Did the “send her back” chant go too far?

[Rogue Valley]

It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here.....

Because she wants answers on why children are packed together like animals in CBP facilities not designed as detention centers? That is un-American?

Because someone disagrees with the "Zero Tolerance" policies of Trump and Miller? I'm both amazed and saddened how quickly this has happened in America.

If some time traveler had told me 20 years ago what America would be like in 2019, I would never ever have believed it. But here we are.

Chanting about sending Americans "back to" ... somewhere. You do realize that this Congresswoman has been a US citizen longer than Melania Trump?

 

[DiAnna]

It was a great moment for which he will forever be revered.





That's a great man.

Yes, it is. And I admired him greatly.

 

[ecofarm]

Yes, it is. And I admired him greatly.

I don't mean to jump a shark but perhaps the best politician, as a person, I ever saw. I'd follow him anywhere.

 

[DiAnna]

It’s not that moment, or even his military service he’s being revered for now, it’s that he was anti Trump.

That is demonstrably false; once again, you are broad brushing a wide swath of the population with a position that you wish them to have, not that they DO have.

I have admired John McCain for decades, for his service to this country both in uniform and out. I voted for him in the 2000 Republican primary, and was bitterly disappointed he didn't win. He has conducted himself in an honorable manner for decades, long beyond when this stunned populace could even conceive the concept of a "President Trump". Please do not dismiss the lifetime accomplishments of a true national hero or stain him with the dishonest implication you have made.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I’m mainly interested in what my fellow righties have to say, but of course anyone can vote. I hadn’t heard or read about it until this morning. IMO, yeah, I think it went too far and I’m glad the President made it clear he didn’t agree with it. It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here, but chanting to “send her back,” presumably involuntarily, because we don’t like what she said? That’s not good and we shouldn’t defend it.

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She should be "sent back" to private sector employment, but that is up to the voters in her congressional district - not some yokels in a NC Trump "rally" crowd.

 

[DiAnna]

LOL - so you think that's what lost McCain the election? It had nothing to do with him nominating Palin as his running mate? It had nothing to do with Obama's popularity? C'mon man.

Too true. I had wanted McCain to be president... well, it seems like forever, lol... and in 2008, I thought we'd finally hit the jackpot. Then... disaster. I /facepalmed so hard I nearly knocked myself out, thinking, "WTF?? McCain gets to run against an empty suit with a charismatic smile, and he shoots himself in the foot by taking an air-headed, barely functional imbecile as a running mate??

Yeah. I was a sad puppy in Nov. 2008; and no, Obama did not get my vote that year.

 

[Oborosen]

I’m mainly interested in what my fellow righties have to say, but of course anyone can vote. I hadn’t heard or read about it until this morning. IMO, yeah, I think it went too far and I’m glad the President made it clear he didn’t agree with it. It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here, but chanting to “send her back,” presumably involuntarily, because we don’t like what she said? That’s not good and we shouldn’t defend it.

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No, it's just a chant and nothing more. If anyone would want to make such a ruling for this chant, then anything a politician has their base chanting, or is present for when they start chanting. Will be viable for such scrutiny as well.

 

[cpwill]

I’m mainly interested in what my fellow righties have to say, but of course anyone can vote. I hadn’t heard or read about it until this morning. IMO, yeah, I think it went too far and I’m glad the President made it clear he didn’t agree with it. It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here, but chanting to “send her back,” presumably involuntarily, because we don’t like what she said? That’s not good and we shouldn’t defend it.

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Absolutely. You don't deport American citizens because you dislike their views. We have a damn Constitution for a reason.

 

[Oborosen]

Of course it went to far and of course it will become a standard part of future Trump rallies.

Oh wait! I forgot! Trump has pretended to disavow it.

Nice to know all is right in the universe.

Great, so the next time you disavow any sort of crime, or unfavorable act at all.

We can just claim that you're pretending to disavow it and our claim will have as much weight. Good to see that we can still play by your rules.

 

[cpwill]

Trump spends a few minutes railing against her.. being a demagogue and then acts surprised when his followers respond.. priceless.

To be fair, Demagogues are often surprised when the crowds they whip up take actions contrary to the Demagogue's interests.




That, of course, is one of many reasons why bad-faith arguments which argue that those who disagree with you are not only bad, but evil are dangerous to our social and political fabric, and in the long run, such vicious movements tend to eat their own... but in the short term, the applause and power appear to be too great a temptation for our political class

 

[X Factor]

That is demonstrably false; once again, you are broad brushing a wide swath of the population with a position that you wish them to have, not that they DO have.

I have admired John McCain for decades, for his service to this country both in uniform and out. I voted for him in the 2000 Republican primary, and was bitterly disappointed he didn't win. He has conducted himself in an honorable manner for decades, long beyond when this stunned populace could even conceive the concept of a "President Trump". Please do not dismiss the lifetime accomplishments of a true national hero or stain him with the dishonest implication you have made.

I liked this initially because I agree that you have been consistent about McCain as long I’ve been here, I had to take it back because how would it look to have a like from me for a post where you call me dishonest?

 

[trixare4kids]

Too true. I had wanted McCain to be president... well, it seems like forever, lol... and in 2008, I thought we'd finally hit the jackpot. Then... disaster. I /facepalmed so hard I nearly knocked myself out, thinking, "WTF?? McCain gets to run against an empty suit with a charismatic smile, and he shoots himself in the foot by taking an air-headed, barely functional imbecile as a running mate??

Yeah. I was a sad puppy in Nov. 2008; and no, Obama did not get my vote that year.

I think many conservatives/centrists/Independents, libertarians fell into the sad puppy group in 2008 but not because we were behind McCain or Obama.

I voted out of protest for Ron Paul because I was so disgusted with McCain's veep choice and there was no way in hell I was going to vote for the jr. senator, fast talking community worker.

 

[cpwill]

Too true. I had wanted McCain to be president... well, it seems like forever, lol... and in 2008, I thought we'd finally hit the jackpot. Then... disaster. I /facepalmed so hard I nearly knocked myself out, thinking, "WTF?? McCain gets to run against an empty suit with a charismatic smile, and he shoots himself in the foot by taking an air-headed, barely functional imbecile as a running mate??

Yeah. I was a sad puppy in Nov. 2008; and no, Obama did not get my vote that year.

McCain got taken out by the economy tanking, combined with general Bush and Iraq-war weariness, actual excitement about electing the first black president, and the fact that he was able to massively outspend McCain.

Of the 60 polls prior to the GOP convention and the Palin pick, McCain was down in 53, and tied in a couple of others. After the Convention, Palin's net-positives were even higher than Obama's, and McCain actually started to pull to even, though teasing out how much of that was a post-convention bounce would be difficult.

Then, the economy really tanked, and it was immediately back down again. McCain won only one of a dozen polls (and by 1 point) prior to his decision to "suspend his campaign" to work on the crash, and then lost I think something like 100 straight after that.

Palin - and, I have long since parted ways with her, though I continue to think she and her family were viciously ill-treated - did not cost McCain the election. He never had it. If anything, Palin was a (very) modest positive influence on his turnout:

CNN's 2008 national exit poll asked voters whether Palin was a factor when they stepped into the voting booth. Those who said yes broke for McCain 56 percent to 43 percent.

:shrug:

 

[X Factor]

No, it's just a chant and nothing more. If anyone would want to make such a ruling for this chant, then anything a politician has their base chanting, or is present for when they start chanting. Will be viable for such scrutiny as well.

Is this just a chant and nothing more?

 

[Frigidweirdo]

I’m mainly interested in what my fellow righties have to say, but of course anyone can vote. I hadn’t heard or read about it until this morning. IMO, yeah, I think it went too far and I’m glad the President made it clear he didn’t agree with it. It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here, but chanting to “send her back,” presumably involuntarily, because we don’t like what she said? That’s not good and we shouldn’t defend it.

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Problem here is that Trump did what he always did

He gave the far right their blessing by doing nothing and having a smug face while they chanted it. Then said some weak "nothing to do with me" afterwards that kind of tries to claim he isn't responsible, when his tweet was the one that got them going.

I wonder what his non-American born wife things about a man who panders to people who want to kick out non-American born people from the US.

 

[Oborosen]

Is this just a chant and nothing more?

Yes, it's just a chant and only when someone actually acts on it, like what some supporters of BLM did do. Should the issue of that individual be addressed.

Then again, I don't see anyone grabbing her at a stop light and deporting her against her will. As this was still just the group chanting, and it had the same validity as the "lock her up" chants did.

 

[DiAnna]

I think many conservatives/centrists/Independents, libertarians fell into the sad puppy group in 2008 but not because we were behind McCain or Obama.

I voted out of protest for Ron Paul because I was so disgusted with McCain's veep choice and there was no way in hell I was going to vote for the jr. senator, fast talking community worker.

I hear you. I voted for a write-in, because of Palin and because I didn't feel Obama was qualified at the time.

 

[slick]

Many of the people that hold McCain out as this hero now do so because he went after Trump. Had he been a Trump supporter, McCain’s “service” wouldn’t mean squat now.

In typical mccain fashion McCain pointed his right index finger in a downward motion to register a no vote - that ruined his party’s seven-year effort to repeal
Obamacare. John McCain never failed to disappoint those who put him in office. Laughing it up with Chuck Schumer after he ruined the Obamacare repeal

McCain Told Schumer: “Lets see Donald make america great again now”

John violated an old fashion rule: you should leave the dance with the one that brung you. McCain's last-minute Liberal heroics on Healthcare,
ignored the wishes of his constituents. If McCain did in fact intend to get a last dig in at Trump, it was a failed, petty gesture.

 

[lurchadams]

Too true. I had wanted McCain to be president... well, it seems like forever, lol... and in 2008, I thought we'd finally hit the jackpot. Then... disaster. I /facepalmed so hard I nearly knocked myself out, thinking, "WTF?? McCain gets to run against an empty suit with a charismatic smile, and he shoots himself in the foot by taking an air-headed, barely functional imbecile as a running mate??

Yeah. I was a sad puppy in Nov. 2008; and no, Obama did not get my vote that year.

Well, at least she redeemed herself after she lost McCain the election. I'm kidding, of course - she did the exact opposite of what McCain advised her to do - she became a right-wing flame-thrower and brought even more shame on herself and her family.

 

[Utility Man]

 

[haymarket]

Great, so the next time you disavow any sort of crime, or unfavorable act at all.

We can just claim that you're pretending to disavow it and our claim will have as much weight. Good to see that we can still play by your rules.

Trump already walked back his disavowal. This is getting funny.

 

[Oborosen]

Trump already walked back his disavowal. This is getting funny.

Don't really care what is going on, because I'm going to have to actually look at it first hand to get a legitimate take on the subject. Without it being painted by several shades of bias and lies at this point.

 

[haymarket]

Don't really care what is going on, because I'm going to have to actually look at it first hand to get a legitimate take on the subject. Without it being painted by several shades of bias and lies at this point.

The very words and actions of Trump are all you need. And they show a racist man playing the demagogue to a racist crowd.

 

[marke]

I’m mainly interested in what my fellow righties have to say, but of course anyone can vote. I hadn’t heard or read about it until this morning. IMO, yeah, I think it went too far and I’m glad the President made it clear he didn’t agree with it. It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here, but chanting to “send her back,” presumably involuntarily, because we don’t like what she said? That’s not good and we shouldn’t defend it.

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Trump may have been referring to the Somali immigrant in particular, but that is not clear. Nevertheless, any American who commits treason against the US and who is not executed should be driven out of the country for life.

 

[Oborosen]

The very words and actions of Trump are all you need. And they show a racist man playing the demagogue to a racist crowd.

You do realize that using those same rules, anyone can basically claim, anybody that they don't agree with to be racist, correct?

I mean, I've asked for clarification on what makes his statements racist before and I've gotten much of the same back peddling and admittance to lack of evidence, every single time. So you just claiming that any of this is racist, is really a claim that holds exactly 0 water at this point. Along with any others that choose to do the same, with the same lack of evidence.