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Did the “send her back” chant go too far?

Did the “send her back” chant go too far?


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You choose to see skin color when it was never referenced by Trump (bias, yours). The common theme with all of the women in question is that they have all spoken poorly of this country. One defends known terrorist organizations, one refers to court mandated holding facilities as concentration camps, one is such a bigot herself that she insists that all black and brown people must think like her. These statements are of far greater concern than Trump saying these women can leave if they don't like it here. Especially from federal policy makers.

That's just a form of gaslighting.

We can find no shortage of white critics of Trump - tens of millions of them, some of them in Congress, and who obviously and openly hold him in contempt, many say it on TV, often. What we cannot find, anywhere, is Trump suggesting that anyone WHITE go back to their ****hole country, or overwhelmingly white crowds chanting "send [white person] back!!!!" in a rally.

Can you explain that if skin color/ethnicity is not relevant? I can't. When you cannot explain it, then maybe ethnicity/skin color DOES play a role, like it does in all those videos we can see and that have been linked on here many, many times.
 
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Arrange that and I’ll tell Donald to go **** himself personally. It’s nice to see you post with some levity, Tres. :)

Hell, I love levity. I can be very loose.:mrgreen:

Oh ****, I don't think I meant it that way.
 
There is absolutely nothing patriotic about telling a US citizen to "go back" to where she was born.

If that is the right's new idea of "patriotism", to say something so vile to a fellow citizen, it's pathetic.

I believe that the essence of the statement is patriotism. However, if you do not verbalize it correctly you get results similar to this thread: all sorts of people calling you racist. You have chosen the version of the phrase that I am opposed to, so I hope that you are not trying to chide me.
 
Can you explain that if skin color/ethnicity is not relevant? I can't.

Just because you can't, doesn't make your point of view correct.


I have already made my attempt, if you don't buy it then I will refund your deposit...
 
Just because you can't, doesn't make your point of view correct.

I have already made my attempt, if you don't buy it then I will refund your deposit...

OK, just so we're clear, your position is:

1) It's not about race or skin color or ethnicity.
2) It's (nearly) always directed at non-whites/ethnic minorities

Q.E.D.

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1) It's not about race or skin color or ethnicity.

I do not believe that it is. Race was only mentioned by those who oppose Trump after the statement was made. Just because you can find a common theme in a subject does not make that one common thread the reason the statement was made.


Example - a sedan is an automobile. My sedan is white. Therefore all automobiles are white. This is illogical.


2) It's (nearly) always directed at non-whites/ethnic minorities


No its not. As an example - many public figures were going to voluntarily leave the country for Canada if Trump won. They were willing to "leave because they didn't like it here". How is the essense of this sentiment racist?


Note that I am conceding that the verbiage is important. "send her back" is bad. "leave if you don't like it here" is fine in my book.
 
Trump should have done what the now-oh-so-hated John McCain did when one of his events got out of hand, and put a stop to ignorance when it happens. He stood back and basked in the glory. He encourages that crap. He wanted that to happen. A decent man would stand up there like all good leaders do, and talk about how great the country is and his accomplishments and inspire people. Not Trump. He relishes this nonsense. I don't care what kind of fake walk back they are trying to do today. It was wrong, it was disgusting, and it make the Republicans look absolutely dreadful and hopeless. It's textbook Trump.

Or what AOC did yesterday when an audience member called a republican "a moron". She shouted at them and told them it was unacceptable. This is what an honorable person does. What messed up children the modern GOP party has become.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stops person who insulted Republican on MSNBC
 
And how did that work out for John McCain?

LOL - so you think that's what lost McCain the election? It had nothing to do with him nominating Palin as his running mate? It had nothing to do with Obama's popularity? C'mon man.
 
I do not believe that it is. Race was only mentioned by those who oppose Trump after the statement was made. Just because you can find a common theme in a subject does not make that one common thread the reason the statement was made.

I'm not sure who you think you're fooling here. When the virtually universal theme actually, is white people telling ethnic minorities to "GO BACK!!" then it's reasonable to assume that the ethnicity of the target is relevant, critical in fact.

Example - a sedan is an automobile. My sedan is white. Therefore all automobiles are white. This is illogical.

Bad analogy. We're not talking one case and then extrapolating that one case to the whole, we're taking almost every single known case, and extrapolating it to the whole.

No its not. As an example - many public figures were going to voluntarily leave the country for Canada if Trump won. They were willing to "leave because they didn't like it here". How is the essense of this sentiment racist?

1) If I don't like this house/neighborhood/town/state/country, I will voluntarily choose to leave and live somewhere else.
2) White person to person speaking Spanish in a diner: GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!! GO BACK TO MEXICO!!!
3) White crowd to black Muslim member of Congress: SEND HER BACK TO HER ****HOLE COUNTRY!!

Statement 1) is a completely different sentiment than 2) and 3), night and day. In statement 1) the agent here is entirely the individual, there is no force, no push, no demand, it's a voluntary choice. In 2) and 3) the accuser is demanding that the target leave, by force in example 3). You simply cannot compare them.

Note that I am conceding that the verbiage is important. "send her back" is bad. "leave if you don't like it here" is fine in my book.

I don't really agree even with the second part. We're under no obligation as citizens to accept that our country is on the wrong track, and if we don't like it, don't stay and try to change it, but leave. Forgetting that it's impossible for most of us to 'leave' and find a home, job, work, in another country, what that sentiment suggests is we have no legitimate right to complain, criticize our country, or change anything, and that the PROPER course of action is respect the status quo, demand nothing, just run away.

That's actually unAmerican. Any positive development in this country for the past 200 years, the civil rights advancements in recent decades for example, are the result of people doing the exact opposite of "if you don't like it leave" and instead did, "if you don't like it, go through great personal struggles, hard work, sometimes risks to life and limb, to change things for the better."

I can only speak for me, but I admire the latter sentiment FAR more than the former, and the latter is IMO more American in every good sense of that word. We shouldn't accept injustice, and run away, but work to end it. How can you disagree with that?
 
For they love of God, please promise me you won't write that in the stall of the men's room in AT&T Stadium. I'm already fending off calls from Pats fans.

Please, writing anything anywhere at AT&T stadium would be like defacing a sacred monument.
 
Or what AOC did yesterday when an audience member called a republican "a moron". She shouted at them and told them it was unacceptable. This is what an honorable person does. What messed up children the modern GOP party has become.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stops person who insulted Republican on MSNBC

And here’s why;

"Hey! Hey! Hey! That's unacceptable," Ocasio-Cortez said as she pointed her finger at the audience member. Then, looking back at Inglis, she added: "And that's the difference between me and Trump."
 
And when did you all decide Russia was bad and not our friend? Please promise me that long after Trump is out of office you will remember how you feel about Russia now.

A strawman all you have? I don't consider Russia a friend or an enemy. Since the cold war ended, we have worked with them sometimes and they have worked against us others. That is all neither here nor there. It doesn't change the fact that you had no problem at all with Trump getting in front of the entire world and siding with Putin over our own intelligence agencies, including military intelligence. You had no problem with Trump getting up in front of the entire world on live TV and absolving Kim Jong Un for ordering the torture and murder of Americans. You had no problem with Trump getting up in front of the entire world and siding with the Saudis when they had brutally murdered a legal resident of this country. No other president has ever done anything like that. Go back through our country's history and show me where one other president ever publicly absolved an enemy dictator of the torture and murder of an American citizen. You can't because something despicable and anti-American never happened before Trump.

So don't lecture anyone else on here on patriotism. You are not patriotic, you are tribal and there is a huge difference between actually loving this country and tribalism.
 
And here’s why;

"Hey! Hey! Hey! That's unacceptable," Ocasio-Cortez said as she pointed her finger at the audience member. Then, looking back at Inglis, she added: "And that's the difference between me and Trump."

And you think that pointing out the difference is wrong? You'd better start admonishing every politician in the world, pal. Even those in the same party strive to differentiate themselves from their opponents. You'd better get started, now. See you in a million years :roll:
 
A strawman all you have? I don't consider Russia a friend or an enemy. Since the cold war ended, we have worked with them sometimes and they have worked against us others. That is all neither here nor there. It doesn't change the fact that you had no problem at all with Trump getting in front of the entire world and siding with Putin over our own intelligence agencies, including military intelligence. You had no problem with Trump getting up in front of the entire world on live TV and absolving Kim Jong Un for ordering the torture and murder of Americans. You had no problem with Trump getting up in front of the entire world and siding with the Saudis when they had brutally murdered a legal resident of this country. No other president has ever done anything like that. Go back through our country's history and show me where one other president ever publicly absolved an enemy dictator of the torture and murder of an American citizen. You can't because something despicable and anti-American never happened before Trump.

So don't lecture anyone else on here on patriotism. You are not patriotic, you are tribal and there is a huge difference between actually loving this country and tribalism.

I “lectured” no one.
 
I’m mainly interested in what my fellow righties have to say, but of course anyone can vote. I hadn’t heard or read about it until this morning. IMO, yeah, I think it went too far and I’m glad the President made it clear he didn’t agree with it. It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here, but chanting to “send her back,” presumably involuntarily, because we don’t like what she said? That’s not good and we shouldn’t defend it.

Attaching poll.

I'm gonna say that it went too far. Bad comment; bad chant.
 
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