Does being well educated make you more or less likely to recognize bull****?

[Cephus]

Since you probably won't read half of what I just said here.....In short, Democrats would love to see more African Americans among the ranks of the highest educated in the world. We have nothing to lose.

Except votes.

 

[PleasantValley]

You've just made a great argument for a broad liberal arts education, which I think is the best education.

IMHO a strong and broad liberally arts undergrad, followed by a solid professional degree (law, medicine, business/finance) is a very potent combination for life. You then have an education, and you have a well paying trade.

I try not to overly conflate "education" with "trade". They may overlap in places, but there's some distinct differences.

I did not conflate education with trade.
I compared formal college with education.
It is very well possible to be well educated, but no necessarily have a college degree.
As per my examples.
College is not the end all and final say about education or intelligence.

A bushman who can track a deer with a pointy stick for miles in the bush is better "educated" at this task than a Harvard professor who has been teaching Medieval literature for the last 20 years.
The bushman knows when and where the deer made a turn, how fast it was running, and if it is getting tired.
If both traded places with each other, then both in the other's element would be considered brain dead idiots who don't know anything.
In both cases those distractors would be wrong.
each are "well educated" in their own element and very good at it, and both are quite intelligent.

As a personal example, I was told by a substitute teacher once in high school that only those with college degrees should be allowed to have facial hair. I was 15 at the time and sported a very well defined mustache. It was in my genetics. To me, this guy was an idiot thinking academic achievement trumps biology. He was so far down the rabbit hole, he had his own reality.

 

[Removable Mind]

Yes, I'm pointing out a major flaw in the study's reasoning. That's something that I'm capable of doing because I have critical thinking skills and a decent education with a background in science. Their conclusions are highly suspect at best.

So you don’t believe that educated people have the ability to conceal their racism better?

Some seriously sick, educated psychopaths do extremely well in hiding their true nature and beliefs.

I’m educated too. I didn’t read the statistical data. If you did, please share the flaws.

 

[HK.227]

Bull**** artists who are trying to deceive don't need to fool all the people all the time. They only need to fool just enough people to get by.

Of course, and it should be added that overperforming is generally a waste of resources.
However, target audiences vary. If you are 50% smarter than the average person you will probably be able to see through most bull, but you will also be numerically insignificant. For other audiences the numbers will vary also, depending on what the bull artist is trying to achieve, what he has to work with, and what his threshold for success is. That goes for both Left and Right.

This is due to the availability of counter-arguments. A hundred years ago it was virtually impossible to find an Atheist who would be willing to out themselves publicly as an atheist and put for their arguments to be heard out of fear. Now anybody can google arguments for atheism. Tribalism is certainly a problem, but is a bad example of it.

In order for those counterarguments to be presented, we first had to stop burning people at the stake for presenting them.
That's a socially-acceptable thing, not a soundness-of-argument thing. Ergo, social factors preceed the presentation of the logical argument. Or short version: People tend to think of the consequences before they speak.

Communism by and large has been debunked. The Cold War was instramental in demonstrating the viability of it.

So has alchemy, but in a specific interval it was considered viable and everyone "knew" it worked.
Fifty-percent-above-average people realized Communism was garbage from the beginning, not during the cold war. But they were insufficient to debunk it until the bull artists gave up. Because social factors, some of which were actively interfered with by various stakeholders and bull artistes.

 

[jet57]

Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump | FiveThirtyEight

Does being well educated make you more or less likely to fall for bull****? Turns out Clinton actually improved the margin of victory over Obama in the most highly educated counties in the country whereas she lost votes in the less educated counties.

Donald Trump has a 32% approval rating much of which comes from racists, religious zealots, and the type of people that will vote almost exclusively to prevent any form of gun control to the point where they would vote for a pedephile in order to insure they don't have to wait 5 days to buy a gun.

I was told by a Trump supporter that with all the negative information being spread about Trump it shouldn't be a surprise that only 32% of Americans support him. As if it is just lie after lie after bull**** lie that's being told about him which makes foolish people assume he must be bad. How is this possible when the people most likely to support him are the least educated?

How is it possible that people who've actually taken classes in statistics are susceptible to people lying with statistics? How is it possible that people who've actually taken a critical thinking course could be worse at critical thinking?

Religion is drilled into your head by your parents from the time you are a child. Liberal College professors don't get access to you until you're at least 18 years old and have already formed a great many of your beliefs and opinions about the world. How is that they're so successful at brainwashing that they can overcome your parents and the church you've been attending since you were in diapers?

What makes journalists so different from the rest of Americans that they'd be willing to outright lie in order to hurt a leader who is Making America Great? Why don't they want America to be Great? Aren't most journalists White people? Aren't most of them men? Aren't most of them Christians just like the rest of us? The have families don't they? They pay taxes just like the rest of us right? Don't they have to pay for health insurance as well as the rest of us?

Can a country actually be Great if only 32% of the people living in it like the "improvements?"

Experience makes you recognize BS. A 50 year old Hill Billy can smell a city fella a mile away...

 

[Chomsky]

I did not conflate education with trade.
I compared formal college with education.
It is very well possible to be well educated, but no necessarily have a college degree.
As per my examples.
College is not the end all and final say about education or intelligence.

A bushman who can track a deer with a pointy stick for miles in the bush is better "educated" at this task than a Harvard professor who has been teaching Medieval literature for the last 20 years.
The bushman knows when and where the deer made a turn, how fast it was running, and if it is getting tired.
If both traded places with each other, then both in the other's element would be considered brain dead idiots who don't know anything.
In both cases those distractors would be wrong.
each are "well educated" in their own element and very good at it, and both are quite intelligent.

Fair enough.

But I took the thread topic of "recognizing B.S.", in terms of the political arena.

When analyzing the politicos' claims for a tax bill, it doesn't hurt to know a little economics. When discussing rights and freedoms, it doesn't hurt to know a little about the Constitution. Etc., etc.

And I will also say this: There is indeed a great deal to learn on one's own through books, the internet, and other resources. But I think it still pays to learn the basics first, in a formal setting. That give's one the basic tools to understand and acquire more knowledge on their own.

 

[Superfly]

It depends on how you define smart. If a group of people had less education but made more money would they be smarter than the "educated" group that was less successful?

Money has nothing whatsoever to do with being smart.

 

[iliveonramen]

But even places like California, where public education is paid for equally regardless of where the school is located, you still tend to get inner city blacks performing poorly in school because they've bought into the liberal lie that the planet is out to get them. They still tend to drop out at a rate much higher than people in non-ghetto schools. It's not the money that matters, it's the culture in which one lives and the lies one buys into. And unfortunately, the black demographic is effectively bought and paid for by the far left.

Or, they could perform worse due to other factors. Regardless of race, the income level of your parents and the education level of your parents typically impacts how well you perform in school. It doesn't matter if you black and living in the inner city in California or living in a trailer park in rural Alabama.


https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED375222

.....within income levels, the rates for Blacks and Whites were similar

The above is a bit dated but seems to still be quoted.

What doesn't make sense for you theory is why liberal states tend to provide education with better results than red states. It should be the opposite right? Dems want black to remain poor and uneducated and being educated and wealthy makes you a Republican right?

 

[MrWonka]

BS. A 50 year old Hill Billy can smell a city fella a mile away...

Being able to recognize someone from the city or the country has nothing to do with the merits of each person's arguments. In critical thinking rejecting the ideas of an individual by labeling them a city fella as if that is some kind of pejoriative would be an ad hominem or personal attack that is not a valid form of logic.

 

[Superfly]

Does the University of Alabama realistically count as an education in anything other than how to be an entitled football fan?

Yes.

https://www.ua.edu/about/quickfacts

Pretty impressive stats, and they have a higher than average retention status.

 

[MrWonka]

So you don’t believe that educated people have the ability to conceal their racism better?

They might, but this study doesn't really tell us that they're just as racist.

If you did, please share the flaws.

I already did. Everyone who took part in the survey was approximately 47 years old as of about 5 years ago. The focus on one age group and a relatively older one is one of the flaws. The other flaw is in the logic. The idea that not supporting something like school busing or affirmative action makes them less likely to want to help racial minorities is flawed thinking. Another possibility is that they simply don't think those policies will do much good. Given that the study showed that highly intelligent people were capable of recognizing and acknowledging the existence of racism it seems unlikely that they flat out don't want to prevent it at all.

 

[jet57]

Being able to recognize someone from the city or the country has nothing to do with the merits of each person's arguments. In critical thinking rejecting the ideas of an individual by labeling them a city fella as if that is some kind of pejoriative would be an ad hominem or personal attack that is not a valid form of logic.

(chuckle)

With the city fella comes the BS... Country people see it a mile a way. "Education" does not necessarily mean K-12 or University level. I've met plenty of grads - with master's degrees who are just as dumb as sticks and no people skills or street smarts and so little about the world around them that they should be embarrassed! When BS comes at you, you're sheep skin is not necessarily going to save you - unless the subject matter has something to do with your field, or you are a research junky like me and just love to learn on a variety of subject matter.

What you call BS is the failing of trying to sell something that others don't need.

 

[bearpoker]

I never claimed to know much of the arts. I do know what arts graduates do when faced with a difficult decision; Go with the pack.

Generally.

You never met my daughter. She's a visual artist who can spot a flaw or a phony from yards away and knows the difference between the surface and the core. Art requires precision and consistency, design and craft. I suspect the people you know aren't very good artists.

 

[MrWonka]

And yet look how many people believed Obama was not born in the U.S.

Almost no academics or well-educated people. That was the point I believe. The same types that believed Obama wasn't a citizen almost exclusively still think God exists.

 

[ecofarm]

This is not my experience of the generation of today... they have absolute lack of critical thinking skills... just passing a class in basic algebra does very little for your critical thinking skills... all most people do is memorize formulas and try to pass. All most people do today is just memorize and vomit out whatever their professors says...

No idea what age you are, but sometimes you get lucky and find a REAL professor who understands how important critical thinking is and how much students of today lack it.... that kind of professor changes lives. But unfortunately, they are the exception rather than the rule.

What a load of "good ol' days" crap.

 

[iliveonramen]

What a load of "good ol' days" crap.

"Your PhD in Physics means nothing, back in my day a Pre-School teacher taught you more than the professors now-a-days"

 

[MrWonka]

With the city fella comes the BS...

Donald Trump was born and raised in Manhattan.

 

[ecofarm]

"Your PhD in Physics means nothing, back in my day a Pre-School teacher taught you more than the professors now-a-days"

"Ol' Grand dad taught me more than all those highfalutin, brainwash degrees combined. Did you know white people are victims and liberalism is a mental disorder? They don't teach ya that, do they?"

 

[Bodi]

Needs a same vote option.

 

[Bodi]

"Ol' Grand dad taught me more than all those highfalutin, brainwash degrees combined. Did you know white people are victims and liberalism is a mental disorder? They don't teach ya that, do they?"

There we go with another racist post about white people...

 

[Mach]

Experience makes you recognize BS. A 50 year old Hill Billy can smell a city fella a mile away...

Judging a book by it's cover, very hillbilly of ya.

 

[ecofarm]

There we go with another racist post about white people...

Safe space ---->

 

[Bodi]

Safe space ---->

Why are you always making anti-white posts?

 

[ecofarm]

Why are you always making anti-white posts?

Your ignorance clouds your understanding. Go deny white privilege at stormfront.

 

[Chomsky]

Experience makes you recognize BS. A 50 year old Hill Billy can smell a city fella a mile away...

What the hell is that supposed to mean?