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Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally. [W:349]

Do you agree with the intent to get at white supremacists through their employers?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 28 66.7%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

"Ambitious" is your definition only. When the mayor ordered the stand down is common knowledge, so I feel no need to post a link.

So now you're changing the goal post.

You've been saying over and over again "cancel the permit"

Now you're talking about a stand down, which is in reference to police action.

And no, see you don't get to just go "Well, everyone knows!" No, it's clear that people don't know what the **** you're talking about since multiple people are asking you to clarify. The fact you can't actually bother to clarify yourself is a glaring signal that your argument is likely founded on some form of dishonesty.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Very hard to have any sympathy at all for anyone who might lose their job for being "outed" as an American 2017 Nazi.

Nope. Not gonna lose any sleep over it.

As despicable as their philosophy may be, So much for free speech!
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.





If I may.....

" has suggested that Reddit’s ban is rooted in r/altright members attempting to dox the individual who punched white nationalist Richard Spencer on Inauguration Day, after video of the incident went viral."


That's a criminal assault. (I would punch that nazi myself, but that is a crime) Outing someone who broke the law is doxing?


SPLC is a hack site with no credibility, it was CNN who threatened to dox the kid, having an individual threaten retaliation seems fair play, no?

LAst one a real doxing.


Milo is neither a racist or a nazi so not sure why you lumped him in with this, oh wait, that's the current play to attach anyone who is right of center with nazis.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

See this is your problem.
"Both sides"
Antifa scum, nazis and white nationalists, that's both sides. What your ilk tries to do is paint anyone who is not left of center with the same "alt-right" tag and lump them in with these racists. Antifa no more represents the everyday liberal minded person, than these nazis represent everyday conservatives.

"both sides" was a quote, btw.

A quote I questioned.

:shrug:


The poster said that the Nazis were a part of someone's side—"their side".
"Whose side are the Nazis a part of?", I ask.

You can check the post I was responding to.
But I won't waste effort providing the context that already exists.
Believe me or not.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I don't know that some of those protestors have enough sense to understand the difference between nazism and other forms of white activism. For example, one young guy pictured on this thread has both a KKK patch and a Nazi patch on his BDUs. That has not always been the case since your average kluxer parted company with the National Socialists. I keep referring to an older movie called "Betrayed" with Tom Berenger in it. That movie illustrated the differences between white activist groups and was eerily accurate in its portrayal of white racialists of the time period. Back in the day, the KKK and nazis may march in the same protest, but they marched in groups according to their affiliation. Outside of the race issue, the two major players didn't have a lot in common a couple of decades ago.

It appears that a lot of that has changed, but what bothers me is that the nazi solutions are the ones that even mainstream are willing to accept.

My personal guess is that their ranks are made up of a hardcore criminal element who have no serious political ambitions and internet tough guys.
But they all think that the same hateful, evil, un-American **** is cool regardless of their personal potential or accomplishments.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I can't get behind this idea, as there's no guarantee that these people were actually Nazis. By all means, expose the people who were carrying around tiki torches and chanting "blood and soil," but guilt by association just isn't something I can approve of, no matter how well-intentioned.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Alt Right fascists include neo-nazis and KKK.

How does that answer my question?
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.



Ignorance is bliss huh?



Not one time has anyone said otherwise that I've seen here. You seem to think antifa are heroes. **** them. Hopefully people start using their 2nd amendment rights on them. Just like they should have on the guy in the car. Don't make excuses for domestic terrorists.


Lol. I am not making excuses for violent behavior. I am pointing out that this isn't a mere issue of violence behavior. Antifa is new. White Nationalism has a long history of violence and their ideology is deplorable. There are even white nationalist leaders calling for "peaceful ethnic cleansing." Would you support that, because it's not violent? To equate the two and say there equal in terms of their violence or ideology is giving white nationalist a lot of validation. When that ideology takes control of government and society their violence is not limited to counter protesters. They are known for using violence and terrorizing completely innocent people.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Lol. I am not making excuses for violent behavior. I am pointing out that this isn't a mere issue of violence behavior. Antifa is new. White Nationalism has a long history of violence and their ideology is deplorable. There are even white nationalist leaders calling for "peaceful ethnic cleansing." Would you support that, because it's not violent? To equate the two and say there equal in terms of their violence or ideology is giving white nationalist a lot of validation. When that ideology takes control of government and society their violence is not limited to counter protesters. They are known for using violence and terrorizing completely innocent people.

Is calling for ethnic cleansing evil?

If you answer yes to that then you are going to have to say the members of the new black panthers that say all white babies should be killed is also evil, right?
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

OK, Yoda ;)



The alt-right, fascists, white supremacists etc are already doing worse. Doxxing and harassing targets is a routine practice. Anti-fascists are largely doing this as a retaliatory response.

Doxxing is also non violent, but the critics are not evening praising it for that fact. How would they suggest people oppose these scum bags?
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Is calling for ethnic cleansing evil? If you answer yes to that then you are going to have to say the members of the new black panthers that say all white babies should be killed is also evil, right?
Of course it is. And if the NBPP is saying such a thing, then, yes, they are evil like our American white supremacists.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Alt Right fascists include neo-nazis and KKK.

Lets assume for a second that the Neo-Nazi movement in america is wholly and completely equatable to the Nazi movement of Germany in 1940s...

Even if that's the case, the White Nationalism movement, or the "Alt Right", has within it's ranks people who identify as Nazi's and with the KKK. They also have individuals who do not identify with either of those groups or their full tenets.

Does the fact that Nazi's are part of that movement condemn the entire movement as Nazi's? Does this "a group is defined by it's most extreme elements" mentality cut across all instances, or is it isolated here?

The reason I ask this is a recent news story I read where an individual who was hosting a protest to keep civil war memorials in Richmond has cancelled the protest in the wake of Charlottesville. He does not subscribe to the ideology of Nazis, he does not believe in white surpemacy, he's not a member of the KKK, and he stated he had no desire for his protest to simply be a magnet that brings out of area radicals to punch on other out of area radicals. He felt the statutes that are threatened in Richmond are a piece of history and of the local culture and wished to see them preserved, but his political stance did not go beyond that.

If Charlottesville's violence didn't happen, this man's protest in Richmond likely would not have been cancelled. Had it not been cancelled, undoubtedly, like maggots (quite appropriate) to dead flesh, there would be these nationalist, nazi, and KKK styled individuals and groups who would have still shown up. Yet that would not any more have made the guy organizing the protest a "nazi" than he is now, on the day in which he's cancelled it. His views, purposes, and intent for being at the protest then would have been the same as it was today prior to canceling it.

This is, in part, my hesitance with this ridiculous notion I've seen perpetrating the internet which seems to go like this: "Nazi's support genocide and killing non-whites THEREFORE Being a Nazi inherently is a violent threat THEREFORE it's justified to deny them speech and physically assault them". This logic, even with actual true Neo-Nazi's, would be troubling but at least in some twisted and contorted way I can see where the person is coming from with their argument. However, this logic falls apart immensely when one is applying it to individuals who you have zero credible way to know supports or identifies as the violent genocidal murderous tenets of Nazism, except that they're at a march about something that is NOT those specific tenets, near people who are clearly showing themselves to be nazis.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

As despicable as their philosophy may be, So much for free speech!
"free speech" does not mean speech free of consequences.

It just means that the govt isn't going to shut down speech.

There's never been a guarantee that your fellow Americans would like what you do with your free speech.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Then it is good for antifa that they cover their faces!

I heard that they are anarchists who intend on committing crimes.
So they cover their faces as criminals are wont to do.

Do they have a right to protect their identities because they commit their crimes for ostensibly political reasons?
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

"Both sides"?

One is either a ****ing Nazi or a liberal?

Good ****ing grief.

The conservative market segment is officially ****ing monkey nuts—loving the Russians and the Nazis.
the **** man?

It's not actually necessary to love Nazis (or Russians for that matter) to oppose this. I can't stand the worthless ****ers if for no other reason than that their mere existence is a convenient bludgeon to use against anyone on the right. That said, I'm not comfortable with this, really, because the main argument seems to be, they're Nazis so **** em. I totally understand the sentiment but once you decide that certain things are ok just because of what a person believes, that's a scary road. It's not far from then saying, well they're Nazis so so what if we take there right to assemble and speak away? I know people often argue that the "slippery slope" is not really a thing, but I disagree. Isn't it basically what progressivism is (and there are left and right progressives)? Taking incremental steps toward some over all goal? And once it becomes palatable to target people because of their believes, it's easier to justify it for other groups.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I heard that they are anarchists who intend on committing crimes.
So they cover their faces as criminals are wont to do.

Do they have a right to protect their identities because they commit their crimes for ostensibly political reasons?

I would not think so. They are common thugs.
 
Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Doxxing is also non violent, but the critics are not evening praising it for that fact. How would they suggest people oppose these scum bags?

Everyone already does oppose them. Most times only a few dozen show up for these types of rallies, they have their little march and they crawl back under the rocks from whence they came. Here they sent out a call and Nazis from around the country flowed into Virginia. Even with that there was only a couple hundred. They are insignificant. They get more exposure when a violent confrontation happens.
 
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