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"I can tell you one thing right now, our gun laws will change"

Bilgewater said:
The agriculture sector relies heavily upon one year work visas obtained primarily by millennials straight out of college and hoping for a year of sowing a few wild oats before going back to live in mom's basement. Grapes don't pick themselves, so they rely upon transients working at minimum wage to do the work.

Yes, there is a large population of actual immigrants from islamic countries, but their economy would die if they relied upon immigrants to prop it up. It's all transient labor supplied by guys and gals almost exactly like this nutbag shooter.
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Interesting. Should I get a chance to visit NZ again, I'll check it out. I'm always interested in how other societies work.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
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"It's just part and parcel bro."

Do you have something against large cities?
Are you like a hatful bigot or something bro?
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Fake News.

That's not what Khan said at all.

Here's what he DID say....


“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
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maxparrish said:
Interesting. Should I get a chance to visit NZ again, I'll check it out. I'm always interested in how other societies work.
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Migratory workers are nothing new. What is new is that these new transients aren't doing it because it's either work or starve, but rather because a lot of people suffer from wanderlust. I know somebody in NZ now who left a perfectly good job at a bank to pick avocados and kiwi fruit for minimum wage (17 NZD). It's a transient job where you stay in a hostel with a bunch of other transients, and then move on once the vineyards have been picked clean.

It's a lot like the Joads in the grapes of wrath, except it's not out of economic necessity, but rather a desire to escape the confines of a 9-5.

Just a bunch of spoiled millenials who are unsatisfied with what they call "adulting".
 
apdst said:
Too bad the kiwis don't have an equivalent to the 2nd Amendment.

They're going to have their rights stripped away and there won't be a damn thing they can do about it.
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The second is not a right anyone would want. And as we have more guns than we need in the country i don't see any right being stripped away.
 
noonereal said:
Clearly their laws are not strong enough, on this we can all agree.
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Clearly you do not understand how laws work. It would not matter how strong laws are made criminals will still seek to disobey them. It's kind of a criminal thing to do.
 
Bilgewater said:
The agriculture sector relies heavily upon one year work visas obtained primarily by millennials straight out of college and hoping for a year of sowing a few wild oats before going back to live in mom's basement. Grapes don't pick themselves, so they rely upon transients working at minimum wage to do the work.

Yes, there is a large population of actual immigrants from islamic countries, but their economy would die if they relied upon immigrants to prop it up. It's all transient labor supplied by guys and gals almost exactly like this nutbag shooter.
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Man, this is real ****. Where did you get your information from, the back of a toilet door?

Tourists or your so called millennials make up only a small part of the agricultural work. Most of it comes from asians and islanders on rse schemes.
 
maxparrish said:
LOL… Can you gun haters remember a consistent story, or are you just hoping to skate on shameless flip-flopping hypocrisy? For years this forum's gun control lobby has used Australia, New Zealand, Europe, etc. as examples of why their strict gun control laws, in New Zealand .
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New Zealand was never once spoken to by it's a deflection none the less.

The point was that civilized countries respond by seeking ways to stop gun violence. Here, because of the NRA and it's awful corruption, incidents of gun violence are celebrated as a way to ring the registrar. Insidious of the NRA, mindless of the drones.
 
Bilgewater said:
We hardly agree. If left up to me, he wouldn't have made it past the doorman before being met with a hail of bullets from the people in the first mosque. Then instead of headlines which read "49 dead" there would be "Armed hero saves the day".
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This post is sick.
 
maxparrish said:
We only agree if you concede that their laws on immigration need to be stronger -
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This to is a sick post. 50 innocents slaughtered and you want to blame the victims.

In every thread that relates to gun it is the same gross comments. It is these sick comments that made me change my view on gun.

I'll never forget the sick comments post the FL school massacre.

It was the comments after that which made me decide to change my view on guns.

Trust me, I get that your contingent fancies themselves rambos but your days of playing with guns is coming to an end.

The future is gun free. We all know it.
 
TurtleDude said:
No we cannot agree with such a moronic conclusion. And when a poster calls firearms "penis extensions", we question his motivations for supporting more gun restrictions.
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You have STILL have not taken the time to understand the science behind my statement I see.

Very TRump of you.
 
soylentgreen said:
The second is not a right anyone would want. And as we have more guns than we need in the country i don't see any right being stripped away.
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Wrong, speak for yourself.

noonereal said:
This to is a sick post. 50 innocents slaughtered and you want to blame the victims. .
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And you want to blame the gun, rather than the perpetrator, in order to justify attacking our rights.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Guess who finally stopped the shooting at the 2nd mosque? A god damn hero who picked up an ATM machine and used it as a shield and ran at the shooter. THAT ALONE scared him into running when he found someone he couldnt kill.
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It was a credit card machine, not an ATM. You can't pick up an ATM. And a credit card machine weighs about 5 pounds. He did not use it as a shield. He picked it up so he could distract the shooter so others could flee, including his own children. Don't rewrite history.

“I wanted him to chase me in the car park as it would save more people in the masjid, but he didn't see me probably," he said.

He said the gunman ran back to his car to get another gun, and Aziz hurled the credit card machine at him, according to the Associated Press. He said he could hear his two youngest sons, aged 11 and 5, urging him to come back inside.





Aziz then went to the back and picked up a gun the shooter had abandoned that was next to a dead body. He squeezed the trigger but it had no bullets.

He said he continued to see gunshots flying through the mosque, and so he yelled out, "I'm outside, come outside.'"

The gunman dropped the gun he was using, Aziz said in a separate interview with The Sun. The shooter then returned to his car for a second time to grab another loaded rifle.


New Zealand mosque shootings: Abdul Aziz ran toward gunman to stop him

What does that he did have to do with gun laws anyway?
 
maxparrish said:
That wasn't my impression in my six week stay in NZ. My impression was that Auckland and the surrounding area was saturated with Muslim and Hindi immigrants, along with resident Maori. I found it to be a little strange, clean but also run-down and cluttered with nearly empty strip mall immigrant owned outlets. I got out of that area (near the airport) and once I arrived in Hamilton, the country was to my liking. I crossed over the central range and enjoyed Napier, one of my favorite towns. I drove south, through Palmerston North (a dead quiet and oddly vacant looking place...boring?).

I liked Wellington, loved Nelson, and liked Dunedin. The wine country was less interesting than I hoped, but I enjoyed most (but not all) of my visits to small towns. I particularly enjoyed taverns and bars, and wistful glances at pretty young women.

Since my visit, I've sought to characterize kiwi's but found it difficult; they were friendly, but reserved...a bit thin skinned...not especially gifted in humor (although sufficiently gregarious when drunk). They are much more rule conscious than Americans (and I am told more than Aussies), horribly aggressive and rude drivers, and overly desirous of telling Americans what is wrong with Americans.

On the other hand, they keep their children under control, are very polite, and most are money conscious and desirous of making sure that I was not ripped off by others. The nicest people I met were those that repaired my van tire, changed my blown tire, refueled my van when I errored two miles from town, and a potter I visited. The least nice were those that misunderstood my inquiries as being judgmental, and had a bitter edginess and off-standing ness in bars.

And my final impression was that NZ has changed quite a bit since my friends visit in the 1980s, where the people were far more welcoming, friendly, and unbelievably generous to travelers. But one would expect that the advent of tourism and immigration would have its dislocative effects.
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What an informative post! (Especially the very last sentence.)

I have always had some views about New Zealand that I now know were inaccurate.


Sweden has recently disillusioned me. (I used to think it was paradise.)
Now NZ has.
 
holbritter said:
We do not have extremely lax gun laws.
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I'll never understand why folks knowingly utter such overt lies.

I guess they are the same folks that vote for TRump. It's just cultural.

Just like they say, in a culture of thieves, thievery is revered.
 
noonereal said:
I'll never understand why folks knowingly utter such overt lies.

I guess they are the same folks that vote for TRump. It's just cultural.

Just like they say, in a culture of thieves, thievery is revered.
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Well, you guess wrong then. I didn't vote for Trump.

Gun laws are mainly state driven, and they differ by states. Two of the most populous states have exactly opposite of what you said. There goes your 'overt lies' claim too.

To say "We have extremely lax gun laws" is ignorant. Your response backs that up.
 
noonereal said:
After 49 killed in mass shootings at 2 New Zealand mosques, prime minister vows, '''our gun laws will change''' - ABC News

Prime Minister of New Zealand says, "I can tell you one thing right now, our gun laws will change."

New Zealand has extremely lax gun laws, like here.

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What does Trump say after our almost daily gun slaughters?
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Good. New Zealand can be the country which finally proves that strict pointless gun laws only help criminals and tyrannical dictators at the expense of everyone else. My advice to New Zealanders is: Don't allow yourself to be taken over by brutal dictators because you give up your right to fight them off with guns.
 
noonereal said:
I'll never understand why folks knowingly utter such overt lies.

I guess they are the same folks that vote for TRump. It's just cultural.

Just like they say, in a culture of thieves, thievery is revered.
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Except she's correct.

Gun laws vary by state. Some states have very lax laws. Some states have very tough laws. I live in a state where almost anyone can get a conceal carry license, and most people can simply carry their guns in plain sight. That said, we can not take guns over the border into Massachusetts which has very strict laws. The uber liberal state of Vermont has among the most lax gun laws in the country, and they border NY with among the most tough laws in the country.

It all depends on the state you are standing in.
 
holbritter said:
Well, you guess wrong then. I didn't vote for Trump.

Gun laws are mainly state driven, and they differ by states. Two of the most populous states have exactly opposite of what you said. There goes your 'overt lies' claim too.

To say "We have extremely lax gun laws" is ignorant. Your response backs that up.
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You cannot have one country and 50 different laws and make the statement you made. As long as any state has lax laws, guns will proliferate.

This is aside from the fact that in no state are gun laws not lax. You will now have to debate your meaning of lax and I will reject it so what is eh point?

Enjoy your weapon of carnage while you can, the future is gun free.
 
tres borrachos said:
Except she's correct.

Gun laws vary by state. Some states have very lax laws. Some states have very tough laws. I live in a state where almost anyone can get a conceal carry license, and most people can simply carry their guns in plain sight. That said, we can not take guns over the border into Massachusetts which has very strict laws. The uber liberal state of Vermont has among the most lax gun laws in the country, and they border NY with among the most tough laws in the country.

It all depends on the state you are standing in.
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see my post above
 
noonereal said:
You cannot have one country and 50 different laws and make the statement you made. As long as any state has lax laws, guns will proliferate.

This is aside from the fact that in no state are gun laws not lax. You will now have to debate your meaning of lax and I will reject it so what is eh point?

Enjoy your weapon of carnage while you can, the future is gun free.
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So with this logic, we are too assume that the lax gun laws in Vermont are responsible for the proliferation of guns.

No.

And you are wrong. The gun laws in NH and VT are quite lax. The ones in the border states of NY and MA are quite tough.
 
tres borrachos said:
So with this logic, we are too assume that the lax gun laws in Vermont are responsible for the proliferation of guns.

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of course

think of the gun free zones. It's a joke because across the street they are legal

come on, you know this

this is one country

you don't go through customs to get from vermont to ny

i am talking real world not theory
 
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