Deniers are about to lose the Argument

[AlphaOmega]

Once the stuff hits the fan, they will whine....well why didn't you convince us earlier....:roll:

Been hearing this blather since 1970. The tide marks are still identical now as they were then. Please tell us when the ocean is rising. I need to know when to stock up on fresh ammo.

 

[AlphaOmega]

...as if they ever had one.

Extraordinary thinning’ of ice sheets revealed deep inside Antarctica

You got us we lost. Now what? Plague, asteroids, famine, panic...Malibu is getting submerged when exactly? Do the leftists there know about this? Seems their gigantic homes use a lot of AC there.

 

[Northern Light]

No what will ultimately matter to the public in convincing them about this BS is whether you can fill up an electric car as quickly and cheaply as you can a real car today .... and we are a very long way from that being the case

Where are you getting your information from?

Battery efficiency is about to reach 500km per recharge in the next 5 years. It would be a simple matter to recharge at one's home or at anybody else's home who has a charger. Rapid charging stations are already rolling out in pilot test areas.

The demand will be big and the only limitation will be affordability. Infrastructure is going to happen fast since people are not willing to pay obscene prices to fuel their cars anymore.

 

[longview]

Where are you getting your information from?

Battery efficiency is about to reach 500km per recharge in the next 5 years. It would be a simple matter to recharge at one's home or at anybody else's home who has a charger. Rapid charging stations are already rolling out in pilot test areas.

The demand will be big and the only limitation will be affordability. Infrastructure is going to happen fast since people are not willing to pay obscene prices to fuel their cars anymore.

Most fuel vehicles can fill up in about 5 minuets.
A Tesla super charger takes 20 minuets for a 50% charge and up to 75 minuets for a 100% charge.
Planning a trip, you had better plan for meal breaks around charging stations.

 

[Northern Light]

Most fuel vehicles can fill up in about 5 minuets.
A Tesla super charger takes 20 minuets for a 50% charge and up to 75 minuets for a 100% charge.
Planning a trip, you had better plan for meal breaks around charging stations.

That's Tesla. Different battery technology. Did you read the part about battery efficiency in 5 years?

Another feature is that the batteries will not wear even after hundreds of charge cycles. They will still have 95% efficiency after many years of use.

The naysayers will keep talking crap about electric cars, but it's going to happen, and soon. Gas prices alone will shift the market.

 

[flogger]

Utter bollocks, of course. What do you think that inventing figures is going to achieve, other than making you look a complete idiot?

Prove they are invented and as a consequence I am a complete idiot ?

Read the link

 

[flogger]

I believe you owe an apology.

[h=3]Cargo ships are emitting boatloads of carbon, and nobody wants to ...[/h]
[url]https://phys.org › Earth › Environment
[/URL]

Dec 18, 2018 - But hauling goods around by sea requires roughly 300 million tons of very dirty fuel, producing nearly 3 percent of the world's carbon dioxide emissions, giving the international maritime shipping industry roughly the same carbon footprint as Germany.





[h=3]Cargo ships are the world's worst polluters, so how can they be made ...[/h]
[url]https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/cargo-container-shipping-carbon-pollution/
[/URL]

Jan 4, 2018 - Shipping produces more carbon emissions than most countries and pollutes the oceans. Will slowing vessels or making them electric do ...

Thank you for that affirmation Jack :applaud

 

[flogger]

I believe you need to learn to read.

Where in the references you cited does it say that shipping emissions dwarf by a factor of around 30 all the emissions of all the cars on earth?

Well its actually more like a factor of 300. Sorry my bad with the math there

 

[flogger]

Tsk tsk. Your source is US emissions only. The US is a microscopic player in cargo vessel ownership. Try to find some global data if you wish to continue to play.

Indeed. And where do most cargoes of almost anything manufactured these days emanate from ?

Nuff said

 

[Threegoofs]

I believe you owe an apology.

[h=3]Cargo ships are emitting boatloads of carbon, and nobody wants to ...[/h]
[url]https://phys.org › Earth › Environment
[/URL]

Dec 18, 2018 - But hauling goods around by sea requires roughly 300 million tons of very dirty fuel, producing nearly 3 percent of the world's carbon dioxide emissions, giving the international maritime shipping industry roughly the same carbon footprint as Germany.





[h=3]Cargo ships are the world's worst polluters, so how can they be made ...[/h]
[url]https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/cargo-container-shipping-carbon-pollution/
[/URL]

Jan 4, 2018 - Shipping produces more carbon emissions than most countries and pollutes the oceans. Will slowing vessels or making them electric do ...

LOL.

The idiot who wrote your link apparently doesn’t know the difference between sulfur and other pollutants and CO2 emissions.

That’s pretty par for the course, since you’re clearly science-challenges yourself.

 

[Jack Hays]

LOL.

The idiot who wrote your link apparently doesn’t know the difference between sulfur and other pollutants and CO2 emissions.

That’s pretty par for the course, since you’re clearly science-challenges yourself.

You have insults. I have data.

 

[Threegoofs]

You have insults. I have data.

Actually , this was regarding floggers link.

Your link is good, but it does not say that CO2 emissions from cargo ships are greater than cars.

Because.. that’s absolutely absurd.

 

[Jack Hays]

Actually , this was regarding floggers link.

Your link is good, but it does not say that CO2 emissions from cargo ships are greater than cars.

Because.. that’s absolutely absurd.

Actually, it says pollution from cargo ships exceeds pollution from cars.

 

[Threegoofs]

Actually, it says pollution from cargo ships exceeds pollution from cars.

That wasn’t floggers claim.

 

[Surface Detail]

Tsk tsk. Your source is US emissions only. The US is a microscopic player in cargo vessel ownership. Try to find some global data if you wish to continue to play.

Do you really think that lying and hoping that no-one catches you out is a convincing form of argument?

"Road transport accounts for 17% of global greenhouse gas emissions, which is a major factor contributing to climate change."

Global Car Industry Must Shift to Low Carbon to Survive - CDP | UNFCCC

"According to estimates presented in this study, international shipping emitted 796 million tonnes of CO2 in 2012, that is, about 2.2% of the total global CO2 emissions for that year."

GHG Emissions

So it is totally incorrect to claim that shipping produces more greenhouse gas emissions than road transport, let alone 30 times more :lamo In fact road transport produces about 7 to 8 times the greenhouse gas emissions of shipping.

 

[flogger]

LOL.

The idiot who wrote your link apparently doesn’t know the difference between sulfur and other pollutants and CO2 emissions.

That’s pretty par for the course, since you’re clearly science-challenges yourself.

You emit CO2 24/7 does that mean we should legislate against your existence too ? :lamo

 

[flogger]

That wasn’t floggers claim.

What claim ? I said nothing about CO2 from ships. Are you trying to claim that CO2 (a benign beneficial naturally occurring gas) is actually more harmful to the biosphere than the heavy particulate pollution from cargo ships ?

Man you really got it bad. Get smarter

 

[longview]

That's Tesla. Different battery technology. Did you read the part about battery efficiency in 5 years?

Another feature is that the batteries will not wear even after hundreds of charge cycles. They will still have 95% efficiency after many years of use.

The naysayers will keep talking crap about electric cars, but it's going to happen, and soon. Gas prices alone will shift the market.

You need to broaden your thinking, how about if every car on the road today were powered by alternate energy?
Also your reply did not speak of recharge rates.
If we really want everyone to stop using oil for fuel, the answer is not to make everyone adopt a technology that is not ready,
but to change the fuel to net zero emissions.
What is a battery? It is an energy storage device, gasoline is also an energy storage device, but currently holds
about a 5:1 energy density advantage over the best batteries, and with much faster fill up rates.
I propose we make carbon neutral gasoline, from surplus solar, wind, and nuclear power,
and every vehicle out there will effectively be an "electric" vehicle, but without everyone changing how they do things.
I think this change is already in the pipeline, and waiting until the inevitable rise in the price of oil,
makes man made fuels the most profitable choice naturally.
The price point look like it is between $90 and $100 a barrel oil.

 

[jimbo]

Incorrect. BTW, it's two papers and they are in agreement.

Which does not mean there is anything new in the papers.

 

[Jack Hays]

Do you really think that lying and hoping that no-one catches you out is a convincing form of argument?

"Road transport accounts for 17% of global greenhouse gas emissions, which is a major factor contributing to climate change."

Global Car Industry Must Shift to Low Carbon to Survive - CDP | UNFCCC

"According to estimates presented in this study, international shipping emitted 796 million tonnes of CO2 in 2012, that is, about 2.2% of the total global CO2 emissions for that year."

GHG Emissions

So it is totally incorrect to claim that shipping produces more greenhouse gas emissions than road transport, let alone 30 times more :lamo In fact road transport produces about 7 to 8 times the greenhouse gas emissions of shipping.

I'm perfectly happy to be "caught out" conveying the data.

[FONT=&quot]". . . It has been estimated that just one of these container ships, the length of around six football pitches, can produce the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars. The emissions from 15 of these mega-ships match those from all the cars in the world. And if the shipping industry were a country, it would be ranked between Germany and Japan as the sixth-largest contributor to global CO2 emissions. . . ."[/FONT]

Cargo ships are the world's worst polluters, so how can they be made ...

 

[Crystal]

President 'has four years to save earth'
us must take the lead to avert eco-disaster!
Robin McKie in New York
The Observer, Saturday 17 January 2009
barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of NASA scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new President could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens the Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

We are down to four years? Gosh! I thought we had twelve.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Most fuel vehicles can fill up in about 5 minuets.
A Tesla super charger takes 20 minuets for a 50% charge and up to 75 minuets for a 100% charge.
Planning a trip, you had better plan for meal breaks around charging stations.

I have never seen a good place to eat near a charging station.

Have you?

 

[Lord of Planar]

That's Tesla. Different battery technology. Did you read the part about battery efficiency in 5 years?

Another feature is that the batteries will not wear even after hundreds of charge cycles. They will still have 95% efficiency after many years of use.

The naysayers will keep talking crap about electric cars, but it's going to happen, and soon. Gas prices alone will shift the market.

Still Science Fiction, until it becomes real.

 

[Lord of Planar]

LOL.

The idiot who wrote your link apparently doesn’t know the difference between sulfur and other pollutants and CO2 emissions.

That’s pretty par for the course, since you’re clearly science-challenges yourself.

Are you saying sulfur and other pollution is not emissions?

 

[longview]

I have never seen a good place to eat near a charging station.

Have you?

Good, is very subjective, we have a charging station at a cracker barrel south of me.
I think there is also a Windy's, KFC, and Taco Bell within walking distance.
None are my idea of road food.