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They all worship the God of Abraham.
In theory, but no, they are different Gods with different rules.
They all worship the God of Abraham.
They all worship the God of Abraham.
Correct, but the devil (quite literally) is in the detail.
I fear that ferreting in the undergrowth for a particular stick lying in a crosswise direction, ignores the giant forest canopy surrounding you all.
Christians worship Jesus
The forest is the difference, not the stick. Spending eternity in "gardens of bliss with purified companions" versus "the blazing fire" is what's at stake (according to several hundred verses in the Qur'an.
So, a mass murderer who "finds Jesus" at the end of his life goes to heaven ….
Originally Posted by Magdalene
God is willing to forgive all who are sincere and repent …..
:shock:………….while an atheist who spends his life helping the poor goes to hell. Wow.
Yes. Wow.
I think this says it all.
A sinner has to be humble enough to acknowledge his sins and ask for forgiveness, Steve.
Surely, an atheist will not meet that requifement - UNLESS he asks for God's forgiveness (in which case, he's no longer an atheist!) doh.
Furthermore...…..
God knows what's in a person's heart and mind. You don't.
:shock:
What kind of logic are you trying to project?
The atheist doesn't believe in God....so, why would you expect the atheist to be rewarded by the very God that he claims to not exist? :lol:
Lol. I'm sure the atheist will be quite content to die believing there's nothing else after death, right? Won't you?
You guys carry on like as if...………………... you're missing out on what you believe is a "non-existent" party that you're not invited to! :lol:
Yes. Wow.
I think this says it all.
A sinner has to be humble enough to acknowledge his sins and ask for forgiveness, Steve.
Surely, an atheist will not meet that requifement - UNLESS he asks for God's forgiveness (in which case, he's no longer an atheist!) doh
Furthermore...…..
God knows what's in a person's heart and mind. You don't.
:shock:
What kind of logic are you trying to project?
The atheist doesn't believe in God....so, why would you expect the atheist to be rewarded by the very God that he claims to not exist? :lol:
Lol. I'm sure the atheist will be quite content to die believing there's nothing else after death, right? Won't you?
You guys carry on like as if...………………... you're missing out on what you believe is a "non-existent" party that you're not invited to! :lol:
What Steve was pointing out is that if Hitler just sincerely asked god for forgiveness and asked Jesus into his heart right before his death, he'll go to heaven, while all of the pious and moral people who believe in the wrong religion, or no religion at all, will be tortured for eternity. That's not justice, but that's the crap you believe.
You have to be pretty thick to not get the point.
I'm criticizing the fact that what kind of person you were in life counts for nothing in term of whether or not you get into heaven (according to your beliefs). How can that be acceptable to you?
What Steve was pointing out is that if Hitler just sincerely asked god for forgiveness and asked Jesus into his heart right before his death, he'll go to heaven, while all of the pious and moral people who believe in the wrong religion, or no religion at all, will be tortured for eternity. That's not justice, but that's the crap you believe.
You don't see it as justice....because you are not God.
I think, with people like Hitler, it is people who find it hard to forgive. There's no denying that what he'd done is horrendous - but I think a lot of you folks who think that way about Hitler, are not bothered by the millions of unborn children that are being slaughtered even as we speak today. In fact, a lot of you are champions of the slaughtering.
Selective "justice," is it?
This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham
The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.
The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.
The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.
Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.
Or they are different Gods.
Does it matter? Any god will do if we have morals.
Ten simple Commandments from a god not the Expense of secular and temporal Government!
You're also not god, so I guess you don't see it as justice either. So yeah, according to your doctrine, as long as Hitler was really sorry before he died and prayed about it, he went to heaven, while the billions of people who live peaceful lives as good people but pick the wrong religion will be tortured for eternity.
How can you stand the concept of tons of people you know and cared about being tortured for eternity without reprieve because they picked the wrong thing when christianity can't be proven? If that doesn't bother you, you have a lot of sadism in you.
Actually it does matter.
All the Gods are different, and the morals also.
The point is, it cannot be about Morals if we have the Expense of secular and temporal Government on Earth.
God has set and told us the requirement to get to that party.
You're also not god, so I guess you don't see it as justice either.
as long as Hitler was really sorry before he died and prayed about it, he went to heaven,
while the billions of people who live peaceful lives as good people but pick the wrong religion will be tortured for eternity.
How can you stand the concept of tons of people you know and cared about being tortured for eternity without reprieve because they picked the wrong thing when christianity can't be proven?
If that doesn't bother you, you have a lot of sadism in you.
Well - those billions of people who had chosen the wrong god are no better than atheists who had chosen
to reject God.
So everybody who is not fundamental and evangelical goes to hell?
OMG - tell me that this fanatical rubbish is not true ....
edit?
Where did I edit?
I quoted one of your sentences - completley - as it is - without changing anything.
Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
So everybody who is not fundamental and evangelical goes to hell?
OMG - tell me that this fanatical rubbish is not true ....