Distributions of wealth in this country

[Maccabee]

Then you better look a little closer , because two years into the Nazi party organization compared to two years into the hate party organization and buddy you and your party are by far the winner of the hate competition. AS long as you follow the same program and plans of the Nazi party I will compare you and your hate group to it. If you don't like it go away.

Ok, and what nazi policies have I endorsed or the party I'm affiliated with implemented in the past 2 years? Please name one.

 

[concernedpuma]

Ok, and what nazi policies have I endorsed or the party I'm affiliated with implemented in the past 2 years? Please name one.

Mac, I think you may be pumping a dry well.
Regards,
CP

 

[concernedpuma]

I completely reject the wholesale notion that our President is a hate monger, and that all Republicans are haters. It is distressing to see that Government resisters are gaining any traction using specious propaganda and oft repeated lies. Especially with reasonable people, as you appear.
That being said, in my opinion, you are right to hate those who would destroy our country. I certainly do.
Regards,
CP

I recall, reasonable.
Regards,
CP

 

[jbander]

Ok, and what nazi policies have I endorsed or the party I'm affiliated with implemented in the past 2 years? Please name one.

Sure absolutely no problem, when Nazi Germany was in a economic mess of the early 30's. to justify the Germans feeling of inadequacy because of the great depression ,Hitler gave them Unions, Jews and Gypsy's to blame their problems on, he gave them to his people to justify by hate . Right after Bush all but destroyed this country and it's economy. to get the vote and because of the all but total economic collapse your hate group put us in. To justify hate party member feeling of inadequacy because of their perceived failure The right gave us Unions Mexicans and Muslim to blame all their problems on.So it goes back that far , but then we will move onto President scum bags and who is his major influence in his life, He quotes this man and he had this mans book that he read all the time for years in his bed stand, Yup Adolf Hitlers Book of speeches called "My new order". Hitler said the media was false , Our Hitler did the same.First step to create a dictatorship , Attack the media. OUr Hitler being comfortable only around dictatorships and their dictators. Hitler himself was also. ""The Weimar establishment didn’t know what to do, so they pretended this was normal. They 'normalised' him.”"this comment is About Hitler" how to make a pile of **** look like a flower. The right want us to believe that this lying hate mongering lying pile of **** is different then the actions of Hitler. "“Hitler’s method was to lie until he got what he wanted, by which point it was too late,""Calling Hitler a "mountebank" - a con man, he compared his behaviour to how "Trump appealed to his nitwit thug racist, anti-Semite followers",When white nationalists gathered in Charlottesville last August and clashed with counterprotesters, President Trump said there was “blame on both sides.” "Attorney General Jeff Sessions went on Fox News on Monday night to defend the Trump administration’s immigration policy, which has led to family separations at the border. He ended up botching Holocaust history, accidentally making the case that the Trump approach to immigration is similar to the way Nazis treated Jews.""Border Patrol officers have apparently been telling parents that they’re just taking their kids away to bathe, only for the parents to realize hours later the kids are never coming back. This is the exact same thing concentration camp guards told people before being taken to gas chambers to stop them from panicking, which has led to a lot of Nazi comparisons in the press." I can go on forever. now to you, your supporting this **** , you are as guilty as scum bag himself is. You own this pig and he owns you, your guilty of his actions and what he says by supporting both.

 

[Maccabee]

Sure absolutely no problem, when Nazi Germany was in a economic mess of the early 30's. to justify the Germans feeling of inadequacy because of the great depression ,Hitler gave them Unions, Jews and Gypsy's to blame their problems on, he gave them to his people to justify by hate . Right after Bush all but destroyed this country and it's economy. to get the vote and because of the all but total economic collapse your hate group put us in. To justify hate party member feeling of inadequacy because of their perceived failure The right gave us Unions Mexicans and Muslim to blame all their problems on.So it goes back that far , but then we will move onto President scum bags and who is his major influence in his life, He quotes this man and he had this mans book that he read all the time for years in his bed stand, Yup Adolf Hitlers Book of speeches called "My new order". Hitler said the media was false , Our Hitler did the same.First step to create a dictatorship , Attack the media. OUr Hitler being comfortable only around dictatorships and their dictators. Hitler himself was also. ""The Weimar establishment didn’t know what to do, so they pretended this was normal. They 'normalised' him.”"this comment is About Hitler" how to make a pile of **** look like a flower. The right want us to believe that this lying hate mongering lying pile of **** is different then the actions of Hitler. "“Hitler’s method was to lie until he got what he wanted, by which point it was too late,""Calling Hitler a "mountebank" - a con man, he compared his behaviour to how "Trump appealed to his nitwit thug racist, anti-Semite followers",When white nationalists gathered in Charlottesville last August and clashed with counterprotesters, President Trump said there was “blame on both sides.” "Attorney General Jeff Sessions went on Fox News on Monday night to defend the Trump administration’s immigration policy, which has led to family separations at the border. He ended up botching Holocaust history, accidentally making the case that the Trump approach to immigration is similar to the way Nazis treated Jews.""Border Patrol officers have apparently been telling parents that they’re just taking their kids away to bathe, only for the parents to realize hours later the kids are never coming back. This is the exact same thing concentration camp guards told people before being taken to gas chambers to stop them from panicking, which has led to a lot of Nazi comparisons in the press." I can go on forever. now to you, your supporting this **** , you are as guilty as scum bag himself is. You own this pig and he owns you, your guilty of his actions and what he says by supporting both.

OK, first off, next time, break up your post into paragraphs. I can hardly read it. Second, I asked what policies have been implemented that were nazi like in the past 2 years. Last I checked, Bush wasn't president 2 years ago. Now to address your claims.

Claim 1: The right gave us Unions Mexicans and Muslims to blame for the economy.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. You need to be more specific. How were they being blamed? What examples can you give that they were being blamed at all?

Most of the rest of your post was what the the president did or said personally. For one, he doesn't represent all right leaning people and for another, that's not what I asked for. I asked for policies endorsed or implemented by the right that was nazi like. As in, laws that were implemented. As far as the "blame on both sides" comment, he's right. Instigating fights is no way of solving anything. It only makes the opposing side feel even more right by making them feel persecuted. People on both sides were starting fights and riots. Are you actually going sit here and say ANTIFA never started a fight?

 

[concernedpuma]

OK, first off, next time, break up your post into paragraphs. I can hardly read it. Second, I asked what policies have been implemented that were nazi like in the past 2 years. Last I checked, Bush wasn't president 2 years ago. Now to address your claims.

Claim 1: The right gave us Unions Mexicans and Muslims to blame for the economy.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. You need to be more specific. How were they being blamed? What examples can you give that they were being blamed at all?

Most of the rest of your post was what the the president did or said personally. For one, he doesn't represent all right leaning people and for another, that's not what I asked for. I asked for policies endorsed or implemented by the right that was nazi like. As in, laws that were implemented. As far as the "blame on both sides" comment, he's right. Instigating fights is no way of solving anything. It only makes the opposing side feel even more right by making them feel persecuted. People on both sides were starting fights and riots. Are you actually going sit here and say ANTIFA never started a fight?

Mac, Not steering, but hopefully informing: I believe you will soon understand, that with Jb, you are shooting at a clay target. Please save your very reasonable discussion for those who will discuss. Not those who are already kiln dried and therefore, unfortunately, fixed in the so-called ideas, to which they were cast.
Regards,
CP

 

[Maccabee]

Mac, Not steering, but hopefully informing: I believe you will soon understand, that with Jb, you are shooting at a clay target. Please save your very reasonable discussion for those who will discuss. Not those who are already kiln dried and therefore, unfortunately, fixed in the so-called ideas, to which they were cast.
Regards,
CP

I know what I'm dealing with. He used to be on another forum I'm on. This is mainly for my entertainment and the lurkers that may stumble upon this discussion.

 

[concernedpuma]

I know what I'm dealing with. He used to be on another forum I'm on. This is mainly for my entertainment and the lurkers that may stumble upon this discussion.

Oh, Okay. I didn't know that.... Good luck. I surely admire your patience and positive resolve to straighten him/her out.
Regards,
CP

 

[jbander]

OK, first off, next time, break up your post into paragraphs. I can hardly read it. Second, I asked what policies have been implemented that were nazi like in the past 2 years. Last I checked, Bush wasn't president 2 years ago. Now to address your claims.

Claim 1: The right gave us Unions Mexicans and Muslims to blame for the economy.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. You need to be more specific. How were they being blamed? What examples can you give that they were being blamed at all?

Most of the rest of your post was what the the president did or said personally. For one, he doesn't represent all right leaning people and for another, that's not what I asked for. I asked for policies endorsed or implemented by the right that was nazi like. As in, laws that were implemented. As far as the "blame on both sides" comment, he's right. Instigating fights is no way of solving anything. It only makes the opposing side feel even more right by making them feel persecuted. People on both sides were starting fights and riots. Are you actually going sit here and say ANTIFA never started a fight?

What dictators do and what Hitler did and what the hate party is doing now is Create hatred of groups with lies and propaganda. That the people can blame to justify things that they see as being wrong in this country, In Nazi German it was Unions Jews and Gysy's to build hatred of. In this country You hater are creating reasons to hate Unions , Muslims and Mexicans.With lies . No different then your hate group blaming everything on Obama and the Clinton's , all lies just propaganda , but its done to consolidate groups that are driven by hatred, that would be people like you,

 

[jbander]

You people are a hoot , The best you got is , I don't like you and you think I'm dumb, and I come back with endless facts as in the comment below and you will come back with I don't like you and you think I'm dumb and you say I'm the waste of time.

 

[concernedpuma]

You people are a hoot , The best you got is , I don't like you and you think I'm dumb, and I come back with endless facts as in the comment below and you will come back with I don't like you and you think I'm dumb and you say I'm the waste of time.

My last but somewhat important reply to you: I don't dislike you. We are just too far apart with our ideas of cordial discussion. I'm glad for you, that you think you write facts. Those facts are in the world you have chosen to live and I have no further opinion about that. I wish you only good health and happiness.
Regards,
CP

 

[jbander]

My last but somewhat important reply to you: I don't dislike you. We are just too far apart with our ideas of cordial discussion. I'm glad for you, that you think you write facts. Those facts are in the world you have chosen to live and I have no further opinion about that. I wish you only good health and happiness.
Regards,
CP

Why would I treat a person who elected this countries biggest threat and in my opinion , this countries biggest enemy. I hate every enemy of my country because I'm a patriot.. You are the enemy, Get it .

 

[Maccabee]

What dictators do and what Hitler did and what the hate party is doing now is Create hatred of groups with lies and propaganda. That the people can blame to justify things that they see as being wrong in this country, In Nazi German it was Unions Jews and Gysy's to build hatred of. In this country You hater are creating reasons to hate Unions , Muslims and Mexicans.With lies . No different then your hate group blaming everything on Obama and the Clinton's , all lies just propaganda , but its done to consolidate groups that are driven by hatred, that would be people like you,

So you don't have any specific policies that are nazi like. Got it. Just clear up something, hardly anyone hates Mexican or Muslims. The vast majority of us want to stop illegal aliens and the vast majority of us wants to stop Islamic terrorism which is the leading cause for terrorism worldwide. As far as unions go, that's an economic issue that needs to be discussed thoroughly for any resolution to take place. Personally, unions aren't the top issue for me.

 

[Maccabee]

Why would I treat a person who elected this countries biggest threat and in my opinion , this countries biggest enemy. I hate every enemy of my country because I'm a patriot.. You are the enemy, Get it .

Maybe because of a certain proverb saying to love your enemies? Life gets a whole lot easier when you stop hating those you call your enemies. I'm a devout Christian and I several friends who are athiests. Though we disagree strongly on some points, we still managed to be friendly to one another. Try it some time. It'll make living life a whole lot easier.

 

[concernedpuma]

Maybe because of a certain proverb saying to love your enemies? Life gets a whole lot easier when you stop hating those you call your enemies. I'm a devout Christian and I several friends who are athiests. Though we disagree strongly on some points, we still managed to be friendly to one another. Try it some time. It'll make living life a whole lot easier.

Your words, I am sure are appreciated by many. I repeat, my admiration for your patience. On the other hand, what a great accomplishment for you, if you can talk this one off the ledge. Good luck my friend. Truly wished!
Regards,
CP

 

[Maccabee]

Your words, I am sure are appreciated by many. I repeat, my admiration for your patience. On the other hand, what a great accomplishment for you, if you can talk this one off the ledge. Good luck my friend. Truly wished!
Regards,
CP

I don't think it did anything, though. I think he blocked me. On the bright side, I don't have to respond to his tirades.

 

[phattonez]

Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit regardless of one’s station in life.

Citation needed.

Productivity is the best and only effective measure of merit of American labor. However, since 1976, real wages have not risen in-step with rising productivity as it historically had before. So, capitalism stopped rewarding merit and instead redirected that money to please shareholders and reward management for the merit of successful growth and profit made on the backs of workers who did no longer got their fair share in the distribution of wealth. The recent tax plan is a perfect example of the artificial distribution of wealth to large corps and the rich whom did nothing to merit that “reward.” Hence, a merit-based reward for the typical worker is no longer afforded by the capitalistic system and missing that vital and inherent quality, capitalism no longer lives up to itself and is dead to the many who are no longer allowed to share in the wealth earned by merit.

BTW, are you a believer in MAGA? If so, how come you state the belief of being, still, “the greatest, most powerful, richest country in the world” to make your point?

And what has fundamentally changed to cause this wicked distribution of wealth? I point to two causes: free trade and mass immigration.

It's always fun (but sad) showing how the share of income going to capital has decreased as our trade deficit has increased.

 

[bluesmoke]

The idea that productivity is the result of (more skilled/valuable?) labor is false in many (most?) cases. When an employer installs a computerized cash register and barcode scanner then the resulting increase in productivity does not make the cashier's labor worth more. It actually can have the opposite effect - a less skilled person, or even the customer, can then do that job. That computerized system can also keep a realtime inventory reducing the need for labor to determine what remains in stock or requires re-ordering.

You have nothing to back up what you say. I do.

As has been made obvious going back to the days and years of reading the newspaper, employers have been demanding greater educational attainment. Rapid advances in technology and complicated process requires learning and relearning on a continuous basis that only a higher education can tell an employer is the best indication of a prospective employee’s ability to perform the job at hand. In fact, some technology is not being rolled-out because of overload on employees having to continuously relearn even more complicated, new process.

As respects skilled vs. unskilled:

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/skilled-labor-vs-unskilled-labor-46154.html

BTW, what would you use as a measure of labor merit?

 

[ttwtt78640]

You have nothing to back up what you say. I do.

As has been made obvious going back to the days and years of reading the newspaper, employers have been demanding greater educational attainment. Rapid advances in technology and complicated process requires learning and relearning on a continuous basis that only a higher education can tell an employer is the best indication of a prospective employee’s ability to perform the job at hand. In fact, some technology is not being rolled-out because of overload on employees having to continuously relearn even more complicated, new process.

As respects skilled vs. unskilled:

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/skilled-labor-vs-unskilled-labor-46154.html

BTW, what would you use as a measure of labor merit?

The same thing that is now used - replacement cost. An employer is apt to offer little more than is required to attract and retain qualified labor.

 

[phattonez]

The same thing that is now used - replacement cost. An employer is apt to offer little more than is required to attract and retain qualified labor.

And liberals know that. They know that immigration and free trade greatly reduce replacement cost for labor, which is a big reason why wages are so much lower today than they were 50 years ago.

I don't know how anyone can look at this and be satisfied with the status quo.

 

[ttwtt78640]

And liberals know that. They know that immigration and free trade greatly reduce replacement cost for labor, which is a big reason why wages are so much lower today than they were 50 years ago.

I don't know how anyone can look at this and be satisfied with the status quo.

Yep, but the fewer folks that you have actually paying federal income tax then the less resistance there is to rasing the tax rates to offer more "free" stuff. The various "safety net" programs do that as well - if one's meager paycheck gets supplemented with "safety net" benefits then who really cares what portion of one's living expenses are covered by that meager paycheck and what is added or made unnecessary by "safety net" program benefits?

Of course, they say that this "reduces income inequality" but all it really does is make you more dependent on an ever growing government. When you can pay your own bills (and then some) then you have freedom of choice to buy what you wish, when you must rely on government assistance then you can have only whatever they say that you should have.

 

[phattonez]

Yep, but the fewer folks that you have actually paying federal income tax then the less resistance there is to rasing the tax rates to offer more "free" stuff. The various "safety net" programs do that as well - if one's meager paycheck gets supplemented with "safety net" benefits then who really cares what portion of one's living expenses are covered by that meager paycheck and what is added or made unnecessary by "safety net" program benefits?

Of course, they say that this "reduces income inequality" but all it really does is make you more dependent on an ever growing government. When you can pay your own bills (and then some) then you have freedom of choice to buy what you wish, when you must rely on government assistance then you can have only whatever they say that you should have.

I agree that dependence on government while not working (while able) is a huge moral failing and no good society ought to tolerate it. I have no issues with those who refuse to work being poor and destitute.

However, I think that there's a huge problem when we have huge numbers of young, working families who have both parents working full time, yet can't afford a house, are mired in student loan debt, and aren't able to save money while we have a small group of people with an obscene amount of wealth. I'm not going to be so devoted to free market principles that I can ignore this obvious injustice. I'm not calling for everyone to be equal. All that I want is for working families to have decent living conditions and not to be dependent on debt. I don't see why this is so radical.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I agree that dependence on government while not working (while able) is a huge moral failing and no good society ought to tolerate it. I have no issues with those who refuse to work being poor and destitute.

However, I think that there's a huge problem when we have huge numbers of young, working families who have both parents working full time, yet can't afford a house, are mired in student loan debt, and aren't able to save money while we have a small group of people with an obscene amount of wealth. I'm not going to be so devoted to free market principles that I can ignore this obvious injustice. I'm not calling for everyone to be equal. All that I want is for working families to have decent living conditions and not to be dependent on debt. I don't see why this is so radical.

I see no plan presented to achieve your goal - thus I can't decide whether it is "radical" or not.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Then you better look a little closer , because two years into the Nazi party organization compared to two years into the hate party organization and buddy you and your party are by far the winner of the hate competition. AS long as you follow the same program and plans of the Nazi party I will compare you and your hate group to it. If you don't like it go away.

Wow, that's quite a lot of hate spewing. What specific Nazi-like policies, implemented in the last two years, are you ranting about?

 

[phattonez]

I see no plan presented to achieve your goal - thus I can't decide whether it is "radical" or not.

1. Forgive student loan debt.
2. A new homestead act.
3. Large tax increases on unearned wealth and tax cuts for wages.
4. Government subsidized loans to young families 0 interest and principal forgiveness upon the birth of each additional child.
5. Closed borders until the working age male activity rate is at least 95%.
6. Enactment of tariffs to correct the trade deficit.
7. Enactment of large public works spending instead of indiscriminate welfare to able-bodied men.

This is not comprehensive, but this would be a great start.