Defund the police didn't last long

[Luce]

thanks for confirming that the source isn't lying your concession is noted.

I am not giving a pack of oathkeeper swine any site traffic. Life is rough.

 

[ludin]

I am not giving a pack of oathkeeper swine any site traffic. Life is rough.

again thanks for confirming that the source isn't lying your concession is noted.
and this is proof again you are not in law enforcement.

 

[Luce]

again thanks for confirming that the source isn't lying your concession is noted.
and this is proof again you are not in law enforcement.

And now you're calling ME a liar.

Good day.

 

[ludin]

It was a simple question. You want to see the police armed as if we were a military force, and I'd like to know why.

So yes. Defund the line items that have nothing to do with actual policing.

your right is a simple question. So i guess you don't understand what the word defund means.
ok no problem.

If you want to defund something then you stop giving it money.

So when you say defund the police it means to stop giving money to the police. This isn't just some money this isn't part of the money this is all of the money.
why? THis is what defund means.

If you want to say like you just did you want to stop the police from getting armed like a military force (which they are already prevented from doing) if you were
in law enforcement you would already know this.

again proof that you are not in law enforcement.

then you would simply state that we want to prevent the police from getting military equipment (which they already are).
again if you were a law enforcement person you would have already known this.

you would say defund police military equipment.
that would be a logical reasoned statement.

defund the police means something else entirely.

So i hope now that I have explained it to you. that you understand.

 

[ludin]

And now you're calling ME a liar.

Good day.

it isn't my fault you can't support what you said. that is your fault.
You presented 0 evidence to show that the article is lying or being dishonest.

all you are doing is ad homineming.
which isn't an argument it is a fallacy.

 

[X Factor]

I didn't say it doesn't mean anything bad. I'm just saying the rightwing propaganda that tries to

A) Equate defunding with abolition
B) Pretend that this is a general platform of the Democrats

is completely dishonest and nothing more than a propaganda narrative pushed by those who want this to be far more significant than it is.

lol

That’s funny. Liberals and Dems spent so much time trying to deflect criticism from the idea, yet we shouldn’t assume they support it. That’s what’s dishonest.

 

[vegas giants]

That’s funny. Liberals and Dems spent so much time trying to deflect criticism from the idea, yet we shouldn’t assume they support it. That’s what’s dishonest.

And your plan is.....do nothing

 

[Linc]

That’s funny. Liberals and Dems spent so much time trying to deflect criticism from the idea, yet we shouldn’t assume they support it. That’s what’s dishonest.

Especially All Liberals.

 

[Ikari]

That’s funny. Liberals and Dems spent so much time trying to deflect criticism from the idea, yet we shouldn’t assume they support it. That’s what’s dishonest.

When the right writes a narrative that this is a leftwing, Democratic backed platform, why wouldn't they speak out about it? The right is trying to score cheap political points by turning a chant into a Democrat platform point. It's not, not on whole. Biden doesn't support the defunding the police, not in a manner that means abolition of the police. Not many politicians believe in getting rid of the cops, this isn't some general platform talking point.

 

[Ikari]

And your plan is.....do nothing

Invent propaganda narratives, pretend that it's a general platform of the Democrats, and then point fingers at the left saying "AH HA!".

It's a strawman, but it seems to have been a common tactic for some time.

 

[X Factor]

When the right writes a narrative that this is a leftwing, Democratic backed platform, why wouldn't they speak out about it? The right is trying to score cheap political points by turning a chant into a Democrat platform point. It's not, not on whole. Biden doesn't support the defunding the police, not in a manner that means abolition of the police. Not many politicians believe in getting rid of the cops, this isn't some general platform talking point.

Not just “speak out” but deflect criticism from the idea. Whine and blame mean righties all you want, but Dems are definitely not coming across as pro law enforcement.

 

[Ikari]

Not just “speak out” but deflect criticism from the idea. Whine and blame mean righties all you want, but Dems are definitely not coming across as pro law enforcement.

:roll:

Broad generalizations and strawman narratives are not convincing.

 

[X Factor]

It appears to have morphed into "reimagining" police lately.

Whatever good things they think will come from gutting police departments will certainly be a product of their imaginations.

 

[vegas giants]

Whatever good things they think will come from gutting police departments will certainly be a product of their imaginations.

This is based on your extensive law enforcement experience. Lol

 

[X Factor]

This is based on your extensive law enforcement experience. Lol

Some of the results are already in.

 

[Metric Mouse]

That's what we have traffic patrols for. To prevent accidents. You are not really helping anything after they have happened.


But let's hear your ideas on how to make things better

Traffic stops are a huge part of the problem. They have a history of being racially motivated and racially discriminatory. No need for the police to do them, especially with the history of escalating violence and number of deaths resulting from traffic stops.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Whatever good things they think will come from gutting police departments will certainly be a product of their imaginations.

As was noted by another poster, once the police funding has been transferred to newly created social programs then the police funding will be restored (by public demand) leaving the new social programs in place. The era of big government is over - we are now in the era of huge government.

 

[vegas giants]

Some of the results are already in.

Yes I know. I was part of it. Police reform has been very successful

 

[vegas giants]

As was noted by another poster, once the police funding has been transferred to newly created social programs then the police funding will be restored (by public demand) leaving the new social programs in place. The era of big government is over - we are now in the era of huge government.

Sounds great

 

[Hypothetical]

When the right writes a narrative that this is a leftwing, Democratic backed platform, why wouldn't they speak out about it? The right is trying to score cheap political points by turning a chant into a Democrat platform point. It's not, not on whole. Biden doesn't support the defunding the police, not in a manner that means abolition of the police. Not many politicians believe in getting rid of the cops, this isn't some general platform talking point.

Biden doesn't control the local police, the stupid local Dem politicians that DID come out for defunding the police due to radical leftist groups calling for it, are, and they did and NOW they are seeing consequences for it.

so what does this tell us? local dem policies are a failure and the they will give rise to the craziest ideas, and you should never listen to radical groups on the spur of the moment.

 

[Trump]

Biden doesn't control the local police, the stupid local Dem politicians that DID come out for defunding the police due to radical leftist groups calling for it, are, and they did and NOW they are seeing consequences for it.

amazing how that works

 

[vegas giants]

Biden doesn't control the local police, the stupid local Dem politicians that DID come out for defunding the police due to radical leftist groups calling for it, are, and they did and NOW they are seeing consequences for it.

Yeah it's great. Very successful

 

[Hypothetical]

Yeah it's great. Very successful

glad you are happy to see people dying due to the defunding the police crime wave.

how about we do it in your town? are you from vegas? wow that ought to be a laugh riot defunding the police there huh?

how much more Democrat "success" can this country take?

 

[vegas giants]

glad you are happy to see people dying due to the defunding the police crime wave.

how about we do it in your town? are you from vegas? wow that ought to be a laugh riot defunding the police there huh?

Who is that? Which police dept was defunded and then people died?


Be specific


And vegas is way ahead of you

 

[ludin]

Traffic stops are a huge part of the problem. They have a history of being racially motivated and racially discriminatory. No need for the police to do them, especially with the history of escalating violence and number of deaths resulting from traffic stops.

Traffic stops happen in area's for different reasons.
The cops that police those area's know the cars that are driving and they know the people as the people that are usually stopped in those have had past encounters with the police.

No most deaths from encounters from police comes from people running, resisting, and doing crap that they should do like reaching for items when told not to reach for items.