Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

[ataraxia]

Healthcare not being a right does not mean people should go without it. Something doesn't have to be a right inorder for everyone to have it.

Everyone should access to healthcare and healthcare is not a right.

If it’s not a right, why should they? What to do when they hit hard times and they can’t afford it? There has to be something that separates it from just any other commodity on the free market.

 

[Wayne Jr]

You are the one alleging there is no human right to healthcare with a welfare clause General not Common.

I haven't said anything was with a welfare clause.

 

[danielpalos]

I haven't said anything was with a welfare clause.

Our welfare clause is General not Common. Why do you believe there is no human right to healthcare?

 

[Wayne Jr]

If it’s not a right, why should they?

Healthcare is a commodity, and there are many commodities that I encourage. For example, I encourage everyone to exercise. That doesn't mean you have a right to access a privately owned gym.

What to do when they hit hard times and they can’t afford it?

Hospitals are very easy to work with when it comes to payment plans.

There has to be something that separates it from just any other commodity on the free market.

The Federal government is single-handedly responsible for the total lack of covid-19 tests, the delay in creating a covid vaccine, and the delayed response to the spread of covid. That's the kind of BS you get when the government runs healthcare, which it would if healthcare is established as a right.

Reinforcing healthcare as a commodity frees doctors to develop and implement tests, vaccines, and make the public aware of safe practices.

Maybe you like the idea of Trump making your medical decisions for you, but I don't.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Our welfare clause is General not Common.

No one was talking about a welfare clause in the first place.

 

[danielpalos]

No one was talking about a welfare clause in the first place.

Why would a common clause allow for alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror; do we have a human right to them but not healthcare?

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Because we voted in big spenders. Elections have consequences. If we don't like all the spending then we need to vote in fiscal conservatives, but conservatives bring other baggage with them into office like removing abortion rights and putting prayer in schools. You have to pick your poison, but it's all poison.

Is Trump going to massively cut back on military spending? I don't think so. He also reneged on a new 9/11 investigation. He is no use to me.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

If it’s not a right, why should they? What to do when they hit hard times and they can’t afford it? There has to be something that separates it from just any other commodity on the free market.

sorry, a person's life in no way falls into the category of cars, computers, etc.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Why would a common clause allow for alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror;

I have no idea.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Is Trump going to massively cut back on military spending? I don't think so. He also reneged on a new 9/11 investigation. He is no use to me.

We don't need another 9/11 investigation but that's beside the point. Trump is a big spender, we put Trump in office, QED we like paying a lot in taxes. You have to pay because you lost the election. So did I. Next time, win the election.

 

[Wayne Jr]

sorry, a person's life in no way falls into the category of cars, computers, etc.

This is about healthcare, not lives.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

This is about healthcare, not lives.

oh, I didn't realize they weren't connected.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Healthcare is a commodity, and there are many commodities that I encourage. For example, I encourage everyone to exercise. That doesn't mean you have a right to access a privately owned gym.


Hospitals are very easy to work with when it comes to payment plans.


The Federal government is single-handedly responsible for the total lack of covid-19 tests, the delay in creating a covid vaccine, and the delayed response to the spread of covid. That's the kind of BS you get when the government runs healthcare, which it would if healthcare is established as a right.

Reinforcing healthcare as a commodity frees doctors to develop and implement tests, vaccines, and make the public aware of safe practices.

Maybe you like the idea of Trump making your medical decisions for you, but I don't.

"Hospitals are very easy to work with when it comes to payment plans." BS - the cost gets passed on others' insurance premiums

 

[ataraxia]

Healthcare is a commodity, and there are many commodities that I encourage. For example, I encourage everyone to exercise. That doesn't mean you have a right to access a privately owned gym.

Watching a little 4-year-old die of cancer because she was born to poor parents is not the same thing as not exercising as much as you should.

Hospitals are very easy to work with when it comes to payment plans.

I work in healthcare. I assure you they are not. And when people don't pay, all they do is just jack up the prices for those who can. So society bears the cost one way or the other. The difference is, when people have insurance, they get preventive care more- like $10/mo blood pressure medicine. That's much cheaper than someone not getting that care and ending up in the ER at 3 am with chest pain requiring emergency cardiac catheterization, kidney failure requiring a lifetime of dialysis, and going blind for the rest of their life, all from uncontrolled blood pressure because they couldn't afford annual checkups.

The Federal government is single-handedly responsible for the total lack of covid-19 tests, the delay in creating a covid vaccine, and the delayed response to the spread of covid. That's the kind of BS you get when the government runs healthcare, which it would if healthcare is established as a right.

Reinforcing healthcare as a commodity frees doctors to develop and implement tests, vaccines, and make the public aware of safe practices.

Maybe you like the idea of Trump making your medical decisions for you, but I don't.

Countries like S. Korea and Germany did much better with COVID than countries like us. Why?
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Universal Healthcare systems have improved the public health everywhere they have been adapted. The latest unqualified success has been Thailand. They still have top quality healthcare, and are a top medical tourism destination from many countries, including the US. However, since the introduction of a UHS safety net, their public health has improved dramatically by almost every measure. But surprisingly and unexpectedly, their rate of extreme poverty also dropped. Why? It turns out that the extreme poverty in their country was almost all due to unexpected catastrophic illness in an uninsured family member, with the entire rest of the family going broke trying to pay for it, kids dropping out of school and college to work to pay for it, etc... The result of lifting that burden has been that their economy has also started growing faster. Double bonus!

What Thailand can teach the world about universal healthcare | Health revolution | The Guardian

I don't see the problem with a hybrid private/public healthcare system here as well, like the one in Thailand, or the one we already have here for public education. If you have the money, you can still send your kids to the most elite private college-prep Ivy-League-feeding boarding schools. But if you don't, we still have the public school system as a backup safety net system to make sure our populace has some basic education. We all benefit (and don't tell me about charter schools- those are still paid for by public funds).

 

[Wayne Jr]

To redress:

"This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

DeWine didn't sit around waiting for the feds to save the day. DeWine knows that the States created the federal government, not the other way around and that Governers have final authority over their state. DeWine openly ignored the Trump Administration's guidance and locked down Ohio. DeWine, at center of Ohio’s COVID-19 response, garners national praise By contrast, DeSantis, a Trump boot-licker, followed Trump's guidance to the letter and Florida was slow to respond and undersupplied as a result.

This isn't a 'pro-Trump vs anti-Trump' problem, this is a 'is your governer competent to hold office' problem. Ohio didn't need to know New Jersy's demographic info in order for Ohio to shut down schools and large public gatherings in Ohio. Idaho doesn't need to know exactly how many people in Alabama have died in order for Idaho to stock up on N95 masks for Idaho. Oregan doesn't need the exact infection rate in Texas in order for Oregan to 3D print covid-19 tests for Oregan.

A lack of centralized reporting is not getting in the way of anything. Waiting on the Fed to come and save you is what is in your way. Make your governer get off his or her ass and actually do their ****ing job and petition a recall if they won't.

 

[Wayne Jr]

oh, I didn't realize they weren't connected.

Well, now you do.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

To redress:



DeWine didn't sit around waiting for the feds to save the day. DeWine knows that the States created the federal government, not the other way around and that Governers have final authority over their state. DeWine openly ignored the Trump Administration's guidance and locked down Ohio. DeWine, at center of Ohio’s COVID-19 response, garners national praise By contrast, DeSantis, a Trump boot-licker, followed Trump's guidance to the letter and Florida was slow to respond and undersupplied as a result.

This isn't a 'pro-Trump vs anti-Trump' problem, this is a 'is your governer competent to hold office' problem. Ohio didn't need to know New Jersy's demographic info in order for Ohio to shut down schools and large public gatherings in Ohio. Idaho doesn't need to know exactly how many people in Alabama have died in order for Idaho to stock up on N95 masks for Idaho. Oregan doesn't need the exact infection rate in Texas in order for Oregan to 3D print covid-19 tests for Oregan.

A lack of centralized reporting is not getting in the way of anything. Waiting on the Fed to come and save you is what is in your way. Make your governer get off his or her ass and actually do their ****ing job and petition a recall if they won't.

Did you watch the video?

 

[Wayne Jr]

"Hospitals are very easy to work with when it comes to payment plans." BS - the cost gets passed on others' insurance premiums

Unpaid bills are what gets passed down. A payment plan is an act of paying your bill, and so it does not get passed down.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Watching a little 4-year-old die of cancer because she was born to poor parents...

Each state already has various programs to fund treatment for the income qualified. Call 877-336-7287 for more info.

 

[free press]

Watching a little 4-year-old die of cancer because she was born to poor parents is not the same thing as not exercising as much as you should.




I work in healthcare. I assure you they are not. And when people don't pay, all they do is just jack up the prices for those who can. So society bears the cost one way or the other. The difference is, when people have insurance, they get preventive care more- like $10/mo blood pressure medicine. That's much cheaper than someone not getting that care and ending up in the ER at 3 am with chest pain requiring emergency cardiac catheterization, kidney failure requiring a lifetime of dialysis, and going blind for the rest of their life, all from uncontrolled blood pressure because they couldn't afford annual checkups.




Countries like S. Korea and Germany did much better with COVID than countries like us. Why?
_____________________
Universal Healthcare systems have improved the public health everywhere they have been adapted. The latest unqualified success has been Thailand. They still have top quality healthcare, and are a top medical tourism destination from many countries, including the US. However, since the introduction of a UHS safety net, their public health has improved dramatically by almost every measure. But surprisingly and unexpectedly, their rate of extreme poverty also dropped. Why? It turns out that the extreme poverty in their country was almost all due to unexpected catastrophic illness in an uninsured family member, with the entire rest of the family going broke trying to pay for it, kids dropping out of school and college to work to pay for it, etc... The result of lifting that burden has been that their economy has also started growing faster. Double bonus!

What Thailand can teach the world about universal healthcare | Health revolution | The Guardian

I don't see the problem with a hybrid private/public healthcare system here as well, like the one in Thailand, or the one we already have here for public education. If you have the money, you can still send your kids to the most elite private college-prep Ivy-League-feeding boarding schools. But if you don't, we still have the public school system as a backup safety net system to make sure our populace has some basic education. We all benefit (and don't tell me about charter schools- those are still paid for by public funds).

CV19 is a lie it is a myth

Deaths per million

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Unpaid bills are what gets passed down. A payment plan is an act of paying your bill, and so it does not get passed down.

I've never heard of a hospital bill payment plan - are interest charges involved? Do you know of any hospital that does this?

 

[Wayne Jr]

Countries like S. Korea and Germany did much better with COVID than countries like us. Why?

Because Germany has a lower median age and also got mass testing underway early.

 

[free press]

Because Germany has a lower median age and also got mass testing underway early.

Wrong.

 

[Linc]

CV19 is a lie it is a myth

COVID Truther ignores Trump’s own words.

 

[free press]

COVID Truther ignores Trump’s own words.

2 per 100,000 have died since December from CV19. Update your narrative son