Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally. [W:349]

[PirateMk1]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

...except the problem, again, is that alt-right / neo-Nazis are already doxxing and harassing their political adversaries. They are already using political violence to get their way, including terrorist acts.

You're not describing a "neo-Nazi backlash." You're basically describing a typical day in American fascism.

I am describing backlash in general period. People start losing jobs and cant get work over this stuff is going to create a major problem. I don't care WHO they are it doesn't matter. People just need to ignore the idiots in life.

 

[joG]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I still don't follow.
Former Nazi Germans have been shamed and not just shamed out of jobs...literally tried and jailed once outed, for decades now...where was this backlash then, when it was in far greater numbers? Crickets.

It is quite right, that a man in Germany was recently tried for participation in 300.000 murders in Auschwitz and sentenced to about 4 years for the crime. He probably won't go to jail as he is 95. But, I guess he is shamed.

I didn't quite understand, what your post had to do with the thread, though.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

If you publicly attend a public Nazi rally, in public, didn't you "out" yourself as a Nazi piece of ****?

However, trespassing and intimidating someone on their lawn are other things entirely, imho. ymmv

On the public right of way in front of your home as some people do to thier senators. Is this really that hard a concept for you folks?


I'm all for it, I'm just pointing out, you are in a war, don't cry foul if they return the favor.

You're concerned that the folks who gave Nazi salutes to a ****ing Nazi flag were somehow mis-labeled racists.

You would have to convince me you were of feeble mind to make that sort of comment. I don't think you are suffering such a constitution of mind, so you must be takin the piss as they say. Please don't prove me wrong.

What would it take for you to be really, truly sure that the Nazi ****s were actually racist Nazi ****s?

Given you had to embarrass yourself to come up with this strawman I am hesitant to explain the obvious to you.


There are nazis, racists, and other scum. then there are people like Sean Stiles who are simply right of center trump supporters who antifa scum like adjunct ethics professor from berkely eric clantor decided was no better than the nazi scum in Virginia and tried to murder hiim with a bike lock. for the crime of holding an opposing view.



IF ISIS got into a war with AL Qaeda, who side would you be on? That's the question you people are posing. You are not accepting "neither the nazis or the antifa side" as an answer. that's your dilemma, not mine.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

...except the problem, again, is that alt-right / neo-Nazis are already doxxing and harassing their political adversaries. They are already using political violence to get their way, including terrorist acts.

You're not describing a "neo-Nazi backlash." You're basically describing a typical day in American fascism.

Just curious, who did they Dox?

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

So you would prefer 'Sanders supporter?'

Thank you for your concession. Sanders is a self described socialist. Where are the American marxists, Fletch.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

There is this:
http://gotnews.com/marxist-public-c...d-murder-attempts-berkeley-free-speech-rally/

gotnews is an alt right neo-nazi site. They can't define marxist either.

 

[Mach]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

It is quite right, that a man in Germany was recently tried for participation in 300.000 murders in Auschwitz and sentenced to about 4 years for the crime. He probably won't go to jail as he is 95. But, I guess he is shamed.I didn't quite understand, what your post had to do with the thread, though.

Did you not see who I quoted? PirateMk1. In response to his opinion that shaming Nazis will create some bad negative backlash effect.
I claim that seems unlikely considering we shame, remove from jobs/prevent, etc., all sorts of people, including actual Nazi Germans, and have for decades, and there has been no big negative change. It's all bullying, so I agree it does have negative elements in *every* case. But that's the status quo.

 

[Parrish]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I don't agree with doxing these vile individuals. In Nazi Germany Jews were outed to the Gestapo. Just my opinion.
However, if cause is found for firing someone ( and not because of a dox ) then that is the employer's right.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

If you mean the attempt to cancel the permit if they refused to agree to change locations from where they were already granted a permit....then according to the ACLU and a District Court judge, no, no the mayor did not have that right. If you're meaning some other point in which cancelling happened, could you clarify it?

If you think you are making a point, well, you really are not. Yes, the mayor had the right to do as he did at the time he did. The alt right could have litigated that later and come back if they were right. Instead, they escalated.

 

[Mach]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Those former Nazis were tried and jailed for their actual crimes, not something they thought.
You can't compare the two.

That's not accurate. They are being outed for their behavior, in attending, physically, a white nationalist rally.
No one mind read them and prosecuted them for secret thoughts. Only thoughts that were acted on.

Have all the thoughts you want. Go to a rally, and people may boycott you, as they see fit.

 

[blackjack50]

Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

"Both sides"?

One is either a ****ing Nazi or a liberal?

Good ****ing grief.

The conservative market segment is officially ****ing monkey nuts—loving the Russians and the Nazis.
the **** man?

At what point did I say anything about being a "liberal or a Nazi?" I believe I said the "nature of our political climate" and "both sides." Meaning...yes...liberals and conservatives. Not liberals and "Nazis."

In THIS case you seem to only support (in the guise of making excuses for) free speech for leftist extremists like anti fa. Instead of right wing extremists like neo Nazis. And why? Because you know Nazis (no **** we all know that) are crazy, but you are too partisan to acknowledge that about left wing extremists who resort to violence...then make excuses for them when they do...or excuse their radical views because "reasons" as if their road to hell is any different.

At least that is the nature of this cluster **** of a political climate is that it is bipolar and one side seems to believe that rights only apply to their side. Be it free speech or press or religion or guns or whatever. Good ****ing lord. That was not a difficult concept for any other non radicalized adult to understand. Why did you misunderstand that?

The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).

 

[The Resister]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

One could make an argument in these cases that these are examples of over-heated rhetoric.
Hateful, evil rhetoric that came out while passions were high.
That argument maybe unfounded and wrong-headed.
But it's a legitimate option.

But one cannot make the same case of Nazism.
It's not a legitimate option to argue that Nazism is not serious about genocide.

Nazism is not just another non-mainstream political option.

I don't know that some of those protestors have enough sense to understand the difference between nazism and other forms of white activism. For example, one young guy pictured on this thread has both a KKK patch and a Nazi patch on his BDUs. That has not always been the case since your average kluxer parted company with the National Socialists. I keep referring to an older movie called "Betrayed" with Tom Berenger in it. That movie illustrated the differences between white activist groups and was eerily accurate in its portrayal of white racialists of the time period. Back in the day, the KKK and nazis may march in the same protest, but they marched in groups according to their affiliation. Outside of the race issue, the two major players didn't have a lot in common a couple of decades ago.

It appears that a lot of that has changed, but what bothers me is that the nazi solutions are the ones that even mainstream are willing to accept.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

In Germany you couldn't legally post or publish their pictures.

In Germany their flags are banned. Anyway, maybe next time these guys will remember to bring their bed sheets.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Because there is no equivalency. There is a non-nazi group and there is a neo-nazi group, the latter one which is going to be crushed by its fellow non-nazi citizens.

I want neo Nazis crushed too. Who doesnt?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

"Both sides"?

One is either a ****ing Nazi or a liberal?

Good ****ing grief.

The conservative market segment is officially ****ing monkey nuts—loving the Russians and the Nazis.
the **** man?

See this is your problem.


"Both sides"


Antifa scum, nazis and white nationalists, that's both sides. What your ilk tries to do is paint anyone who is not left of center with the same "alt-right" tag and lump them in with these racists. Antifa no more represents the everyday liberal minded person, than these nazis represent everyday conservatives.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

At what point did I say anything about being a "liberal or a Nazi?" I believe I said the "nature of our political climate" and "both sides." Meaning...yes...liberals and conservatives. Not liberals and "Nazis."

My apologies, we were talking about Nazis and I thought you started splitting everyone into two groups.


You said,"...both sides seem to believe in only rights of free speech for their own side. "


And one of the sides is the Nazis we were talking about.


Who is on the Nazi's side?

In THIS case you seem to only support (in the guise of making excuses for) free speech for leftist extremists like anti fa. Instead of right wing extremists like neo Nazis. And why? Because you know Nazis (no **** we all know that) are crazy, but you are too partisan to acknowledge that about left wing extremists who resort to violence...then make excuses for them when they do...or excuse their radical views because "reasons" as if their road to hell is any different.


At least that is the nature of this cluster **** of a political climate is that it is bipolar and one side seems to believe that rights only apply to their side. Be it free speech or press or religion or guns or whatever. Good ****ing lord. That was not a difficult concept for any other non radicalized adult to understand. Why did you misunderstand that?

As far as I can tell, I've never spoken a word in antifa's defense.
If they want to show up to public events, then I don't care if photos taken at those public events are posted online.

 

[Zyphlin]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

If you think you are making a point, well, you really are not. Yes, the mayor had the right to do as he did at the time he did. The alt right could have litigated that later and come back if they were right. Instead, they escalated.

I'm not trying to make a point, I'm trying to get you to clarify what the **** you're actually talking about.

Provide a link, or at least a time reference, for what cancelling of a permit you're talking about?

Asking you to clarify you're ambiguous non-sourced statement is not trying to make a point, it's trying to just understand what the hell you're talking about.

 

[Visbek]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Just curious, who did they Dox?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/2/3/14486856/reddit-bans-alt-right-doxing-harassment

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...staffers-over-reddit-user-behind-trumpcnn-gif

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatest...r-phone-number?utm_term=.njbJmVA87#.snvpX8BEy

Milo Yiannopoulos routinely doxed his enemies

It's a pretty common tactic by the alt-right, white supremacists etc

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Is it OK to engage in extreme violence if you don't support genocide?

There were militant groups like the Partisans fighting Nazis during WW2. A lot of the Partisans escaped from concentration camps. I am not going to condemn them. Sometimes violence is question of violence is a question of moral imperative. Anybody who cannot admit that is either a liar or person completely ignorant of American and world history. As to this specific issue, I don't see any valid reason to use mass violence against the Virginia neo nazis. I also cannot moralize or rationalize any valid reason for racists to show up with shields, torches, and weaponery over a statue. Right there, it looks like one group showed up to fight. Americans tend to be silent when it is state violence however, so I guess it would be cool for cops to get out tanks and make mass arrests in the furture.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Translation: I know you are but what am I. Did you think that up yourself?

And the Marxist who shot up a ball field of congressional republicans. How convenient that you forgot about him already. And just so you know, counter protestors who show up with the intent to engage in violence are not 'good guys.' Its not possible that you don't understand this, but here we are.

How do you figure the guy was a communist?

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I'm not trying to make a point, I'm trying to get you to clarify what the **** you're actually talking about.

Provide a link, or at least a time reference, for what cancelling of a permit you're talking about?

Asking you to clarify you're ambiguous non-sourced statement is not trying to make a point, it's trying to just understand what the hell you're talking about.

"Ambitious" is your definition only. When the mayor ordered the stand down is common knowledge, so I feel no need to post a link.

 

[Mason66]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

There were militant groups like the Partisans fighting Nazis during WW2. A lot of the Partisans escaped from concentration camps. I am not going to condemn them. Sometimes violence is question of violence is a question of moral imperative. Anybody who cannot admit that is either a liar or person completely ignorant of American and world history. As to this specific issue, I don't see any valid reason to use mass violence against the Virginia neo nazis. I also cannot moralize or rationalize any valid reason for racists to show up with shields, torches, and weaponery over a statue. Right there, it looks like one group showed up to fight. Americans tend to be silent when it is state violence however, so I guess it would be cool for cops to get out tanks and make mass arrests in the furture.

So the white supremacists just standing there gives the other group the right to attack them with violence because it is a moral imperative?

Why are you comparing the people at this rally to Germany in the 1940s?

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

See this is your problem.


"Both sides"


Antifa scum, nazis and white nationalists, that's both sides. What your ilk tries to do is paint anyone who is not left of center with the same "alt-right" tag and lump them in with these racists. Antifa no more represents the everyday liberal minded person, than these nazis represent everyday conservatives.

A few are, yes.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

On the public right of way in front of your home as some people do to thier senators. Is this really that hard a concept for you folks?

You used the words "his front lawn"
I did not realize that you meant "On the public right of way in front of your home"

Thank you for the clarification.

You of course see how that was confusing.

I'm all for it, I'm just pointing out, you are in a war, don't cry foul if they return the favor.

Why would I cry foul over photos of people at public events being posted online?

Is this really a war?

Americans against the Nazis?

Or are the Nazis part of some other "side"

You would have to convince me you were of feeble mind to make that sort of comment. I don't think you are suffering such a constitution of mind, so you must be takin the piss as they say. Please don't prove me wrong.

Given you had to embarrass yourself to come up with this strawman I am hesitant to explain the obvious to you.

I thought you were putting all those different situations together because you were making the point t hat they were similar.

I am glad you see them as unrelated.

There are nazis, racists, and other scum. then there are people like Sean Stiles who are simply right of center trump supporters who antifa scum like adjunct ethics professor from berkely eric clantor decided was no better than the nazi scum in Virginia and tried to murder hiim with a bike lock. for the crime of holding an opposing view.

If you take part in a public rally where people are giving Nazi salutes to a Nazi flag, you know full well what you're getting yourself into.

IF ISIS got into a war with AL Qaeda, who side would you be on? That's the question you people are posing. You are not accepting "neither the nazis or the antifa side" as an answer. that's your dilemma, not mine.

Not who "you people" are, but I am making the exact opposite point.

This is not a two sides thing.

Every time someone makes this a two sides thing, I have to ask, "Whose side are the Nazis on?"

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

So the white supremacists just standing there gives the other group the right to attack them with violence because it is a moral imperative?

Why are you comparing the people at this rally to Germany in the 1940s?

Alt Right fascists include neo-nazis and KKK.