Heterosexual Men Are Getting Gender Affirming Care

[CLAX1911]

It’s not a movement.

So then the culture always accepted trans people to the degree that they do now and there's been no change? So why all the bitching?

The anti trans hysteria is dying and will attach to some other powerless group as Trump’s regime loses control of the country.

Yeah anti-trans history is just as stupid as trans activism and it will crash and burn the same way the people supporting it will destroy it.

 

[rahl]

Then dont be hypocrites and bigots about transgender people being who they are despite a birth condition that caused them to have an incongruent gender idneity.

There’s no such thing as gender identity. And a man is a man and will always be a man. You were born a man. You are currently a man. And you will die a man. It doesn’t matter how many body parts you mutilate or artificial hormones you take.

Learn to leave people alone and mind your own G-D business instead. Nobody likes Karens or Kens.

When you try and pretend reality isn’t reality, you are going to be stopped.

Then learn to leave other people alone and stay out of their medical care.

Cosmetic surgery and artificial hormones to treat a delusion isn’t medical care.

 

[CLAX1911]

There’s no such thing as gender identity. And a man is a man and will always be a man. You were born a man. You are currently a man. And you will die a man. It doesn’t matter how many body parts you mutilate or artificial hormones you take.

This is the reality that they will claim is transphobic. So when reality is transphobic transphobia is rational and therefore can't be a phobia.

When you try and pretend reality isn’t reality, you are going to be stopped.

Maybe not stopped but they're going to encounter and unstoppable Force and they are most certainly not immovable objects.

Cosmetic surgery and artificial hormones to treat a delusion isn’t medical care.

Indeed.

 

[The Brad Dad]

So then the culture always accepted trans people to the degree that they do now and there's been no change? So why all the bitching?

Why are rw men bitchig about trans people? Probably cause they're afraid they want to **** a trans woman.

 

[CLAX1911]

Why are rw men bitchig about trans people?

I don't think that they are they're complaining about the activism which you interpret to be trans people which is your biggest tree not anyone else's.

Probably cause they're afraid they want to **** a trans woman.

So it's your position that men oppose transition of 9-year-olds because their secretly gay?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Is that your lame way of adding to your post count when you've run out of arguments?

Pointing out you called side effects "collateral damage" is pointing out how you understand medical practices, like they're zero sum games. But they're not. They're far more complicated than either of us will understand. Medicine has side effects, all treatments do. It's understand the risks involved that make medical decisions worth taking. Failing to understand that key idea will mean any deeper understanding of medicine will elude you.

 

[CLAX1911]

Pointing out you called side effects "collateral damage" is pointing out how you understand medical practices, like they're zero sum games. But they're not. They're far more complicated than either of us will understand. Medicine has side effects, all treatments do. It's understand the risks involved that make medical decisions worth taking. Failing to understand that key idea will mean any deeper understanding of medicine will elude you.

I actually agree with this. This is why I oppose using puberty blockers and hrt on youth. We can't know the side effects.

 

[Cosmo]

Pointing out you called side effects "collateral damage" is pointing out how you understand medical practices,

No, it's in the same league as saying someone's argument is wrong because he made a typo, only dumber.

like they're zero sum games. But they're not. They're far more complicated than either of us will understand. Medicine has side effects, all treatments do. It's understand the risks involved that make medical decisions worth taking. Failing to understand that key idea will mean any deeper understanding of medicine will elude you.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

No, it's in the same league as saying someone's argument is wrong because he made a typo, only dumber.

So you're saying you made a dumb argument by calling side effects... collateral damage?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I actually agree with this. This is why I oppose using puberty blockers and hrt on youth. We can't know the side effects.

So a second grade should be allowed to have breast development?

 

[CLAX1911]

So a second grade should be allowed to have breast development?

Precocious puberty isn't a reason to give castration drugs to a normal 9 year old.

 

[Cosmo]

So you're saying you made a dumb argument by calling side effects... collateral damage?

No, it's what you're saying. You also seem incapable of following along with even simple conversation. To be expected given the inane arguments I've seen from your side.

 

[Master Debator]

Yep! My opinion! Just like it's my opinion that when a person has a heart attack, his heart is not functioning properly.

At least you can admit it's opinion. That the admission I was looking for.

 

[Master Debator]

This is the reality that they will claim is transphobic.

Reality isn't transphobic, you and @rahl are just immune to it.

This is the reality of what the DSM says. Don't be frail about it. Or do. Thats what makes these discussions so funny.


DSM

• Gender expression: The outward manifestation of a person’s gender, which may or may not reflect their inner gender identity based on traditional expectations. Gender expression incorporates how a person carries themselves, their dress, accessories, grooming, voice/speech patterns and conversational mannerisms, and physical characteristics.
• Gender identity: A person’s inner sense of being a girl/woman, boy/man, some combination of both, or something else, including having no gender at all. This may or may not correspond to one's sex assigned at birth.
• Sex/gender assigned at birth: Traditional designation of a person as “female,” “male,” or “intersex” based on anatomy (e.g., external genitalia and/ or internal reproductive organs) and/or other biological factors (e.g., sex chromosomes). “Sex” and “gender” are often used interchangeably, but they are distinct entities. It is best to distinguish between sex, gender identity, and gender expression and to avoid making assumptions about a person regarding one of these characteristics based on knowledge of the others. This is sometimes abbreviated as AFAB (assigned female at birth) or AMAB (assigned male at birth).

 

[Lisa]

Precocious puberty isn't a reason to give castration drugs to a normal 9 year old.

Those blockers are how precocious puberty is properly treated by blocking the body secretion of sex hormones.

 

[American]

Heterosexual men are allowed gender affirming care. Men becoming real men.

None of this justifies transgenders diddling with little children cutting off penises and breasts. Try again.

 

[The Brad Dad]

None of this justifies transgenders diddling with little children cutting off penises and breasts. Try again.

Doctors perform surgeries. Professional, medically licensed and trained individuals. Now give me your qulaifiecations as to how you arrived at “transgenders diddling” kids junk off? And my god is there any conservative men in this country that do not spend time obsessing over children’s crotches?

 

[The Brad Dad]

Wait, I just noticed - you’re in West Virginia LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Mika-El]

There’s no such thing as gender identity.

Read the above.
Then read this.

And a man is a man and will always be a man.

So what is being a "man" if its not a gender identity. Oh go on share.

Here let me help. Your entire argument is in fact one's gender identity can not be changed from their genitalia at birth not that someone does not have a gender identity.

All gender identity means, is the description of a homo sapiens as female or male. In your example you feel the identification is limited to birth genitalia.

You see you need to learn to understand your own position. You haven;t denied gender identity, you in fact have demanded how it is to be defined.

There is one problem with that. Some people are born with both sets of genitals. Oopsy now what do you do.

Next your argument is that people who experience gender dysphoria should not address that issue by obtaining a sexual transition surgery because you say so.

Now can you explain your qualifications as the world's gender identity definer? Were you appointed by the UN?

Wait did President Trump appoint you? If he did how do you explain JD Vance (women to man transgender),, Ted Cruz (woman to man transgender)Madge Taylor Greene (woman to man transgender), Stephen Miller (bald eunich)

You were born a man. You are currently a man. And you will die a man. It doesn’t matter how many body parts you mutilate or artificial hormones you take.

Again if a man or woman undergo transition surgery they do not mutilate themselves. That is your false projection based on your own castration anxiety and insecurity about your penis projected outwards as mutilation.

The people who undergo transition surgery do not mutilate, they change their genitalia to correspond with their gender identity so they no longer suffer from gender dysphoria a conflict between their birth genitals and how they identify them which has nothing to do with their sex mate preference or body dysmorphia a condition where a man or woman want to alter their bodies based on non gender cosmetic reasons, i.e., size of penis, breasts, muscles, nose, lips.

I am curious. If I were to conclude your position to its logical conclusion, any kind of plastic or cosmetic surgery
is mutilation of the body. Likewise any operation that removes any part of the body and replaces it with another organ by transplant or prosthetic device is using your argument mutilation. That is quite the righteous proclamation. Who you get a hair transplant?

When you try and pretend reality isn’t reality, you are going to be stopped.

Well reality in this world is that people can and do choose gender assignment surgery and many other surgeries that change their bodies for a wide range of reasons and no you are not going to stop it and demand people conform to what you demand is reality.

Cosmetic surgery and artificial hormones to treat a delusion isn’t medical care.

Your subjective and arbitrary proclamation of what is a delusion is in fact delusional. Your definition of what is a delusion is your subjective opinion not a fact, not a universal reality, not a religious doctrine of truth, just your opinion.

Now come on enjoy these rugged men born to die men.




Role models for a penal; America.

 

[Maccabee]

There’s no such thing as gender identity.

Do you have a peer reviewed paper stating that?

And a man is a man and will always be a man. You were born a man. You are currently a man. And you will die a man. It doesn’t matter how many body parts you mutilate or artificial hormones you take.

Again, sex and gender has been shown to be separate.

When you try and pretend reality isn’t reality, you are going to be stopped.

You pretending that gender identity isn't real is denying reality.

Cosmetic surgery and artificial hormones to treat a delusion isn’t medical care.

Evidence?

 

[rahl]

Read the above.
Then read this.

So what is being a "man" if its not a gender identity. Oh go on share.

Here let me help. Your entire argument is in fact one's gender identity can not be changed from their genitalia at birth not that someone does not have a gender identity.

All gender identity means, is the description of a homo sapiens as female or male. In your example you feel the identification is limited to birth genitalia.

You see you need to learn to understand your own position. You haven;t denied gender identity, you in fact have demanded how it is to be defined.

There is one problem with that. Some people are born with both sets of genitals. Oopsy now what do you do.

Next your argument is that people who experience gender dysphoria should not address that issue by obtaining a sexual transition surgery because you say so.

Now can you explain your qualifications as the world's gender identity definer? Were you appointed by the UN?

Wait did President Trump appoint you? If he did how do you explain JD Vance (women to man transgender),, Ted Cruz (woman to man transgender)Madge Taylor Greene (woman to man transgender), Stephen Miller (bald eunich)



Again if a man or woman undergo transition surgery they do not mutilate themselves. That is your false projection based on your own castration anxiety and insecurity about your penis projected outwards as mutilation.

The people who undergo transition surgery do not mutilate, they change their genitalia to correspond with their gender identity so they no longer suffer from gender dysphoria a conflict between their birth genitals and how they identify them which has nothing to do with their sex mate preference or body dysmorphia a condition where a man or woman want to alter their bodies based on non gender cosmetic reasons, i.e., size of penis, breasts, muscles, nose, lips.

I am curious. If I were to conclude your position to its logical conclusion, any kind of plastic or cosmetic surgery
is mutilation of the body. Likewise any operation that removes any part of the body and replaces it with another organ by transplant or prosthetic device is using your argument mutilation. That is quite the righteous proclamation. Who you get a hair transplant?



Well reality in this world is that people can and do choose gender assignment surgery and many other surgeries that change their bodies for a wide range of reasons and no you are not going to stop it and demand people conform to what you demand is reality.

Your subjective and arbitrary proclamation of what is a delusion is in fact delusional. Your definition of what is a delusion is your subjective opinion not a fact, not a universal reality, not a religious doctrine of truth, just your opinion.

Now come on enjoy these rugged men born to die men.

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Role models for a penal; America.

Refuted all of this already. A man is an adult male. Always has been. It’s not possible to change from a man to a woman.

 

[rahl]

Do you have a peer reviewed paper stating that?

I have biology stating that.

Again, sex and gender has been shown to be separate.

No it hasn’t.

You pretending that gender identity isn't real is denying reality.

I’m not the one pretending lol. That would be the ones who reject science in favor of ideology who pretend a man can become a woman.

Evidence?

Biology

 

[CLAX1911]

Those blockers are how precocious puberty is properly treated by blocking the body secretion of sex hormones.

Precocious puberty fair enough. But brainwashing them into believing through the opposite sex, And lying about this being some sort of gender identity absolutely not

 

[Mika-El]

Refuted all of this already. A man is an adult male. Always has been. It’s not possible to change from a man to a woman.

It is and you deny it. Its done every day by both physical surgery, medication and free choice. The fact you refuse to acknowledge it and pretend it can't be speaks to your denial of something you do not agree with.

Quite frankly without speaking for any transgendered person who makes their choices, I doubt they give a flying phack what you think or deny.

 

[CLAX1911]

It is and you deny it.

No it's not he denies it because it's false.

Its done every day by both physical surgery, medication and free choice.

That is false. A man is converted into a eunuch not a woman.

The fact you refuse to acknowledge it and pretend it can't be speaks to your denial of something you do not agree with.

It's not possible.

Quite frankly without speaking for any transgendered person who makes their choices, I doubt they give a flying phack what you think or deny.

Doesn't matter reality is what it is.