Indonesian men caned for gay sex in Aceh

[BillRM]

The Democrat Left are a Coalition of Special Interest Groups:
ie. socialists + redistributionists + racialists + feminists + Islamists + etc

Their alliance is simply an alliance of convenience, based on common political interests of the moment, and not common values - indeed their values are often divergent.

This means an inherent propensity for conflict between these divergent groups. This then necessitates constant non-stop spin-management by self-appointed mediators-spokespeople-activists to continually re-phrase and re-jig the perspective on any given event, in order to avoid or minimize cleavages of the precious all-important Coalition.

Sound like you are talking more about the right then the left,

 

[JMaximus]

Here the information that anyone could had found out with a fast google search but even those I am not a Christian I am always willing to help out my fellow men.

Wait...

None of them are from Aceh or even Indonesia?

What the hell is going on here?

 

[JamesBY]

Quote Originally Posted by sanman View Post
The Democrat Left are a Coalition of Special Interest Groups:
ie. socialists + redistributionists + racialists + feminists + Islamists + etc

Their alliance is simply an alliance of convenience, based on common political interests of the moment, and not common values - indeed their values are often divergent.

This means an inherent propensity for conflict between these divergent groups. This then necessitates constant non-stop spin-management by self-appointed mediators-spokespeople-activists to continually re-phrase and re-jig the perspective on any given event, in order to avoid or minimize cleavages of the precious all-important Coalition.

Sound like you are talking more about the right then the left,

Yeah, that sounds like the Right: watch the FC and its allies when the proposed budget, AHCA that comes back from the Senate, the infrastructure bill, and the 9TRILLION$$$ deficit gets going in the House.

 

[sanman]

Sound like you are talking more about the right then the left,

The Left have frequently been called out by the other side as a Coalition of Special Interests - I certainly didn't coin the phrase.
Meanwhile, the Left have never used that phrase against the Right, since it isn't applicable, and since the Left obviously don't like to highlight a problem that they clearly reek of by the widest of margins.

"Coalition of Special Interests? What's that? Never even heard of this idea!"
:roll:

I̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶m̶ ̶I̶?̶ ̶N̶y̶a̶h̶N̶y̶a̶h̶!̶
Yeah, that sounds like the Right: watch the FC and its allies when the proposed budget, AHCA that comes back from the Senate, the infrastructure bill, and the 9TRILLION$$$ deficit gets going in the House.

:roll:

 

[BillRM]

Wait...

None of them are from Aceh or even Indonesia?

What the hell is going on here?

Can you read at all?

I was talking about American Christians trying to get the death penal pass in Africa nations for the crime of being gay and so stated over and over and over again.

 

[JMaximus]

I was talking about American Christians trying to get the death penal pass in Africa nations for the crime of being gay and so stated over and over and over again.

Well then you shouldn't have been talking about that because this thread isn't about American Christians.

 

[volsrock]

Absolutely barbaric.

Thats Islam!

 

[Manc Skipper]

It's sad how so many of the people who for years were telling us to hate gays are now telling us how we must hate Muslims because of the terrible way they treat gays.

 

[TurtleDude]

Indonesia an interesting place. I lived in there for a few years. Jakarta specifically. In most of Indonesia, such as places like Jakarta and Bali, homosexuality is perfectly legal, despite being predominantly Muslim. Hell, there are even gay night clubs. But Aceh is almost like it's own country. It is very conservative.

were the two lovers Muslim? I hear about cases in England where certain enclaves are infected with Sharia law. if you are say Jewish or Christian or anything but Muslim and they try to apply the law to you, the authorities should arrest the "judicial officers" for assault or worse.

In the USA we should never allow such extrajudicial legal systems in the first place but certainly not able to be applied to non members.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's sad how so many of the people who for years were telling us to hate gays are now telling us how we must hate Muslims because of the terrible way they treat gays.

its funny, at least in the USA, to see far lefties bash the GOP/Trump/conservatives over the scrutiny the right gives to Muslim immigrants and enclaves when the people most likely to be first oppressed if sharia law was imposed on the USA would be those liberals. Its fun watching the side that screams the loudest for "gay rights" and for women, will support a religion that is often extremely hostile to both just because the left is adopting "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

 

[Serenity]

Please, can this thread get back to the topic of gay men being beaten in Indonesia?

It's barbaric.

What do you propose be done about it?

Perhaps contact your representatives and voice your concerns. Let them know how appalling the behaviour is, ask them how they propose to voice their concerns about the disgraceful practice.

Meanwhile, your president performs a sword dance with the financiers of 9/11, the same Country whose Government doesn't recognize LGBT rights. Saudi Arabia is one of the most barbaric regimes in the world when it comes to LGBT rights. Homosexuality is illegal, and gay people can face public flogging, torture and even execution. Vigilante attacks are also common. Don't forget to mention that. Get pissed about that and tell them what you think. These people represent you. Remain consistent.

Just disgraceful.

 

[BillRM]

Well then you shouldn't have been talking about that because this thread isn't about American Christians.

It is always useful to point out evil under the color of religion no matter what the religion happen to be and with special note of when Christians are trying to paint another religion as evil when they are far far worst in many cases.

Christianity in any case does not have a moral high ground when it come to inhuman behaviors toward gays in the name of god.

I guess I should feel bad that by pointing out the above fact I kind of ruin the effect to paint Islam as an evil force compare to Christianity or other religions.

 

[BillRM]

It's sad how so many of the people who for years were telling us to hate gays are now telling us how we must hate Muslims because of the terrible way they treat gays.

It is amusing when the far right Christians used Islam treatments of gays as a means to attack that faith while at the same time behind the scene are selling the idea that gays should be killed in African nations for the 'crime' of being gay.

 

[BillRM]

its funny, at least in the USA, to see far lefties bash the GOP/Trump/conservatives over the scrutiny the right gives to Muslim immigrants and enclaves when the people most likely to be first oppressed if sharia law was imposed on the USA would be those liberals. Its fun watching the side that screams the loudest for "gay rights" and for women, will support a religion that is often extremely hostile to both just because the left is adopting "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

No one is going to be safe from either Islam or Christianity until at least a working majority of the population are atheists.

In any case, Islam is no worst then far right Christianity and there are not a few examples in history where others such as the Jews needed to turn to Islam for protection from the Christians torture racks.

 

[TurtleDude]

No one is going to be safe from either Islam or Christianity until at least a working majority of the population are atheists.

In any case, Islam is no worst then far right Christianity and there are not a few examples in history where others such as the Jews needed to turn to Islam for protection from the Christians torture racks.

the Muslim religion is about 700 years behind Christianity. so it makes sense that muslim extremists are acting the same way the Papist extremists acted in the 1400s which was brutal suppression of non-believers, heretics, Jews etc

but the most pernicious religion of them all are those who worship the creeping crud of a collectivist state and worship the "greater good" and use it to kill non-believers and confiscate the wealth of millions

 

[BillRM]

were the two lovers Muslim? I hear about cases in England where certain enclaves are infected with Sharia law. if you are say Jewish or Christian or anything but Muslim and they try to apply the law to you, the authorities should arrest the "judicial officers" for assault or worse.

In the USA we should never allow such extrajudicial legal systems in the first place but certainly not able to be applied to non members.

There is no areas of England not under UK law period.

Silly silly nonsense from the far right and nothing else.

Sharia Law Muslim 'No-Go' Zones

Fox network

Over the course of this last week we have made some regrettable errors on air regarding the Muslim population in Europe — particularly with regard to England and France.
This applies especially to discussions of so-called ‘no-go zones,’ areas where non-Muslims allegedly aren’t allowed in, and police supposedly won’t go.

To be clear, there is no formal designation of these zones in either country, and no credible information to support the assertion there are specific areas in these countries that exclude individuals based solely on their religion.

There are certainly areas of high crime in Europe, as there are in the United States and other countries — where police and visitors enter with caution. We deeply regret the errors, and apologize to any and all who may have taken offense, including the people of France and England.

 

[chromium]

"Muslims? Beating Gays? That's... umm... impossible - it's just historical revisionism - and besides... ummm ... everybody knows that Christians beat up more Gays than Muslims do - in fact, there are so many such incidents that they fill up the nightly news in every Christian-majority country"
:roll:

It certainly does in russia, heck eastern europe in general, and africa. Hell there was a docu about a couple asylum seekers who had to flee their village in kenya ahead of the trial for gay sex, because the villagers were talking witchcraft and about to go full angry mob...

At least, those of us who care notice this routinely. Those who want to look the other way and pretend it's only muslim brutes actively avoid the overwhelming link between these places and christianity

 

[chromium]

were the two lovers Muslim? I hear about cases in England where certain enclaves are infected with Sharia law. if you are say Jewish or Christian or anything but Muslim and they try to apply the law to you, the authorities should arrest the "judicial officers" for assault or worse.

In the USA we should never allow such extrajudicial legal systems in the first place but certainly not able to be applied to non members.

In Aceh most are brought up muslim long before realizing they're gay. They didn't sign some contract in blood to be beaten in front of a mob if they ever act on their urges. Nor could they simply up and leave islam since that's obviously social suicide, but also apostasy can be punished with execution

Until this year, all of Indonesia was held up as an example of a just moderate islamic society. Now within a few years, the rest of it may fall to extremists. For example, and this didn't make headlines, *150* gay men last week were arrested at a sauna in the capital and held on trumped up charges of 'pornography' and face up to 10 years. So all of a sudden these crackdowns are happening on unwitting people

 

[chromium]

its funny, at least in the USA, to see far lefties bash the GOP/Trump/conservatives over the scrutiny the right gives to Muslim immigrants and enclaves when the people most likely to be first oppressed if sharia law was imposed on the USA would be those liberals. Its fun watching the side that screams the loudest for "gay rights" and for women, will support a religion that is often extremely hostile to both just because the left is adopting "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Shari'a law imposed on the USA is pure fantasy, certainly not this century. No, 40% of the country still hates lgbt and there's been over 200 anti gay bills put forth in various states and it damn sure isn't from islam. The threat to gay rights in this country, in the entire western hemisphere, is from christianity. That's why we call them out on their hypocrisy and opportunism. Some of these very same people were gay bashing on this very forum only a year ago and are just using a distant atrocity to condemn islam. They never look within and you can see in this thread they deny the same outrages take place in christian areas like Russia, Uganda etc

Alternatively, they could've condemned Trump for his $300 billion arms deal with the horrendously homophobic Saudi. A man there was arrested by the shari'a police just for planting a pride flag on his own property. Beatings and long sentences are routine. At least if they were critical of that they'd have some credibility

I don't support any religion. I concede that jainism embraces nonviolence. That's it. So your accusation is ridiculous. Few of us have any reason to defend islam in the way you're imagining

 

[chromium]

the Muslim religion is about 700 years behind Christianity. so it makes sense that muslim extremists are acting the same way the Papist extremists acted in the 1400s which was brutal suppression of non-believers, heretics, Jews etc

i would just like to point out that here you have spent more time defending islam than any of the liberals you were mocking for defending islam...

and if islam is "the enemy of my enemy" then so is christianity

our criticism of the right wingers here has to do with their hypocrisy and not either religion

 

[TurtleDude]

i would just like to point out that here you have spent more time defending islam than any of the liberals you were mocking for defending islam...

and if islam is "the enemy of my enemy" then so is christianity

our criticism of the right wingers here has to do with their hypocrisy and not either religion

defending Islam-hysterical. its people like you that the jihadists would first oppress if they took over the USA

 

[TheGoverness]

were the two lovers Muslim? I hear about cases in England where certain enclaves are infected with Sharia law. if you are say Jewish or Christian or anything but Muslim and they try to apply the law to you, the authorities should arrest the "judicial officers" for assault or worse.

In the USA we should never allow such extrajudicial legal systems in the first place but certainly not able to be applied to non members.

I don't know how true that is, but I do know that they have "morality police" that go and try to enforce Sharia law (Telling women they aren't dressed properly, etc.).

 

[Nilly]

African or Russian Christians aren't blowing kids up at a teeny bopper concert. This is a huge distinction that your side seemingly keeps leaving out. Wonder why that is.

Our Christian (?) potus just sent 59 tomahawks into Syria which blew up a fair few kids.

 

[Nilly]

defending Islam-hysterical. its people like you that the jihadists would first oppress if they took over the USA

Frankly, Islam is a horrible, horrible doctrine. But pointing out conservative/Christian hypocrisy is not the same as defending it (even if, imo, it is a bit pointless/fruitless).

 

[prometeus]

the Muslim religion is about 700 years behind Christianity.

I am curious, what or how do you propose overcoming that deficit? It is obvious that marginalization, ridicule and condemnation, especially of a faith followed by well over a billion people among which a very tiny, a very very tiny percentage are extremists?