Does being well educated make you more or less likely to recognize bull****?

[celticwar17]

That just makes your "good ol' day" crap even more pathetic. Who are you trying to impress?

Is there anything specific you disagree with... or you just trolling?

 

[ecofarm]

Obviously working on post doctoral work at the University of Rush Limbaugh.

His dissertation: "Black people are bad".

 

[ecofarm]

Is there anything specific you disagree with... or you just trolling?

Your premise and conclusions are stupid, self serving garbage. Probably trying to feel better about not having an education. Is that clear enough?

 

[Chomsky]

It is the Street smarts are better than book smarts argument.

Yeah, except streets are an urban thing ... :lamo

 

[Bodi]

Your ignorance clouds your understanding. Go deny white privilege at stormfront.

Did those guys kick you out?

 

[ecofarm]

Did those guys kick you out?

When did you stop beating your wife?

 

[Bodi]

When did you stop beating your wife?

When I divorced you... but it was consensual. I just never liked it and when I came home that last time to find a Phillipino, a midget and an albino tying you up... well... that was the last straw. And what was a monkey doing in a tutu?

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

I think it depends...

If you are in college for something that requires critical thinking, like Math, Chemistry, Biology, Physics, Computer Science, etc....yes.


Humanities?.... hell no... you come out of college more ignorant than you went in.

False dichotomy. Music and writing, for example, are basically just stylized math. If you can do one, you can do the other.

STEM fields also teach you nothing about inarguably the most important aspect of human civilization: other humans.

Or, how about this: Who would you rather have at the negotiating table during a sensitive diplomatic effort with an unstable foreign official? Someone with a degree in something like psychology or sociology, but who can barely even do algebra,... or someone with a degree in engineering who can't hold a conversation to save their lives and has no sense whatsoever of when other people are uncomfortable?

In a situation like that, does it really matter whether or not you can do algebra?

The reality is, we need both kinds of people to make our societies work. People who contribute to art, human happiness, and human cohesion are not "ignorant" or useless. They are the glue that holds our entire civilization together, so that the people who are good at stuff like engineering actually have something to work with. After all, it takes human cooperation and a shared vision of our future to build a research facility, doesn't it.

One of the reasons our society is getting so depressed, sick, and has such travesties as letting our elderly rot in what amounts to uncodified jails, is that we devalue the absolute necessity of humans working for other humans and their well-being, in favor of simply looking at people as though they were machines or dollar signs, where their only possible value is punching in numbers and making us money.

That is not the only value of a human being, or even the most important.

 

[Cephus]

His dissertation: "Black people are bad".

More like "some people are assholes". But I think we all knew that.

 

[JMR]

I voted “more” in the poll but it comes with a big caveat as it would very much depend on the type of BS being spun.






So your inference that Trump supporters are taken by his version of political BS rather than genuinely responding to more underlaying problems within the landscape of our political realm I think is very off base. I am not sure even sure what you think it accomplishes minus demonizing supporters of an opposing political view based on very shaky grounds, loose connections and a lot of stretched assumptions. In other words, your peddling educated BS and likely yourself are attempting to deceive rather than investigate a real connection between voting patterns and intelligence.

In fact, the personality factor of "openness" directly associated with seeking education and liberal attitudes also puts one at a much higher risk of being pulled into a fraud or scam.

That would be implication...not inference. Which would be learned in any basic humanities course. I would think in any hard science course also. Having taken lots of both I find your conclusion completely illogical.

It is interesting how this conversation has devolved.

 

[NeverTrump]

Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump | FiveThirtyEight

Does being well educated make you more or less likely to fall for bull****? Turns out Clinton actually improved the margin of victory over Obama in the most highly educated counties in the country whereas she lost votes in the less educated counties.

Donald Trump has a 32% approval rating much of which comes from racists, religious zealots, and the type of people that will vote almost exclusively to prevent any form of gun control to the point where they would vote for a pedephile in order to insure they don't have to wait 5 days to buy a gun.

I was told by a Trump supporter that with all the negative information being spread about Trump it shouldn't be a surprise that only 32% of Americans support him. As if it is just lie after lie after bull**** lie that's being told about him which makes foolish people assume he must be bad. How is this possible when the people most likely to support him are the least educated?

How is it possible that people who've actually taken classes in statistics are susceptible to people lying with statistics? How is it possible that people who've actually taken a critical thinking course could be worse at critical thinking?

Religion is drilled into your head by your parents from the time you are a child. Liberal College professors don't get access to you until you're at least 18 years old and have already formed a great many of your beliefs and opinions about the world. How is that they're so successful at brainwashing that they can overcome your parents and the church you've been attending since you were in diapers?

What makes journalists so different from the rest of Americans that they'd be willing to outright lie in order to hurt a leader who is Making America Great? Why don't they want America to be Great? Aren't most journalists White people? Aren't most of them men? Aren't most of them Christians just like the rest of us? The have families don't they? They pay taxes just like the rest of us right? Don't they have to pay for health insurance as well as the rest of us?

Can a country actually be Great if only 32% of the people living in it like the "improvements?"

I'm 28. My parents are HUGE Trump supporters. Mom is basically RW Fox News CT. Dad is more Traditional Values guy. They are self-made upper middle-class. I used to think and they used to say, that they knew everything. I am middle-class. I am just now beginning to realize how stupid my parents really are. I'm not saying I'm smarter than them. I say stupid stuff all the time. Mostly that's cause I try to joke around with my family and break any silence that happens, but they are way too serious all the time. All my friends and co-workers think I'm really funny and get my stuff.

I've met some people who are WAY smarter than me who believe in the dumbest things and I'm talking about stuff like Chemtrails and fairies.

I think it's better to be well-rounded and that you pick your passions appropriately. I over indulge too much sometimes though

 

[celticwar17]

Your premise and conclusions are stupid, self serving garbage. Probably trying to feel better about not having an education. Is that clear enough?

I mean... I have an education... almost a graduate degree... and all I hear is just name calling... nothing of substance... in fact, this seems to be a pattern

 

[apdst]

The better educated you are, the likelier you are to be exposed to (and practice) critical thinking.

And to be exposed to a wider variety of views and information in general, to produce a broader perspective instead of a narrow one. This provides a better foundation for rationally and more objectively evaluating things.

Does that means that most Liberals aren't very educated?

 

[celticwar17]

False dichotomy. Music and writing, for example, are basically just stylized math. If you can do one, you can do the other.

STEM fields also teach you nothing about inarguably the most important aspect of human civilization: other humans.

Or, how about this: Who would you rather have at the negotiating table during a sensitive diplomatic effort with an unstable foreign official? Someone with a degree in something like psychology or sociology, but who can barely even do algebra,... or someone with a degree in engineering who can't hold a conversation to save their lives and has no sense whatsoever of when other people are uncomfortable?

In a situation like that, does it really matter whether or not you can do algebra?

The reality is, we need both kinds of people to make our societies work. People who contribute to art, human happiness, and human cohesion are not "ignorant" or useless. They are the glue that holds our entire civilization together, so that the people who are good at stuff like engineering actually have something to work with. After all, it takes human cooperation and a shared vision of our future to build a research facility, doesn't it.

One of the reasons our society is getting so depressed, sick, and has such travesties as letting our elderly rot in what amounts to uncodified jails, is that we devalue the absolute necessity of humans working for other humans and their well-being, in favor of simply looking at people as though they were machines or dollar signs, where their only possible value is punching in numbers and making us money.

That is not the only value of a human being, or even the most important.

modern humanities doesn't teach anything but activism. Not that I think humanities isn't important, it very much is. And there are some few professors in the humanities that can teach them critically.... though my opinion is that the current state of humanities at university, you are more ignorant having taken it than if you just chose to not go in the field of study at all.

 

[Lursa]

Does that means that most Liberals aren't very educated?

If you were leading by example, conservatives would not even be given the status to consent on their own behalf.

 

[apdst]

If you were leading by example, conservatives would not even be given the status to consent on their own behalf.

Liberals sure do fall for bull****, a lot. That's why I'm asking.

 

[yankintx]

The greatest part of my education, besides the Degree was critical thinking skills. Trump supporters should try a little critical thinking, they would see Trump for the Con he has always been.

 

[Rosie1]

Chemtrails, OMG, you're describing my cousin, Sherry. She's so sweet and has a lot of college, but where does she come up with this crazy stuff? She will probably live to be 90, but spending an hour with her, one would think she's nuts. I just change the subject and take her the way she is, lol.

 

[PirateMk1]

Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump | FiveThirtyEight

Does being well educated make you more or less likely to fall for bull****? Turns out Clinton actually improved the margin of victory over Obama in the most highly educated counties in the country whereas she lost votes in the less educated counties.

Donald Trump has a 32% approval rating much of which comes from racists, religious zealots, and the type of people that will vote almost exclusively to prevent any form of gun control to the point where they would vote for a pedephile in order to insure they don't have to wait 5 days to buy a gun.

I was told by a Trump supporter that with all the negative information being spread about Trump it shouldn't be a surprise that only 32% of Americans support him. As if it is just lie after lie after bull**** lie that's being told about him which makes foolish people assume he must be bad. How is this possible when the people most likely to support him are the least educated?

How is it possible that people who've actually taken classes in statistics are susceptible to people lying with statistics? How is it possible that people who've actually taken a critical thinking course could be worse at critical thinking?

Religion is drilled into your head by your parents from the time you are a child. Liberal College professors don't get access to you until you're at least 18 years old and have already formed a great many of your beliefs and opinions about the world. How is that they're so successful at brainwashing that they can overcome your parents and the church you've been attending since you were in diapers?

What makes journalists so different from the rest of Americans that they'd be willing to outright lie in order to hurt a leader who is Making America Great? Why don't they want America to be Great? Aren't most journalists White people? Aren't most of them men? Aren't most of them Christians just like the rest of us? The have families don't they? They pay taxes just like the rest of us right? Don't they have to pay for health insurance as well as the rest of us?

Can a country actually be Great if only 32% of the people living in it like the "improvements?"

Define "Well Educated." I bet my definition and your varies greatly.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

modern humanities doesn't teach anything but activism. Not that I think humanities isn't important, it very much is. And there are some few professors in the humanities that can teach them critically.... though my opinion is that the current state of humanities at university, you are more ignorant having taken it than if you just chose to not go in the field of study at all.

Well, they factually do. Advances continue to be made in all of those fields, and a great many of them involve a lot of critical research (everything from psych to media).

If your problem is that their culture is one that tends to question the established way of doing things, um... isn't that part of the definition of critical thinking? Perhaps the issue is that you only like "critical thinking" that agrees with you? :lol:

Furthermore, this is not new. Universities have always been like that. What, did you not learn about the 50's and 60's in your history books?

 

[Cephus]

Liberals sure do fall for bull****, a lot. That's why I'm asking.

Anyone who cares more about feelings than facts falls for BS. Neither side is immune.

 

[Conaeolos]

That would be implication...not inference. Which would be learned in any basic humanities course. I would think in any hard science course also. Having taken lots of both I find your conclusion completely illogical.

It is interesting how this conversation has devolved.

LOL, guess I missed that day…and I think you meant to say you disagree with my opinion/claims. Okay? I guess we disagree maybe you’d like to elaborate a little more on your POV? I mean I’d love to explain more on what I said, but it kind of hard if you’ve already label my position as "completely illogical".

I may not agree with the original position but I can grasp its internal logic. I think the main flaws are 1) you can't draw a link between education and voting pattern as the category of "educated" is too diverse. 2) it depends on the type of BS detection we are referring, specfically trivial(e.g. bully tactics) or sophisticated(fraud).

 

[FieldTheorist]

Does being educated make you more or less likely to recognize BS?

Depends on the bull****.

 

[Daisy]

Book smarts has nothing to do with having common sense...in my experience, those with book sense have little if any common sense...

 

[Mach]

I believe that teaching kids to enjoy reading is almost the most important thing we can do. To read is to open up possibilities. To know what is out there is to yearn for it, to motivate, to let kids know how many great things they can do in life if they try.

32M American's can't read.
85% who hit juvenile court, illiterate.
Over 70% of inmates read at 4th grade level or below.
(source huffpost)

Scary stuff. Friend of mine took in his nephew of 17 a few years back to get him away from bad influences. The kid, raised same area we all were, was basically illiterate. It blew my mind, I think I felt the earth shift when he told me that.