"I can tell you one thing right now, our gun laws will change"

[maxparrish]

What a load of crap. New zealand has had a few mass shootings and the perpetrators in those have all been native born.

I should also point out that new zealand is a country of immigrants. Even the maori only got here at about 1000 years ago.

And historically it is equally true that the conflict, war, and death between the Maori and settlers were also a result of immigration - a conflict that could not have happened if the Maori were not "settled" by invaders.

And this killing would not have happened if THESE recent immigrants had not been allowed to immigrate. It is an event caused by clashes that could have been avoided if NZ had stuck to a policy of no new immigration, or only immigration ONLY from individuals and countries of nearly identical racial and cultural profiles - e.g. white citizens of the UK.

NZ, like most of the rest of the western world, is on the path of altruistic racial suicide - it is also on the path of more crime, congestion, loss of rural land, and lines of division. A country 50 percent the (as I recall) the size of California but having only 15 percent the population. But like California, its growth and sky rocketing land and housing prices are harbingers of a reduced quality of life.

Does anyone truly think that a New Zealand population of 20 million (Calif in 40 million) really better for those heritage families of NZ? Honestly, I can't think of anything "better" in California after the occupation of the state by immigrants from Latin America, Laos, etc. - however, I can think of a lot things made worse.

New Zealand is a lovely country, it is also a country that in time will follow California into the over populated quality of life abyss.

 

[tres borrachos]

What a dishonest at its core statement about Massachusetts, it has some of the harshest gun laws and restrictions in the country. My condo is about one mile from the border from MA, with that I stopped carrying a concealed weapon out of fear of spending two years in prison even though I am licensed to do so in New Hampshire. Driving around in this area you may cross the border a few times back and forth on the rural roads and not even realize it. Funny thing, New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont are the three safest states in the US for violent crime per capita but I can drive a mile into MA and the crime rate doubles.

Take a look at what’s going on in and around London, UK. They are stabbing and hacking each other to pieces. Anyone can easily read the UK news and view cctv footage of people having their front doors kicked in by masked thugs with machetes, it’s a daily occurrence. Take note, that nonsense wouldn't happen at my home or in my state in general because the criminal element knows its a possible suicide move and they would be just target practice.

It’s not the Gun and never has been, it’s the criminal element, nut-jobs and a decline of any moral compass in society and I’m not referring to religion. I will be the first to admit that violent crime in the US is a very complicated mix of what’s at fault. You can look at California with its progressive coddling court system and sanctuary status, or the South side of Chicago, Baltimore or other gang and crime ridden urban areas and cities as markers of what went wrong.

In my opinion, trying to disarm the law abiding citizens of the US will be this countries undoing and result in a possible civil war that makes the last one pale in comparison.

Try not to make such stupid posts next time.

So with this logic, we are too assume that the lax gun laws in Vermont are responsible for the proliferation of guns.

No.

And you are wrong. The gun laws in NH and VT are quite lax. The ones in the border states of NY and MA are quite tough.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

No, Yahoo didn't talk about an ATM.

So he picked up something, not a gun, to distract the shooter and save his children. Was the point of your post that you don't need a gun to defend yourself and stop a crime - a 5 pound credit card machine works just as well?

My point was that as soon as ONE person gave him trouble he fled. Like a coward.

 

[tres borrachos]

My point was that as soon as ONE person gave him trouble he fled. Like a coward.

So the guy with a gun was a coward? I agree. He fled when challenged with a credit card machine. But that isn't the argument others are making. They are saying you can only bring down someone with a gun if you also have one.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

No, your point really is that your imagination is far more real to you than any facts.

From the article which you keep ignoring.


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The gunman dropped the weapon because it run out of ammo not because he was scared. He ran to get another gun and not because he was scared.

Please tell me, what is the point behind your desire to fictionalise this story. Do you so strongly need a hero to pop up and save the day to prove to yourself that carrying a gun is what will save america from terrorism that you are being so obvious about telling lies to suite yourself?

Id like an apology and you to apologize to the hero that day for thinking he is not a hero.


UPDATE 1-'You are safe now': moments of heroism in Christchurch massacre

UPDATE 1-‘You are safe now’: moments of heroism in Christchurch massacre
PUBLISHED 5 HOURS AGO
Reuters
Praveen Menon and Tom Lasseter
(Adds comment from victim’s nephew from Pakistan)

CHRISTCHURCH/WELLINGTON, March 17 (Reuters) - As New Zealanders struggled to cope with the deadly mayhem in Christchurch, stories of heroism have emerged from the tragedy, including a worshiper who chased away the gunman armed only with a credit card machine.

Fifty people were killed on Friday and dozens more injured.

Brenton Tarrant, 28, has been charged with murder in relation to the killings, and police have said he will face further charges.

But the police and eyewitnesses say a second attack by the gunman was partly thwarted by Abdul Aziz, 48, who was born in Afghanistan.

Aziz said he charged at the shooter outside the Linwood mosque when someone shouted that a gunman had opened fire. The gunman had already killed dozens at the Al Noor mosque nearby, and on the streets.

“He had on army clothes. I wasn’t sure if he was the good guy or the bad guy. When he swore at me, I knew that he’s not the good guy,” Aziz told Reuters in an interview.

When he realised the mosque was being attacked, he ran towards the gunman, picking up a credit card machine as a makeshift weapon.

The shooter ran back to his car and got another gun. Aziz said he threw the credit card machine, ducking between the cars as the shooter opened fire.

He then picked up a gun dropped by the shooter and pulled the trigger, but it was empty: “I was screaming at the guy, come over here, come over here I just wanted to put his focus on me.”

Aziz said the gunman went inside the mosque, and he followed, eventually confronting the shooter again.

“When he saw me with the shotgun in my hands, he dropped the gun and ran away toward his car. I chased him,” he said.

“He sat in his car and with the shotgun in my hands, I threw it through his window like an arrow. He just swore at me and took off.”

ONE man fighting back caused the shooter to run. ONE man fighting back saved many lives.

 

[soylentgreen]

And historically it is equally true that the conflict, war, and death between the Maori and settlers were also a result of immigration - a conflict that could not have happened if the Maori were not "settled" by invaders.

And this killing would not have happened if THESE recent immigrants had not been allowed to immigrate. It is an event caused by clashes that could have been avoided if NZ had stuck to a policy of no new immigration, or only immigration ONLY from individuals and countries of nearly identical racial and cultural profiles - e.g. white citizens of the UK.

NZ, like most of the rest of the western world, is on the path of altruistic racial suicide - it is also on the path of more crime, congestion, loss of rural land, and lines of division. A country 50 percent the (as I recall) the size of California but having only 15 percent the population. But like California, its growth and sky rocketing land and housing prices are harbingers of a reduced quality of life.

Does anyone truly think that a New Zealand population of 20 million (Calif in 40 million) really better for those heritage families of NZ? Honestly, I can't think of anything "better" in California after the occupation of the state by immigrants from Latin America, Laos, etc. - however, I can think of a lot things made worse.

New Zealand is a lovely country, it is also a country that in time will follow California into the over populated quality of life abyss.

This is nothing more than basic white trash racism
Quite disgusting.

New zealand is a multicultural nation. All of whom get on quite well. That is one of the reasons many people from other countries choose nz for. That we do have an inclusive nature.

The act of one individual does not change that nor should it. That would be giving in to terrorism and the brand of hatred you are espousing.

 

[soylentgreen]

Id like an apology and you to apologize to the hero that day for thinking he is not a hero.


UPDATE 1-'You are safe now': moments of heroism in Christchurch massacre





ONE man fighting back caused the shooter to run. ONE man fighting back saved many lives.

I did not say he was not a hero. I said you are making **** up about him to suite your own fantasy world.

One man did not make the gun man run. Running out of ammo made the gun man run and even then only back to his car to get another gun.

One man acted courageously but it did not stop the gun man or even impede him.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

I did not say he was not a hero. I said you are making **** up about him to suite your own fantasy world.

One man did not make the gun man run. Running out of ammo made the gun man run and even then only back to his car to get another gun.

One man acted courageously but it did not stop the gun man or even impede him.

The guy threw the empty shotgun at him like a spear through his window and make him curse and drive off... The guy saw him with the shotgun and instantly ran back to his car.

One man fighting against him made him run away or 80+ more people would be dead.


And im sorry to say it cuz i know it hurts your feelings but IF EVEN ONE PERSON HAD A GUN his killcount would have been WAY LOWER. He picked New Zealand BECAUSE OF THEIR STRICT GUN LAWS on purpose. This was stated by the killer.

 

[ludin]

"I can tell you one thing right now, our gun laws will change" is the correct answer.

I think our 1st amendment should change.
i think the 4-8th amendments should change
i think the 13th amendment should change.

so lets get rid of all your freedoms that you like.
police state it is then.

PS i thought massive strict gun control works because that is exactly what Australia
has. They have very strict gun laws already.

so why didn't they stop this shooting?

 

[CitizenBasehead]

Fake News.

You're entitled your opinion but it's really not.

That's not what Khan said at all.

I'm familiar with that low life pos original quote. That was paraphrasing of the quote and its very accurate.

par·a·phrase
[ˈperəˌfrāz]

VERB
express the meaning of (the writer or speaker or something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.
"you can either quote or paraphrase literary texts"

Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job.

Having to look over your shoulder, worrying about an inbreed jihadi either shooting, stabbing, raping, blowing up or running over people is not something people have to endure if they live in a great city. It something they have to put up with if they live in a **** hole, that's ran officials who couldn't care less about the people that live there.

We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.

No matter how many people are killed in jihadi attacks of peace, we must never acknowledge that they are destroying our lives and the way we living.

 

[CitizenBasehead]

The gunman dropped the weapon because it run out of ammo not because he was scared. He ran to get another gun and not because he was scared.

Please tell me, what is the point behind your desire to fictionalise this story. Do you so strongly need a hero to pop up and save the day to prove to yourself that carrying a gun is what will save america from terrorism that you are being so obvious about telling lies to suite yourself?

Did you watch the video? I'm guessing you didn't because you're confusing what took place in the first mosque with the second.

There was a guy in the first mosque that rushed the shooter but he got blasted.

 

[Moderate Right]

After 49 killed in mass shootings at 2 New Zealand mosques, prime minister vows, '''our gun laws will change''' - ABC News

Prime Minister of New Zealand says, "I can tell you one thing right now, our gun laws will change."

New Zealand has extremely lax gun laws, like here.

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What does Trump say after our almost daily gun slaughters?

Ummmmmmmm. Obama said the same thing, several times. By the way, you can't compare NZ to the USA.

 

[Moderate Right]

"I can tell you one thing right now, our gun laws will change" is the correct answer.

Can you provide evidence that their gun laws have changed? Lip service doesn't count as a law.

 

[Moderate Right]

Wow dude, you are always good for the most ignorant comment of the day, but you deserve a trophy that regurgitation of stupidity!!!!

Do you deny that their are many gun deaths in the very cities that have stricter gun control laws?

 

[Moderate Right]

More dancing on the graves of the dead to further increase government power by taking away the ability of people to protect themselves from people with guns.

I don't know why people keep doing this since it makes absolutely zero logic, and it really should be embarrassing to use dead people like that.

Exactly. The left just can't wrap their head around the fact that stricter gun control laws only hurt law abiding citizens because the criminals and the bad people don't follow the laws! That's why they are criminals. And, their solution always seems to be to let dangerous people out of jail and then try to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't be running around free in the first place.

 

[Moderate Right]

Too bad the kiwis don't have an equivalent to the 2nd Amendment.

They're going to have their rights stripped away and there won't be a damn thing they can do about it.

I find it rather mind boggling that a country who supposedly has lax gun laws allows many cops to run around with no weapons.

 

[Moderate Right]

We don' need any more gun laws.Wear a bulletproof vest to church.

Better yet, we should lock up dangerous people who are a known danger to society instead of letting them run around loose.

 

[Lursa]

When I was young the drinking age in NY was 18, in NJ 21. I would drive over to NY and bring back alcohol. There was no "evidence" (as yo use the term) that I and thousands of others did this.



Because it common ****in' sense.

Ah...I see we're about the same age.

We did that too.

And we also went around the law by having fake ID's made. The age limit in NJ...we just went around it. The law didnt stop us.

 

[apdst]

I find it rather mind boggling that a country who supposedly has lax gun laws allows many cops to run around with no weapons.

All those lax gun laws and this is the first mass shooting in, how long? Ever?

 

[Lursa]

One man acted courageously but it did not stop the gun man or even impede him.

Sounded like he distracted him and saved some people. Sounds like, since he ran off, he was impeded to some extent.

The difference is...where legal, citizens COULD have their firearm and try to save others *without greater risk to their own life.* The man with the credit card machine was very brave but even from his own words, it seems he believed he was sacrificing himself.

Why should others who choose to carry if allowed, also have to risk even greater sacrifice?

(Make no mistake, I am not a supporter of citizens legally carrying being obligated to save others...which we're not...I have no plans to do so myself. In most situations I imagine (and train for) I will only shoot if there is no retreat. I see no personal obligation to save others. Others can prepare in their preferred ways to do so themselves.)

 

[Lursa]

We don' need any more gun laws.Wear a bulletproof vest to church.

??? Where have you been? Our church ladies make beautiful ones with doily collars.

 

[Moderate Right]

All those lax gun laws and this is the first mass shooting in, how long? Ever?

Yeah. I think I probably made my point rather poorly. In a country that supposedly has lax gun laws, gun violence is apparently so low that the police don't even need to be armed. Now, because of one radical, all of a sudden gun violence is this major problem that needs to be dealt with.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

 

[dirtpoorchris]

 

[soylentgreen]

The guy threw the empty shotgun at him like a spear through his window and make him curse and drive off... The guy saw him with the shotgun and instantly ran back to his car.

One man fighting against him made him run away or 80+ more people would be dead.


And im sorry to say it cuz i know it hurts your feelings but IF EVEN ONE PERSON HAD A GUN his killcount would have been WAY LOWER. He picked New Zealand BECAUSE OF THEIR STRICT GUN LAWS on purpose. This was stated by the killer.

Bull**** you are creating a fantasy to fill your own agenda of people should be armed.