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"I can tell you one thing right now, our gun laws will change"

CitizenBasehead said:
Did you watch the video? I'm guessing you didn't because you're confusing what took place in the first mosque with the second.

There was a guy in the first mosque that rushed the shooter but he got blasted.
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No i was not discerning between the two. I was referring to an incident that did happen.
 
Lursa said:
Sounded like he distracted him and saved some people. Sounds like, since he ran off, he was impeded to some extent.

The difference is...where legal, citizens COULD have their firearm and try to save others *without greater risk to their own life.* The man with the credit card machine was very brave but even from his own words, it seems he believed he was sacrificing himself.

Why should others who choose to carry if allowed, also have to risk even greater sacrifice?

(Make no mistake, I am not a supporter of citizens legally carrying being obligated to save others...which we're not...I have no plans to do so myself. In most situations I imagine (and train for) I will only shoot if there is no retreat. I see no personal obligation to save others. Others can prepare in their preferred ways to do so themselves.)
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It should also be noted that every mass shooting in nz history has been by a person who had legal access to guns. Including this one.

Arming people is nothing more than the nonsense propaganda of the nra. It would not stop people who are intent on causing such harm.
 
ludin said:
I think our 1st amendment should change.
i think the 4-8th amendments should change
i think the 13th amendment should change.

so lets get rid of all your freedoms that you like.
police state it is then.

PS i thought massive strict gun control works because that is exactly what Australia
has. They have very strict gun laws already.

so why didn't they stop this shooting?
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Because the shooting was in New Zealand?

lol, you really screwed up
 
noonereal said:
Because the shooting was in New Zealand?

lol, you really screwed up
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Not really new zealand has pretty strict gun laws as well.
Gun licenses are issued at the discretion of the police in New Zealand provided the police consider the person to be of good standing [3][4][citation needed] and without criminal, psychiatric or drug issues as well as meeting other conditions such as having suitable storage facilities.

you nitpick fallacy failed.
 
ludin said:
Not really new zealand has pretty strict gun laws as well.
Gun licenses are issued at the discretion of the police in New Zealand provided the police consider the person to be of good standing [3][4][citation needed] and without criminal, psychiatric or drug issues as well as meeting other conditions such as having suitable storage facilities.

you nitpick fallacy failed.
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not for nothing but NZ and Australia are two completely different countries. It's pretty obvious you are not distinguishing. Very Trump like, I do admit.

NZ is know for it's USA like laws, Australia the opposite.
 
noonereal said:
not for nothing but NZ and Australia are two completely different countries. It's pretty obvious you are not distinguishing. Very Trump like, I do admit.

NZ is know for it's USA like laws, Australia the opposite.
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i posted you their law why did you ignore it?
i will post it again.

they are very strict on who can and can't own a gun.
Gun licenses are issued at the discretion of the police in New Zealand provided the police consider the person to be of good standing [3][4][citation needed] and without criminal, psychiatric or drug issues as well as meeting other conditions such as having suitable storage facilities.

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia
 
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ludin said:
i posted you their law why did you ignore it?
i will post it again.

they are very strict on who can and can't own a gun.
Gun licenses are issued at the discretion of the police in New Zealand provided the police consider the person to be of good standing [3][4][citation needed] and without criminal, psychiatric or drug issues as well as meeting other conditions such as having suitable storage facilities.

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia
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You say tomato, I say tomato.

New Zealand has about one firearm to every four people and no ban on semi-automatic weapons.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yeah. I think I probably made my point rather poorly. In a country that supposedly has lax gun laws, gun violence is apparently so low that the police don't even need to be armed. Now, because of one radical, all of a sudden gun violence is this major problem that needs to be dealt with.
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You made a great point. I was just trying to add to it.
 
soylentgreen said:
Not at all. He is using that persons heroics to make up his own story of how people should be armed.
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Unarmed people are defenseless. Being defenseless isn't a good strategy.
 
noonereal said:
New Zealand has about one firearm to every four people and no ban on semi-automatic weapons.
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Exactly: they have enough guns that they COULD. But they dont.

That's what people should be looking at IMO...WHY they dont happen in countries where people can walk into a church or a school or a mall with a hunting rifle and kill dozens of unarmed people?

It's not the guns...it's the culture and the people.

When you look at the *potential* for active shooter incidents tho...none of that matters (except maybe the culture part).

It only takes ONE guy with ONE hunting rifle (and lots of ammo) to easily kill 50+ unarmed people. (The Norway shooting is another clear example)

So...it doesnt really matter how many guns are in a country or even what type. We are talking the most basic of elements of legality in owning a firearm: owning one. (Yes, obvious). And one of the most common purposes for owning one...hunting.

These circumstances exist in any country in the world, dont they? They have the potential for having a horrific shooting of innocents every day too.

And yet they dont. Why? So yes, we're back to culture and apparently a surfeit of POS loser males that see themselves as victims.

(btw, the NZ prime minister said that they will be now outlawing semi-auto weapons)
 
apdst said:
Unarmed people are defenseless. Being defenseless isn't a good strategy.
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I live in one of the most armed cities I've ever been in, and when 3 different mass shootings occurred, there was no good guy with a gun there to stop it from happening. The average person isn't going to use a weapon to stop something like that, no matter how many times people try to make that claim.

For whats its worth, I'm not for disarming the populace. I do, however, believe making it harder than just hitting up the gun store should be in order.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
I live in one of the most armed cities I've ever been in, and when 3 different mass shootings occurred, there was no good guy with a gun there to stop it from happening. The average person isn't going to use a weapon to stop something like that, no matter how many times people try to make that claim.
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Hundreds of thousands of crimes are prevented every year in The United States, by armed citizens.

For whats its worth, I'm not for disarming the populace. I do, however, believe making it harder than just hitting up the gun store should be in order.
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I'm all for just hitting up a gun store. Gun control isn't going to stop a criminal.
 
soylentgreen said:
It should also be noted that every mass shooting in nz history has been by a person who had legal access to guns. Including this one.

Arming people is nothing more than the nonsense propaganda of the nra. It would not stop people who are intent on causing such harm.
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So what is your answer, taking everyone's guns away?
 
soylentgreen said:
A society that needs to arm itself is not one any sane person would want to live.
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That's how our country was started. We have a first amendment and guess what the number two amendment was? Number TWO!
 
apdst said:
Unarmed people are defenseless. Being defenseless isn't a good strategy.
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It is for liberals. Why would they want people to be able to protect themselves, when the victims are more useful to liberals if they're dead.

It ruins the narrative.
 
Making more gun laws will solve nothing. The law abiding will still be law abiding, the criminals will still be criminals and the deranged will still be deranged. There is no law that can keep guns out of the hands of criminals or of nuts unless they've been throwing up red flags beforehand. Even then, the system is only as good as the people running it. Witness Parkland.
 
Moderate Right said:
So what is your answer, taking everyone's guns away?
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The usual thinking or more exactly, whinging of the pro gun group. You think in no other terms than they will take your gun away.

My answer is a society not bred by political factions to think that they have the right to kill.
 
Moderate Right said:
That's how our country was started. We have a first amendment and guess what the number two amendment was? Number TWO!
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You seem determined to say something foolish today.

Just because you started that way does not mean it has to continue. Yours is the silly argument of not even bothering to think for yourself, instead it is the meme of good enough for my grandfather, good enough for me.
 
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