else to consider. :mrgreen:

 

[Lursa]

another post, more lies and another delicious fail since its factually not true and facts and legally prove that that

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet?


opcorn2:

If you had even read my post, you couldnt write that (at least, not honestly.) I provided only facts AND legal aspects. You didnt refute a single thing I wrote.

 

[AGENT J]

If you had even read my post, you couldnt write that (at least, not honestly.) I provided only facts AND legal aspects. You didnt refute a single thing I wrote.

Once again another post, more lies and another fail since its factually not true and facts and legally prove that. Stomp your feet, hold your breath and post lies over and over again it just furthers my entertainment as your false claims delicious fail each time

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant LMAO



Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!

 

[Bodi]

No matter how many times you post this lie it will never be true because facts and legality prove it wrong, PLEASE continue to try though because watching it fail over and over is hilarious.

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet?

One of the most stupid and dishonest arguments in the history of the human race is to argue that both men and women have equal rights to abortion, because if a man was pregnant he is legally allowed to get an abortion just like a woman. It is so stupid that it defies belief that any person would ever dare utter it. But that is the kind of garbage that we have to deal with I guess...

 

[Bodi]

Putting her on ignore was the best thing ever.

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I have her on Ignore... I sometimes, stupidly, read her posts and respond though...

 

[Lursa]

One of the most stupid and dishonest arguments in the history of the human race is to argue that both men and women have equal rights to abortion, because if a man was pregnant he is legally allowed to get an abortion just like a woman. It is so stupid that it defies belief that any person would ever dare utter it. But that is the kind of garbage that we have to deal with I guess...

Are you saying that a legally-recognized man gestating would be denied an abortion? Or would not have sole decision on that?

It's not garbage...legally-recognized pregnant/gestating men already exist.

What's stupid is the denial of these facts.

 

[Lursa]

Once again another post, more lies and another fail since its factually not true and facts and legally prove that. Stomp your feet, hold your breath and post lies over and over again it just furthers my entertainment as your false claims delicious fail each time

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality (Lursa: correct: and the laws apply equally to gestating legally-recognized men. So: equal)
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality. (Lurse: agreed and my response is based only on legal aspects, not biology.)

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant LMAO



Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!

No need to change the facts...the law applies equally to men and women.

If you had even read my post, you couldnt write that (at least, not honestly.) I provided only facts AND legal aspects. You didnt refute a single thing I wrote.

 

[Lursa]

I have her on Ignore... I sometimes, stupidly, read her posts and respond though...

Once more, for the cheap seats:

Works for me, since I'll continue to refute your arguments and you wont be able to defend them...but they'll remain for everyone else to consider. :mrgreen:​

 

[AGENT J]

No need to change the facts...the law applies equally to men and women.

BOOM just like i thought!!
another delicious fail and lie, this keep getting better and better I love it!! LMAO

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant LMAO



Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!

 

[AGENT J]

One of the most stupid and dishonest arguments in the history of the human race is to argue that both men and women have equal rights to abortion, because if a man was pregnant he is legally allowed to get an abortion just like a woman. It is so stupid that it defies belief that any person would ever dare utter it. But that is the kind of garbage that we have to deal with I guess...

LMAO

it doesnt matter what dishonest laughable retarded lie anybody tries they all fail and will continue to fail because facts and legality prove them factually wrong. :shrug: