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Global Warming is Worse than we Thought

Threegoofs said:
Does it matter?

I mean.. it’s like the question ‘is the earth a sphere?’.

Yeah. It is. Maybe not quite perfect, but for practical purposes... yes. The real question is ‘ Is it a perfect sphere?’.
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It matters plenty. The earth receives approximately 6-7% more solar energy in early January than it does in early July. The southern hemisphere receives the most radiance at this time due to the earths tilt. The southern hemisphere is about 80% water and 20% land, so the way it absorbs this energy is significantly different. In early July, when the norther hemisphere is facing the sun, it is about 40% land and about 60% water.

Very significant difference when calculating energy balances, if the models use the adjusted to 1 AU numbers as found.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It matters plenty. The earth receives approximately 6-7% more solar energy in early January than it does in early July. The southern hemisphere receives the most radiance at this time due to the earths tilt. The southern hemisphere is about 80% water and 20% land, so the way it absorbs this energy is significantly different. In early July, when the norther hemisphere is facing the sun, it is about 40% land and about 60% water.

Very significant difference when calculating energy balances, if the models use the adjusted to 1 AU numbers as found.
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For specific studies, it’s important.

But you were using it as some kinda third grade test to see if the guy understood seasons and hemispheres.

But you gotta take your imaginary wins when you see them.
 
Threegoofs said:
For specific studies, it’s important.

But you were using it as some kinda third grade test to see if the guy understood seasons and hemispheres.

But you gotta take your imaginary wins when you see them.
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No, I was seeing if he understood basic concepts, and he failed as you did too. You should stop. You keep making yourself look bad. Your rationalizing doesn't work with us.
 
calamity said:
You can quickly assess the intelligence of someone by simply asking them what they thing of AGW. When they call it a "hoax," you can be sure that you found one of the dumber ones.
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Gee, wonder where they get this?

Trump’s tweet said, "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

But like most issues, he flip-flopped, when his LIE was called out.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-says-climate-change-not-a-hoax-but-questions-if-its-manmade/

President Donald Trump is backing off his claim that climate change is a hoax but says he doesn't know if it's manmade
 
calamity said:
You can quickly assess the intelligence of someone by simply asking them what they thing of AGW. When they call it a "hoax," you can be sure that you found one of the dumber ones.
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Assesment of scientific understanding of the physics of the earth's temperature and energy budget;

How would you use the distance from the sun to calculate the amount of heat energy recieved per second over the whole year?
 
Tim the plumber said:
No need as LoP know I play KSP. He knows I know as I know he knows.

I'll give you a clue; inverse square law.
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Did I ever show you my huge mining machine I landed on the Mun?

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I sent three huge tankers to refuel it in orbit after takeoff before heading to the Mun, and another two in the Mun's orbit before landing. It was time consuming and tedious. Took a while to mine it and make fuel, but I then went back to orbit, topped of the tankers, and landed in another spot on the Mun.

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Sorry for the off-topic, but this was fun.

Done now.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Did I ever show you my huge mining machine I landed on the Mun?

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Typical American. Huge and not very good.

How many ore processing units? 10 drills, will probably not need all of 1. I don't see any heat sinks, overheating is going to be a bitch and that is if you have power for the thing. What are you using?

Currently in my career game I am sending a mission to Eve whilst wiating for the Duna one to get back. Both using the Minmus refuling and garden base which is all on wheels and trundles about the place refuling and resupplying ships which land on Minmus. Or using orbital refuling, it is so easy to land though it makes a nice break.

I'll have to work out how to get pictures on here...
 
Tim the plumber said:

Typical American. Huge and not very good.

How many ore processing units? 10 drills, will probably not need all of 1. I don't see any heat sinks, overheating is going to be a bitch and that is if you have power for the thing. What are you using?

Currently in my career game I am sending a mission to Eve whilst wiating for the Duna one to get back. Both using the Minmus refuling and garden base which is all on wheels and trundles about the place refuling and resupplying ships which land on Minmus. Or using orbital refuling, it is so easy to land though it makes a nice break.

I'll have to work out how to get pictures on here...
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You guys really should stick with this fantasy life instead of pretending you understand science.
 
Tim the plumber said:

Typical American. Huge and not very good.

How many ore processing units? 10 drills, will probably not need all of 1. I don't see any heat sinks, overheating is going to be a bitch and that is if you have power for the thing. What are you using?

Currently in my career game I am sending a mission to Eve whilst wiating for the Duna one to get back. Both using the Minmus refuling and garden base which is all on wheels and trundles about the place refuling and resupplying ships which land on Minmus. Or using orbital refuling, it is so easy to land though it makes a nice break.

I'll have to work out how to get pictures on here...
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This was a long time ago before they changed the heat exchange calculations.
 
Threegoofs said:
You guys really should stick with this fantasy life instead of pretending you understand science.
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In order to play the game you need to have a decent understanding of physics. You need, or will quickly have, a decent understanding of orbital mechanics. It's a sciecne based game.

You should give it a go.
 
Jack Hays said:
Following in the footsteps of Nir Shaviv.

[h=3]The oceans as a calorimeter | ScienceBits[/h]
[url]www.sciencebits.com/calorimeter
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A calorimeter is a device which measures the amount of heat given off in a chemical or physical reaction. It turns out that one can use the Earth's oceans as one giant calorimeter to measure the amount of heat Earth absorbs and reemits every solar cycle.



[h=3]Using the oceans as a calorimeter to quantify the ... - AGU Publications[/h]
[url]https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2007JA012989
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by NJ Shaviv - ‎2008 - ‎Cited by 40 - ‎Related articles
Nov 4, 2008 - With this in mind, we use the oceans as a calorimeter to measure the radiative forcing variations associated with the solar cycle. This is ...‎Abstract · ‎Introduction · ‎Theoretical and Empirical ... · ‎Deriving the Oceanic ...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/ener...r-rate-global-warming/?utm_term=.c3b4a1138ace

The higher-than-expected amount of heat in the oceans means more heat is being retained within Earth’s climate system each year, rather than escaping into space. In essence, more heat in the oceans signals that global warming is more advanced than scientists thought.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Then again, you know how to get pictures on here...:roll:
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Okay, I'll take pity on you Tim. There are 2 ways to add pictures to a post.

1)
After you click on Reply or Reply with Quote, Look above the white box text box and click on the "Insert Image" icon. It's like a little tree.
Choose the tab to upload an image from your computer or copy and paste an URL.


2)
Click on the "Go advanced" button at the bottom right of your screen.
Look under the white box where you type your post.
Click on Manage Attachments button, then add/upload the picture you want. It should be obvious from there.

I hope I don't regret helping you but whatever.
 
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Media_Truth said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ener...r-rate-global-warming/?utm_term=.c3b4a1138ace

The higher-than-expected amount of heat in the oceans means more heat is being retained within Earth’s climate system each year, rather than escaping into space. In essence, more heat in the oceans signals that global warming is more advanced than scientists thought.
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Why do they have their models so wrong that the heat of the ocean is higher than expected?

Ever give that an once of thought...

I have said for years not that the sun heats the oceans far more than they give credit for.
 
Media_Truth said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ener...r-rate-global-warming/?utm_term=.c3b4a1138ace

The higher-than-expected amount of heat in the oceans means more heat is being retained within Earth’s climate system each year, rather than escaping into space. In essence, more heat in the oceans signals that global warming is more advanced than scientists thought.
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Ahem. I guess you missed the update. It now leads the text.

Update: Researchers behind the study discussed below have since acknowledged errors in the work that renders the central conclusion much more uncertain, and have submitted a correction to the journal Nature. Read our new story about this development here.

The story is told in detail in this very thread. Nic Lewis, posting at Judith Curry's Climate, Etc. blog, uncovered serious errors in the paper and compelled corrections which produced a much less dramatic result.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Why do they have their models so wrong that the heat of the ocean is higher than expected?

Ever give that an once of thought...

I have said for years not that the sun heats the oceans far more than they give credit for.
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Please show your peer reviewed science that demonstrates that the sun has been increasing in intensity for the last 30-40 years, causing the steady increase in the ocean's temperature.
 
Jack Hays said:
Ahem. I guess you missed the update. It now leads the text.

Update: Researchers behind the study discussed below have since acknowledged errors in the work that renders the central conclusion much more uncertain, and have submitted a correction to the journal Nature. Read our new story about this development here.

The story is told in detail in this very thread. Nic Lewis, posting at Judith Curry's Climate, Etc. blog, uncovered serious errors in the paper and compelled corrections which produced a much less dramatic result.
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"Serious" --- actually the entire scientific world said they were very minor. Are you saying that the oceans aren't warming? What is your temperature increase of the oceans over the last 30-40 years?
 
Media_Truth said:
Please show your peer reviewed science that demonstrates that the sun has been increasing in intensity for the last 30-40 years, causing the steady increase in the ocean's temperature.
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Once again, your lack of comprehension skills are shopping...

I never said the sun has been increased in intensity over the last 3 - 4 decades.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Once again, your lack of comprehension skills are shopping...

I never said the sun has been increased in intensity over the last 3 - 4 decades.
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'shopping'? Do I need to remind you that "Words have meaning" LOP? :mrgreen:
 
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