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Is Impeachment A Winning Strategy?

Is Impeachment A Winning Strategy?

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Josie said:
People will interpret your question differently. Does "winning strategy" mean that Trump will lose or that Trump will win?
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That's really a stretch, but okay, let's say the poll question, in the abstract, is ambiguous. The OP itself, which is very brief, resolves whatever uncertainty resides in the question itself. Were the OP one of my editorial essays that bid one to read "a lot" to know the theme, tone and tenor of the poll question, I'd buy your comment. But Calamity's is no such OP.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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So since the Mueller ploy failed, the rest of the ideas look like they'll go the way of the Kavanaugh debacle, impeach seems to be a lost cause, doesn't look you're going to get your hands on the tax returns, it appears Trump had nothing to do with Russia, it looks like your new idea is to impeach President Trump in order to get your hands on something to impeach him for.

No, it would not be a popular position to take.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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We have the impeachment of Bill Jefferson "BJ" Clinton as a yardstick. The Republicans politically lost ground attempting to impeach Clinton. The Democrats will get a similar result if they attempt to impeach Trump.
 
calamity said:
I believe plenty of evidence has already been presented. Others do not. I get that.

That's why impeachment hearings would be a huge benefit for everyone.
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Our system doesn't work that way.
 
Mycroft said:
She might use impeachment, it won't be to remove Trump. She knows it won't work and she doesn't want to remove him. She wants to make sure he doesn't win the 2020 election.

But she could use it as a strategy to influence voters because it doesn't matter if he's not removed. It is still damage. All the Dem politicians, a number of Rep politicians and the entire multimedia echo chamber would continuously hammer "impeachment".

Her problem...and you alluded to it...is that she needs that Mueller report. She needs it redacted so she can find something to twist into justification for impeachment. It's not a sure thing that she'll get what she needs.

So, no matter what she says about not wanting to impeach...don't believe it.
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I think impeachment would backfire and just solidify Trump's base. He'll portray it as a an "attempted coup" and claim the impeachers are "traitors." It's not worth the effort or the risk.

Bottom line: The Democrats have to run an electable candidate.
 
impeachment isn't going to happen, as the Republican party will excuse any crime that he may have committed. run a good candidate, vote him out, and let him spend the rest of his life defending himself against NY state charges if he has actually committed a crime.
 
I'm peach forti fi and Pootin too!
 
jimbo said:
Does that have anything whatsoever to do with my post?
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Yes. Your post seemed to question making use of impeachment as a fishing expedition. Well, I find it ironic considering what happened 20 years ago.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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Not a yes or no answer. I have said before and say again that until the contents of the Mueller Report are made public, and congress is able to investigate the entire un-redacted report, most Americans will not be in favor of impeachment; I'm one of them.
 
calamity said:
Yes. Your post seemed to question making use of impeachment as a fishing expedition. Well, I find it ironic considering what happened 20 years ago.
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So, no, it doesn't.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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I would agree and say that the only way a credible charge could be made is if it;s one that really sticks and shows why he should be impeached.
 
calamity said:
So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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Impeachment would be be the biggest blunder Democrats could make.

2 things will certainly happen;

1) The Senate would never convict, because Trump hasn't committed any "crimes". Senate will exonerate.

2) There would be a tremendous backlash from Independent voters, and Trump will be all but guaranteed a second term.

It would go down as one of the biggest Political blunders in US history.
 
SkyChief said:
Impeachment would be be the biggest blunder Democrats could make.

2 things will certainly happen;

1) The Senate would never convict, because Trump hasn't committed any "crimes". Senate will exonerate.

2) There would be a tremendous backlash from Independent voters, and Trump will be all but guaranteed a second term.

It would go down as one of the biggest Political blunders in US history.
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I have no doubt Trump committed crimes. And I want Republicans on the record, approving his lawlessness.
 
calamity said:
I have no doubt Trump committed crimes. And I want Republicans on the record, approving his lawlessness.
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I predict when the Mueller Report is made public, there will be no impeachable crimes.

Democrats will ignore the report and attempt to fabricate crimes. The House will continue investigating obstruction or collusion, or whatever, right up to the General Election on November 3rd, 2020.

They will waste hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, and come up empty-handed, as usual.

Independents are the largest voting bloc in this country. (Democrats: 31%, Republicans: 24%, Independents: 42%)

They're growing weary of the failed policies of the left. . . . . Independent voters will decide who the next president is.

Trump's chances for re-election look very good in 2020. :usflag2:
 
As a political strategy? No. It'll be shot down in the Senate. It should only be attempted if they think they have a clear reason to try and remove the president. A lot of Republicans will have to agree.

So impeachment should not be used as a means to an end, only as properly intended. But in terms of all the dirt it would uncover leading up to 2020, that would be juicy. However various other investigations already planned or underway will do that job nicely too.

The Brits have a saying, the higher a monkey climbs up a tree the more it shows its bum. Trump's grubby business past is already under the spotlight simply because he's now in the limelight. Expect it to continue.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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It depends what you think that we would be winning?
 
calamity said:
Funny. I bet you were fine with the impeachment for a blow job.
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There never was an impeachment over a blow job. If sexual improprieties were cause for impeachment, Trump would have been gone on day 1. Clinton was impeached over perjury.
 
SkyChief said:
I predict when the Mueller Report is made public, there will be no impeachable crimes.

Democrats will ignore the report and attempt to fabricate crimes. The House will continue investigating obstruction or collusion, or whatever, right up to the General Election on November 3rd, 2020.

They will waste hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, and come up empty-handed, as usual.

Independents are the largest voting bloc in this country. (Democrats: 31%, Republicans: 24%, Independents: 42%)

They're growing weary of the failed policies of the left. . . . . Independent voters will decide who the next president is.

Trump's chances for re-election look very good in 2020. :usflag2:
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Those independents you speak of are also getting very tired of Trump's shenanigans, his prevarications, his ranting and hooting about what he's going to do when we all know he isn't.
 
calamity said:
IMO, impeachment is warranted. It will also enable Congress to get their hands on all the evidence they need to build a case. Also, we know the R would be impeaching a D president right now, for less than a quarter of what Trump has done.

So, one has to ask. Would impeachment be a popular position to take? Are the American people going to turn on the impeachers or will they side with them and clamor for Trump's removal?
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Unless you can convince a vast majority of Americans that Trump has committed a serious crime, a crime that warrants removal from office. Impeachment is a waste of time, energy and money. So far that crime along with public opinion doesn't exist for impeachment. What impeachment would look like is a very partisan political vendetta which would probably gain Trump sympathy and an improvement in his approval polls.

That is exactly what happened to Bill Clinton. During the trial in the senate Bill's approval numbers rose from 59% to 65%. The people or at least those who weren't Republicans didn't want Bill removed from office. Granted, Trump isn't as popular as Bill was and Trump certainly can't connect with the people like Bill could. Fact is the House could impeach Trump in a heart beat for the most mundane reason, jaywalking, spitting on the sidewalk or even failure to release his tax returns. The public wouldn't buy it. Then the trial, 67 votes are needed in the senate for removal. 47 Democrats aren't enough even if all Democrats vote for removal. Removal, guilty verdict would require an guilty vote from 20 of 53 Republican senators. That isn't about to happen unless Trump commits a serious felony or crime while in office. Then a huge majority of Americans recognize that fact. I'm not sure you could today get all 47 democratic senators to vote guilty let along add another 20 GOP senators.

A total waste of time. The majority of Americans are against it and it could cost some of those democrats their seats if they try.
 
SkyChief said:
I predict when the Mueller Report is made public, there will be no impeachable crimes.
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And that standard will remain unknowable as it has for the past two years so that Republicans can continue to move the bar.
 
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