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Deniers are about to lose the Argument

Northern Light said:
The deniers have lost. The only place they still have a foothold is in the United States where the corporate think tanks invest millions in dispensing disinformation to the public. All they have to do is create doubt for it to affect policy. Fortunately, the rest of the world is moving on without us. It's only a matter of time before the fossil fuel industry is displaced, and they know it. I have cousins who work in the fuel sector and they say that everyone knows the way the winds are blowing.

Also, the baby boomers who are largely influencing the disinformation campaigns will be in nursing homes in the next decade, so their ability to destroy the planet will be less influential.

By 2022, the efficiency of batteries is expected to be enough to make electric cars affordable and practical. Consumer demand will shift the market. The dinosaurs who keep denying science and reality will be a thing of the past.
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Australia, Brazil.
 
"Receive wealth or prosperity without arrogance; and be ready to let it go."
--Marcus Aurelius
 
calamity said:
That brings up a good point. When is refusing to acknowledge that which is easily observable considered lying?
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When its not put into the context of normal natural variation by deliberately using far too short a timescale.

Everything can be made to look unprecedented by the simple expedient of ignoring the precedents

The initial article may therefore not be lying per se, but it certainly is ..... 'economizing with the truth' in order advance a political agenda
 
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Northern Light said:
The deniers have lost. The only place they still have a foothold is in the United States where the corporate think tanks invest millions in dispensing disinformation to the public. All they have to do is create doubt for it to affect policy. Fortunately, the rest of the world is moving on without us. It's only a matter of time before the fossil fuel industry is displaced, and they know it. I have cousins who work in the fuel sector and they say that everyone knows the way the winds are blowing.

Also, the baby boomers who are largely influencing the disinformation campaigns will be in nursing homes in the next decade, so their ability to destroy the planet will be less influential.

By 2022, the efficiency of batteries is expected to be enough to make electric cars affordable and practical. Consumer demand will shift the market. The dinosaurs who keep denying science and reality will be a thing of the past.
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And we can recharge our electric cars with the Sun. Available today!!!

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Bye-Bye fossil fuels. I have no need for you in my life.
 
Media_Truth said:
And we can recharge our electric cars with the Sun. Available today!!!

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Bye-Bye fossil fuels. I have no need for you in my life.
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The fossil fuel sector will do everything in their power to block this technology and convince the public it's a bad thing, like they've been doing for years. It will become a matter of which political lean you are as to whether or not you drive an electric car.
 
PoS said:
Exactly. Doomsayers have been saying the same thing for decades, and every time their predicted deadline passes, they wait a bit and then predict the same thing all over again.
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Poor reading comprehension seems to be a common failing with the true believer Climate Truthers. As does creating BS lame strawman arguments to attack.
 
Quaestio said:
Poor reading comprehension seems to be a common failing with the true believer Climate Truthers. As does creating BS lame strawman arguments to attack.
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LOL ad homs is all you got since people are starting to figure out your chicken little nonsense scam. Here's a box of tissues. :2funny:
 
Terryj said:
Say this isn't so !!!! Now we're going to have to come up with some theory as to how to connect human caused CO2 activity with volcanic hot spots under West Antarctica.
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From the comments by Nick Stokes (the only poster making comments on that blog post who appears to have intelligence and who has not been gulliblly sucked into Watt's ignorant pseudoscience nonsense claims misrepresenting the paper:

"Well, first, none of this data refers to warming. It describes a heat source, but no evidence of change over time, and given the depth of the source, short term variation is unlikely. But secondly, the amounts of heat at the surface are minuscule. From the plot, warm spots have about 120 milliwatts/square meter. TSI is about 1364 W/sq m, four orders of magnitude higher. And even if Antarctic gets a tenth of that, that is still three orders of magnitude higher. It’s even tiny relative to GHG forcing at about 2 W/m2. And remember, 2W/m2 is the increase that is causing warming; 120 milliwatts/m2 is the total amount, with no indication of any increase."​
 
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Northern Light said:
The fossil fuel sector will do everything in their power to block this technology and convince the public it's a bad thing, like they've been doing for years. It will become a matter of which political lean you are as to whether or not you drive an electric car.
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In Colorado, a number of Conservatives are embracing renewable energy. I personally know about 8 households that installed PV systems. Of these, three of them are Conservatives. Another of my neighbors, who is a Conservative, after talking to me (Progressive Lean), is in the process of getting quotes.
 
Media_Truth said:
In Colorado, a number of Conservatives are embracing renewable energy. I personally know about 8 households that installed PV systems. Of these, three of them are Conservatives. Another of my neighbors, who is a Conservative, after talking to me (Progressive Lean), is in the process of getting quotes.
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Good to know, thank you for sharing this optimistic anecdote. In my family's home state, it's still "drill baby drill" and it drives me nuts that people think it can go on forever.
 
[h=2]Australia Election Results Show Citizens Fed Up With Infantile “Vote For Us, Or Die!” Campaigns And Threats[/h]By P Gosselin on 19. May 2019
Australia’s election results are in, and once again major media are in state of shock.
[h=3]Hysteria and insults get refuted[/h]The New York Times here for example called it a “stunning win” and claimed it was “propelled by a populist wave” that resembled “the force that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and beyond.”
The UK Guardian went on, calling the result of the “climate change election” a “major upset”, complaining that in fact “the climate lost.”
The climate skeptic, German-language Ruhrkultour here commented that citizens have grown increasingly tired of the “climate hysteria”, and that this ultimately “cost Labour the election victory”.
Now that the dust begins to settle, the search for answers begins in earnest. But as was the case in 2016 in the aftermath of Donald Trump’s stunning victory, don’t expect the losing side to acknowledge the truth and reality. That’s all just a bit too tough for them.
Rather look for them to search out a scapegoat. Expect them to even start criticizing democracy and blaming “misled voters”, who were deceived by fake news and populist disinformation campaigns. There will be more loud calls for even greater crackdowns on Internet social media platforms. . . .
 
Northern Light said:
The fossil fuel sector will do everything in their power to block this technology and convince the public it's a bad thing, like they've been doing for years. It will become a matter of which political lean you are as to whether or not you drive an electric car.
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No they won't. What proof do you have outside of confirmation bias and conspiracy blogs?
 
Media_Truth said:
In Colorado, a number of Conservatives are embracing renewable energy. I personally know about 8 households that installed PV systems. Of these, three of them are Conservatives. Another of my neighbors, who is a Conservative, after talking to me (Progressive Lean), is in the process of getting quotes.
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The only difference is the conservative aren't going to cry if they lose net metering.
 
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Jack Hays said:
[h=2]Australia Election Results Show Citizens Fed Up With Infantile “Vote For Us, Or Die!” Campaigns And Threats[/h]By P Gosselin on 19. May 2019
Australia’s election results are in, and once again major media are in state of shock.
[h=3]Hysteria and insults get refuted[/h]The New York Times here for example called it a “stunning win” and claimed it was “propelled by a populist wave” that resembled “the force that has upended politics in the United States, Britain and beyond.”
The UK Guardian went on, calling the result of the “climate change election” a “major upset”, complaining that in fact “the climate lost.”
The climate skeptic, German-language Ruhrkultour here commented that citizens have grown increasingly tired of the “climate hysteria”, and that this ultimately “cost Labour the election victory”.
Now that the dust begins to settle, the search for answers begins in earnest. But as was the case in 2016 in the aftermath of Donald Trump’s stunning victory, don’t expect the losing side to acknowledge the truth and reality. That’s all just a bit too tough for them.
Rather look for them to search out a scapegoat. Expect them to even start criticizing democracy and blaming “misled voters”, who were deceived by fake news and populist disinformation campaigns. There will be more loud calls for even greater crackdowns on Internet social media platforms. . . .
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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Yep! Those Aussies have learned the hard way, and they don't forget lessons learned. :thumbs: The interesting part will be to see who will be chosen to take the blame! :2bump:
 
polgara said:
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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Yep! Those Aussies have learned the hard way, and they don't forget lessons learned. :thumbs: The interesting part will be to see who will be chosen to take the blame! :2bump:
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Greetings and Happy Sunday, Polgara.:2wave:

Labour Party leader has already taken responsibility for the election loss and will step down.
 
The propaganda continues.


Daily stories of climate death build a Green New Deal!

From the Fabius Maximus Website Larry Kummer, Editor 9 May 2019 Summary: The propaganda barrage for the Green New Deal is accelerating. Science plays a small role in them. Every day brings a new crop of articles like this one. Let’s look under its hood and see what we find. “Where our New World Begins:Power,…
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. . . “which has led to climate events of unprecedented frequency and ferocity, including terrible fires, hurricanes, the decline and extinction of entire species, and dire food and water shortages that have precipitated wars and refugee crises.”

All of that is fallacious. Not true about wildfires (see here, here, and here). Not true about hurricanes (see this, and also here and here). As for “extinction of entire species”, the first likely case was this year – the Bramble Cay melomys, which lived on an island in the Great Barrier Reef (species living on one island are vulnerable to disruption, and account for a large fraction of threatened species). The claims about wars and migrant flows are quite bogus. . . .

 
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