Male Post-Conception Opt Out

[Lursa]

Ignore is capitalized for a reason... try and figure it out.

Wow! That one really cut deep! Devastating blow there!

Seriously, this is what you've been reduced to? Argument by capitalization fraud? Death by a thousand cuts? :lol:

Can you continue to find a new way to make your old cop-out proposal work or not? It's a discussion forum. You have yet to refute the fact that legally-recognized gestating men do indeed have equal access to opt-out of parenthood just like women. Your denials & goalpost moving notwithstanding...it's a valid legal point and demonstrates that the law applies equally to men and women.

 

[Bodi]

Wow! That one really cut deep! Devastating blow there!

Seriously, this is what you've been reduced to? Argument by capitalization fraud? Death by a thousand cuts? :lol:

Can you continue to find a new way to make your old cop-out proposal work or not? It's a discussion forum. You have yet to refute the fact that legally-recognized gestating men do indeed have equal access to opt-out of parenthood just like women. Your denials & goalpost moving notwithstanding...it's a valid legal point and demonstrates that the law applies equally to men and women.

Guess you can't figure it out so you are back to posting your old lies again... oh well. :2wave:

 

[Lursa]

Guess you can't figure it out so you are back to posting your old lies again... oh well. :2wave:

Right back atcha...dont forget to post where I lied tho...you know, when I post any.

 

[trouble13]

Guess you can't figure it out so you are back to posting your old lies again... oh well. :2wave:

I dont think she is incapable, i think she is a misandristic troll. She attempts to derail the topic and make it about womens issues. The truth is this thread has nothing to do with women. Its about how the law treats men.
Even her argument about why men should not have an opt out provision is based on how she feels it would negatively impact women. In her mind, men are obligated to base their personal choices on whats the most desirable outcome for the woman and if men are not willingly going to make that choice, then she wants the courts to force women's choice onto men.

When i have challenged her on that by suggesting women have an equal responsibility to make choices that are in the mans interests, she defaults to appeals to authority and appeals to biology as if either have any merit in this topic.

Its an endless merry-go-round ride with her. I will give the poster Masq due credit, at least he presents arguments that are on topic.

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[Lursa]

I dont think she is incapable, i think she is a misandristic troll. She attempts to derail the topic and make it about womens issues. The truth is this thread has nothing to do with women. Its about how the law treats men.

It's not remotely about women's issues. We all agree (or most) that abortion is a settled issue. What other women's issues are there? Child support laws are written to be applied equally for men and women...which I agree with. I'd like to see the courts favor men more equally than they do in actual application of the law.

It's not about women's issues at all...it's about whiny men that still want to have sex without consequences, which women have never been able to do and still cannot. Now (legally at least) men cant, so it is NOW equal.

 

[Lursa]

Even her argument about why men should not have an opt out provision is based on how she feels it would negatively impact women. In her mind, men are obligated to base their personal choices on whats the most desirable outcome for the woman and if men are not willingly going to make that choice, then she wants the courts to force women's choice onto men.

I dont ever address that. Feel free to post a quote where I do. Otherwise it's an outright lie. My position is always on how it impacts the kids and taxpayers.

I do discuss women's consequences when we make their decisions to have sex. And guess what...they are all determined by our differing biology. You can deny that all you want but it's 100% true.

 

[Lursa]

When i have challenged her on that by suggesting women have an equal responsibility to make choices that are in the mans interests, she defaults to appeals to authority and appeals to biology as if either have any merit in this topic.

I post over and over again that women must accept the consequences of their decisions to have sex. And I spell out the consequences. The issue is that you dont like that we have different consequences from men and you want the man to be able to decide HER consequences too...in HIS best interests. And again, there's no denying that those consequences are all biologically determined.

Well too bad...you dont have the right to do so. It's her body, her health, her risk of death.

But I never ever write that women should be able (if it were possible) to escape the consequences of their decisions (face their responsibilities) to have sex. If so, feel free to post that quote.

 

[weaver2]

I never try to branch out like that with association because usually it doesn't hold true at all

Im simply talking about one topic here and pointing out the fact that based on legality this situation, this specific situation is unequal based on legality. Nobody will be able to change that fact because facts dont care about feelings or lies or dishonesty but its fun watching people try.

Someone made the statement "Sex has consequences". It 's not branching out the topic to note that earlier in this thread the same persons that want to opt-out of child support for a child they conceived are now sanctimoniously claiming that sex has consequences. It's perfectly fair to point out the hypocrisy.

 

[AGENT J]

This argument is about post conception opt out of parenthood.... she has one and he does not.

Correct!
In fact one party has MULTIPLE options and the other does not unless consent is given by the other party to exercise said options. These facts will always make it unequal based on legality.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Someone made the statement "Sex has consequences".
2.) It 's not branching out the topic to note that earlier in this thread the same persons that want to opt-out of child support for a child they conceived are now sanctimoniously claiming that sex has consequences. It's perfectly fair to point out the hypocrisy.

1.) what does that have to do with me and what I said?
2.) again it most certainly is when it has nothing do with me

Like i said Who are you talking too? lol You response makes no sense to anything i said.

 

[Bodi]

I dont think she is incapable, i think she is a misandristic troll. She attempts to derail the topic and make it about womens issues. The truth is this thread has nothing to do with women. Its about how the law treats men.
Even her argument about why men should not have an opt out provision is based on how she feels it would negatively impact women. In her mind, men are obligated to base their personal choices on whats the most desirable outcome for the woman and if men are not willingly going to make that choice, then she wants the courts to force women's choice onto men.

When i have challenged her on that by suggesting women have an equal responsibility to make choices that are in the mans interests, she defaults to appeals to authority and appeals to biology as if either have any merit in this topic.

Its an endless merry-go-round ride with her. I will give the poster Masq due credit, at least he presents arguments that are on topic.

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Great post...

 

[Lursa]

Great post...

Ha ha, except that I already dismantled each of his points.

 

[weaver2]

The truth is this thread has nothing to do with women. Its about how the law treats men.

The question of opting-out of child support for a child a man conceived actually has quite a lot to do with women. It also has to do with society, government, morals and relationships.

 

[mrjurrs]

In the case of consentual sex, both parties gave consent to sex not parenthood. When an unplanned pregnancy occurs the woman has the legal right to terminate based on the sole reason that she does not want to be responsible for that child. The law offers the male no alternatives at all. The law even goes as far as holding men who did not give their consent and were raped or had their sperm stolen from them liable for the choices the woman made without his consent.

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No, any reasonable person knows that sex that can lead to pregnancy is different from sex that does not lead to pregnancy. He gave his consent when he participated. Could you give me the total number of males raped or victims of sperm theft? Have to think that that is a pretty small universe.

 

[mrjurrs]

Women argue that consent to sex is not consent to parenthood... you are arguing for a double standard and that is unequal.

The ubiquitous 'Women' say, argue, believe...Which women argue that?

 

[Bodi]

The ubiquitous 'Women' say, argue, believe...Which women argue that?

Lots of the women that argue that abortion should be a legal, viable choice for them... who else would it be referring to?

 

[Bodi]

No, any reasonable person knows that sex that can lead to pregnancy is different from sex that does not lead to pregnancy. He gave his consent when he participated. Could you give me the total number of males raped or victims of sperm theft? Have to think that that is a pretty small universe.

I bet that, literally, less than 1 man in ten million gives actual consent to being a parent before or by having sex.

How many times have you consented to being killed by a drunk driver when getting into your car for a drive?

 

[mrjurrs]

I bet that, literally, less than 1 man in ten million gives actual consent to being a parent before or by having sex.

How many times have you consented to being killed by a drunk driver when getting into your car for a drive?

And yet people are dying in DUI accidents.

 

[mrjurrs]

Women argue that consent to sex is not consent to parenthood... you are arguing for a double standard and that is unequal.

I'll tell you what. Make everything else equal for women and I'll change my position.

 

[Bodi]

And yet people are dying in DUI accidents.

Nice deflection... I win that argument by default, but it is a win none-the-less.

I'll tell you what. Make everything else equal for women and I'll change my position.

:lol: I love it... things are not equal for everybody so lets willingly and knowingly screw over the equality of some more people.

By your logic, since things are not equal for men in some circumstances, it is fine to screw over women where things are not equal.

Why do you support inequality? That is the real questions...

 

[mrjurrs]

Nice deflection... I win that argument by default, but it is a win none-the-less.



:lol: I love it... things are not equal for everybody so lets willingly and knowingly screw over the equality of some more people.

By your logic, since things are not equal for men in some circumstances, it is fine to screw over women where things are not equal.

Why do you support inequality? That is the real questions...

Not at all, women have been and currently are subjected to unfair disadvantages. Did you know that states charge sales tax on menstrual supplies and not condoms? How about the cost of dry cleaning a shirt? If you want to believe you won an argument, you should go buy yourself a trphy.

 

[Lursa]

Not at all, women have been and currently are subjected to unfair disadvantages. Did you know that states charge sales tax on menstrual supplies and not condoms? How about the cost of dry cleaning a shirt? If you want to believe you won an argument, you should go buy yourself a trphy.

:lamo

 

[Bodi]

Not at all, women have been and currently are subjected to unfair disadvantages. Did you know that states charge sales tax on menstrual supplies and not condoms? How about the cost of dry cleaning a shirt? If you want to believe you won an argument, you should go buy yourself a trphy.

Oh My God... I had no idea that women were treated with such vile contempt. They are practically slaves!! :lol:

...and I do not need a trophy to relish my victory.

 

[Bodi]

I see that I have a little stalker following me around... :lol:


:2wave:

 

[Lursa]

Ah this is great! I'll just park it here for consideration and future use.

More choices does not mean more rights! :lol: