Defund the police didn't last long

[Razoo]

that is not called defunding. leftist never understand the words they use.
that is called budget cutting which is not defund.

and the defund the police movement didn't last to long by those that have been victimized by the complete
and utter failure in NY and their government to enforce the laws.

in NY alone almost 200 shootings. 30+ dead.

defund the police is the leftist motto congrats on all the blood.

it is not budget-cutting ....... it is providing money to have people on a scene trained in deescalation etc etc etc

 

[ttwtt78640]

Well that’s puzzling if “defunding” doesn’t actually mean “defunding” any more.

It appears to have morphed into "reimagining" police lately.

 

[ttwtt78640]

That's what we have traffic patrols for. To prevent accidents. You are not really helping anything after they have happened.


But let's hear your ideas on how to make things better

99% (or more) of police work is reacting to things (like crimes) which have already happened. The idea that police can prevent crime (react to some crime which has not yet happened?) is a bit much to expect of them (or anyone else).

 

[Ikari]

Well that’s puzzling if “defunding” doesn’t actually mean “defunding” any more.

I know, it's tough for some. But the defunding thing started as some chant in a protest, some folk ran with it. It never really coallesed into much, some tried to claim abolition of the police, some tried to claim defunding and refocusing that money into social projects; but it was a fractured chant that rarely, if ever, put anything coherent forward. The right spun it into a narrative that defunding meant that police departments would be defunded in full and that it must be done by "leftists" and "democrats". They normally used the aggregate term to try to apply this to the left. The goal is so obvious that a blind dog could see it. It was a pathetic partisan attack on some protest chant that was picked up by a limited number of people/politicians.

So Biden had claimed he doesn't support defunding the police, as the right would have us believe that exists only in the absolute sense. Defunding police = getting rid of the police. Biden did claim that some of their budget can be cut and perhaps redirected elsewhere. But that's a budget cut, it's a limited amount of funding cut from a budget.

I know it's hard when things don't quite play into one's propaganda narrative as well as they would like. But lying about things, trying to equate budget cuts to the defunding movement, isn't the way to go about trying to make that square peg fit into the round hole.

 

[vegas giants]

99% (or more) of police work is reacting to things (like crimes) which have already happened. The idea that police can prevent crime (react to some crime which has not yet happened?) is a bit much to expect of them (or anyone else).

Ok you have nothing

 

[Irwin Corey]

Defund the police didn't last long

"Defunding the police" was never a one size fits all solution. I don't know anyone that wanted it applied universally across the nation.

In places like Minneapolis where their police department became uncontrollable rethinking a "police department" became their only solution.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Ok you have nothing

Neither did you - other than the assertion that traffic patrols could better prevent traffic "accidents" by not responding to them.

 

[vegas giants]

Neither did you - other than the assertion that traffic patrols could better prevent traffic "accidents" by not responding to them.

I see. Just skip over the mcrts. Both of my suggestions have already been successfully implemented.



But you offer nothing

 

[ludin]

it is not budget-cutting ....... it is providing money to have people on a scene trained in deescalation etc etc etc

Defund means:
prevent from continuing to receive funds.

Yes that is budget cutting. if you take 15m from group A and give it to group B you cut group a budget 15m dollars.
they don't have that money anymore.

 

[X Factor]

I know, it's tough for some. But the defunding thing started as some chant in a protest, some folk ran with it. It never really coallesed into much, some tried to claim abolition of the police, some tried to claim defunding and refocusing that money into social projects; but it was a fractured chant that rarely, if ever, put anything coherent forward. The right spun it into a narrative that defunding meant that police departments would be defunded in full and that it must be done by "leftists" and "democrats". They normally used the aggregate term to try to apply this to the left. The goal is so obvious that a blind dog could see it. It was a pathetic partisan attack on some protest chant that was picked up by a limited number of people/politicians.

So Biden had claimed he doesn't support defunding the police, as the right would have us believe that exists only in the absolute sense. Defunding police = getting rid of the police. Biden did claim that some of their budget can be cut and perhaps redirected elsewhere. But that's a budget cut, it's a limited amount of funding cut from a budget.

I know it's hard when things don't quite play into one's propaganda narrative as well as they would like. But lying about things, trying to equate budget cuts to the defunding movement, isn't the way to go about trying to make that square peg fit into the round hole.

I know. It’s a terrible thing when people actually take Dems at their word. We should all know better than that. Maybe though, instead of being annoyed at people that assumed defunding actually means defunding, at least part of the blame lies with those that embraced and attempted to redefine it rather that distance from it.

 

[Ikari]

I know. It’s a terrible thing when people actually take Dems at their word. We should all know better than that. Maybe though, instead of being annoyed at people that assumed defunding actually means defunding, at least part of the blame lies with those that embraced and attempted to redefine it rather that distance from it.

It is terrible when people try to pretend that a chant from protesters is somehow the "Dems word", when in fact it was never integrated into their platforms on whole and at best you have a handful of politicians pushing it.

lol

Maybe though, instead of pretending this is some aggregate effect that can be equally held over the whole, and that "defunding" doesn't mean what the rightwing propaganda is pretending it to believe, one can use honest arguments.

Maybe.

 

[j brown's body]

Members of black community calling for NYPD to bring back anti-crime unit

In the wake of continued weeks of gun violence, including the recent death of a one-year-old, members of the black community are calling on the NYPD to bring back their recently disbanded anti-crime unit to help get guns off the streets.
According to CBSNewYork, in a dramatic moment, Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams held up a pair of baby shoes Monday, after a one-year-old became the latest victim of gun violence. The one-year-old was caught in the crossfire at a family barbecue.

Adams pleaded:

“Babies are not supposed to be wearing these in a coffin.”

The leftist agenda losses again.

The Baltimore Police Dept. had a specialized illegal gun unit and most of its members are now in prison.

 

[ludin]

The Baltimore Police Dept. had a specialized illegal gun unit and most of its members are now in prison.

nothing to do with the OP.
the OP states that the defund the police didn't last long after the people that live there have experienced
a ton of shootings and death including those of baby's and teenagers due to the lack of police.

 

[X Factor]

It is terrible when people try to pretend that a chant from protesters is somehow the "Dems word", when in fact it was never integrated into their platforms on whole and at best you have a handful of politicians pushing it.

lol

Maybe though, instead of pretending this is some aggregate effect that can be equally held over the whole, and that "defunding" doesn't mean what the rightwing propaganda is pretending it to believe, one can use honest arguments.

Maybe.

Ahh, the contortions you have to make to try to keep “defunding” advocates from sounding like complete idiots. You’re all “defunding doesn’t mean anything bad” while, at the same time saying that no or very few Dems embrace it. So, if defunding simply means shifting money around, what is it about that Biden doesn’t support?

 

[Luce]

Members of black community calling for NYPD to bring back anti-crime unit

In the wake of continued weeks of gun violence, including the recent death of a one-year-old, members of the black community are calling on the NYPD to bring back their recently disbanded anti-crime unit to help get guns off the streets.
According to CBSNewYork, in a dramatic moment, Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams held up a pair of baby shoes Monday, after a one-year-old became the latest victim of gun violence. The one-year-old was caught in the crossfire at a family barbecue.

Adams pleaded:

“Babies are not supposed to be wearing these in a coffin.”

The leftist agenda losses again.

Your source is clearly unbiased.

 

[ludin]

It is terrible when people try to pretend that a chant from protesters is somehow the "Dems word", when in fact it was never integrated into their platforms on whole and at best you have a handful of politicians pushing it.

lol

Maybe though, instead of pretending this is some aggregate effect that can be equally held over the whole, and that "defunding" doesn't mean what the rightwing propaganda is pretending it to believe, one can use honest arguments.

Maybe.

The definition of defund is pretty simple to find.

prevent from continuing to receive funds.

so what happens if the government or whoever stops and prevents giving money to the police?
what happens to the police?

THis has been posted millions of times and every single time leftist on here simply don't get it.

it isn't hard to understand the definition of words it is why we have a dictionary.

 

[X Factor]

"Defunding the police" was never a one size fits all solution. I don't know anyone that wanted it applied universally across the nation.

In places like Minneapolis where their police department became uncontrollable rethinking a "police department" became their only solution.

And how’s that solution working out?

 

[Ikari]

Ahh, the contortions you have to make to try to keep “defunding” advocates from sounding like complete idiots. You’re all “defunding doesn’t mean anything bad” while, at the same time saying that no or very few Dems embrace it. So, if defunding simply means shifting money around, what is it about that Biden doesn’t support?

I didn't say it doesn't mean anything bad. I'm just saying the rightwing propaganda that tries to

A) Equate defunding with abolition
B) Pretend that this is a general platform of the Democrats

is completely dishonest and nothing more than a propaganda narrative pushed by those who want this to be far more significant than it is.

lol

 

[Luce]

Defund means:
prevent from continuing to receive funds.

Yes that is budget cutting. if you take 15m from group A and give it to group B you cut group a budget 15m dollars.
they don't have that money anymore.

How many armored fighting vehicles does a police force need?

 

[ludin]

Your source is clearly unbiased.

PLease show me where the people in the source are lying.
are you saying that the black people that live in that community and that the black community leaders
that want the police are lying?

please prove they are lying?

ad hominems are failures.

 

[j brown's body]

NY's abpnti-crime unit was not disbanded. It's members were reassigned (where have I heard THAT before?)

It was not disbanded by leftists, but by the police commissioner.

Beyond all that, regulating guns is the missing ingredient here when it comes to stopping gun deaths.

 

[ludin]

How many armored fighting vehicles does a police force need?

nothing to do with what i said.
what part of defund do you not understand?
it is a fairly easy word and i posted the definition.

So what part of that word do you not understand and I will help you with it.

 

[Luce]

PLease show me where the people in the source are lying.
are you saying that the black people that live in that community and that the black community leaders
that want the police are lying?

please prove they are lying?

ad hominems are failures.

Your source is clearly unbiased.

 

[ludin]

Your source is clearly unbiased.

thanks for confirming that the source isn't lying your concession is noted.

 

[Luce]

nothing to do with what i said.
what part of defund do you not understand?
it is a fairly easy word and i posted the definition.

So what part of that word do you not understand and I will help you with it.

It was a simple question. You want to see the police armed as if we were a military force, and I'd like to know why.

So yes. Defund the line items that have nothing to do with actual policing.