Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

[Wayne Jr]

let me ask you something........if people actually did find ways to reach compromises, would you fight it? Do you in fact relish the polarity....?

Depends on the exact compromise, actually.

For example, if the Left wants to tax my income +10%, and the Right wants to increase fees by +10%, so the get together and 'compromise' on taxing me oNlY +5% and a increasing the fees I pay by 0nLy +5%, then no, I would not accept that compromise.

While that's a silly example, I hope it demonstrates that a compromise is useless when you aren't getting anything out of it.

 

[Wayne Jr]

....if people actually did find ways to reach compromises, would you fight it?

Let me also say that while I will compromise on many things, there are some things that I will oppose regardless of any compromise offer.

I will never support a ban on elective abortion, for example. There is nothing you could offer that would convince me to support that. I categorically oppose single-payer because of how much it grows the government; and I oppose big-government due to its record of horribly mismanaging the people's money. Look at Social Security if you need an example. There is nothing you can offer that would convince me to support single-payer because all single-payer increases government and all big governments mismanage your money.

If you think that means I 'relish the polarity' instead of having actual reasons for that position, instead of having my own answer to the healthcare problem in America, then please add me to your ignore list and go on with your life.

 

[Torus34]

A very large error in the data compiled from the reports of the states is that many more people are actually infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus than are reported. This is due to testing not keeping up with the spread.

If, for instance, we begin with the Worldometer(r) data from 3/22, the mortality rate, calculated as a percent of those confirmed to have the virus, was 1.34. If we carry that percent forward and apply it to the number of deaths recorded for 5/29, the US falls short by some 6 million unidentified cases.

 

[Drawdown]

I can tell you didn't watch the video; you probably couldn't follow it anyway. Had you known that 9/11 could have been prevented with better data management?

Yawns. "Date Management" isn't going to tell you whether or not I wear a mask when I go to Walmart with our without the warrantless searches of my cellphone, internet, and social media.

 

[Thoreau72]

I can tell you didn't watch the video; you probably couldn't follow it anyway. Had you known that 9/11 could have been prevented with better data management?

Like this plandemic today, the events of 9/11 were staged. It was the proverbial "inside job". Without going any more off topic, all the known facts contradict the official narrative regarding the events of that day.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Depends on the exact compromise, actually.

For example, if the Left wants to tax my income +10%, and the Right wants to increase fees by +10%, so the get together and 'compromise' on taxing me oNlY +5% and a increasing the fees I pay by 0nLy +5%, then no, I would not accept that compromise.

While that's a silly example, I hope it demonstrates that a compromise is useless when you aren't getting anything out of it.

the compromise I suggest is while not establishing socialized medicine, we could have a national public health reporting system to streamline data acquisition on pandemics

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Let me also say that while I will compromise on many things, there are some things that I will oppose regardless of any compromise offer.

I will never support a ban on elective abortion, for example. There is nothing you could offer that would convince me to support that. I categorically oppose single-payer because of how much it grows the government; and I oppose big-government due to its record of horribly mismanaging the people's money. Look at Social Security if you need an example. There is nothing you can offer that would convince me to support single-payer because all single-payer increases government and all big governments mismanage your money.

If you think that means I 'relish the polarity' instead of having actual reasons for that position, instead of having my own answer to the healthcare problem in America, then please add me to your ignore list and go on with your life.

don't you think We the People should be figuring out how to fix the healthcare problem? We are supposed to be deciding how the country functions, but most people don't even think about solving problems - huge waste of brain power

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Yawns. "Date Management" isn't going to tell you whether or not I wear a mask when I go to Walmart with our without the warrantless searches of my cellphone, internet, and social media.

no (DUH) data management is the first layer in analyzing the effect of the disease on the country as a whole, which lets us make the best decisions. Watch the video.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Like this plandemic today, the events of 9/11 were staged. It was the proverbial "inside job". Without going any more off topic, all the known facts contradict the official narrative regarding the events of that day.

I'll ask again: Had you known that 9/11 could have been prevented with better data management? Better internet traffic analysis to hone in on terrorist activity. To be specific, if NSA hadn't used the failed "trailblazer" program (that cost taxpayers $millions), but had used a more efficient, cheaper program called "thinthread", the attacks would have been predicted. How data is collected hugely affects the ability for analysts to make sense of it.

 

[Drawdown]

no (DUH) data management is the first layer in analyzing the effect of the disease on the country as a whole, which lets us make the best decisions. Watch the video.

The effect of the disease does not prevent the disease. Make up your mind. You said 9/11 could have been prevented. No it couldn't have because they weren't criminals until they did what they did. We have had mass shooters who were investigated prior to their killing spree and nothing could be done because they weren't criminals.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

The effect of the disease does not prevent the disease. Make up your mind. You said 9/11 could have been prevented. No it couldn't have because they weren't criminals until they did what they did. We have had mass shooters who were investigated prior to their killing spree and nothing could be done because they weren't criminals.

you are so dense
1. the effect of the disease on populations in different areas help plan defenses ex. shutdown or not
2. The 9/11 hijackers were well known by the FBI and CIA and we could have had air defenses ready to intercept the hijacked planes. The better surveillance technology (thinthread) was later used to search the trailblazer data base and pulled out crucial facts buried in piles of useless data - all the signs were there, hidden in the metadata. "That the elaborate 9/11 plot went undetected will forever be remembered as one of the intelligence community’s worst failures."

U.S. Intelligence Needs Another Reinvention - The Atlantic

 

[EnigmaO01]

Neither system works with compromise. Oil and water. It has to be one of the other.

Bull. Our government is a mixture of capitalism and socialism.

 

[Wayne Jr]

don't you think We the People should be figuring out how to fix the healthcare problem? We are supposed to be deciding how the country functions, but most people don't even think about solving problems - huge waste of brain power

Politicians can't be seen doing something about a problem if the problem is fixed. Politicians, all parties, need you to be in fear inorder for them to keep their jobs.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Politicians can't be seen doing something about a problem if the problem is fixed. Politicians, all parties, need you to be in fear inorder for them to keep their jobs.

the healthcare problem is fixed?

 

[Wayne Jr]

the healthcare problem is fixed?

Did I say it was? No.

I said politicians do not want to fix healthcare because then they wouldn't be able to be seen doing something about healthcare.

Politicians do not want to fix any problem, because they need to be seen doing something about a problem in order to keep their job. If they fix problems, they won't be needed anymore and will lose their job.

This is why no one who actually WANTS to be in office should ever be put in office. Only people who hate politics should be in politics so that they fix the problem and get out.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Did I say it was? No.

I said politicians do not want to fix healthcare because then they wouldn't be able to be seen doing something about healthcare.

Politicians do not want to fix any problem, because they need to be seen doing something about a problem in order to keep their job. If they fix problems, they won't be needed anymore and will lose their job.

This is why no one who actually WANTS to be in office should ever be put in office. Only people who hate politics should be in politics so that they fix the problem and get out.

are you going to fix the healthcare problem? All you can do is whine - no productive action. Are you involved in any of your state's citizen action groups?

 

[Wayne Jr]

are you going to fix the healthcare problem?

I'm not a politician, and even if I were, I'd have all the other politicians trying to stop me, so that they could keep their jobs.

All you can do is whine - no productive action.

Exactly what do you expect to see on a discussion forum?

Are you involved in any of your state's citizen action groups?

I was until the majority started supporting universal healthcare, the very thing I oppose.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

I'm not a politician, and even if I were, I'd have all the other politicians trying to stop me, so that they could keep their jobs.


Exactly what do you expect to see on a discussion forum?


I was until the majority started supporting universal healthcare, the very thing I oppose.

Our country was never meant to rely on the politicians for being the major movers. It's supposed to come from grass roots and work up through the community and state levels and then national. The people were supposed to come in from the fields, read the newspaper and go to local planning groups. The problem is the founding fathers never counted on having citizens that want too much entertainment and have no time to work locally to drive agendas; we end up with no influence on who we even have for prospective candidates; we wait til they pop up out of nowhere on TV and watch the show, then just hop into the polls and pick the lesser evil. We have given up our part of the burden that the Great American Experiment placed on us.

We were supposed to keep ourselves well-educated, sober and thoughtful - not get out of work and act like kids at recess.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Our country was never meant to rely on the politicians for being the major movers. It's supposed to come from grass roots and work up through the community and state levels and then national. The people were supposed to come in from the fields, read the newspaper and go to local planning groups. The problem is the founding fathers never counted on having citizens that want too much entertainment and have no time to work locally to drive agendas; we end up with no influence on who we even have for prospective candidates; we wait til they pop up out of nowhere on TV and watch the show, then just hop into the polls and pick the lesser evil. We have given up our part of the burden that the Great American Experiment placed on us.

We were supposed to keep ourselves well-educated, sober and thoughtful - not get out of work and act like kids at recess.

The reason every democracy fails is the public eventually realizes it can vote itself a piece of the treasury.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

The reason every democracy fails is the public eventually realizes it can vote itself a piece of the treasury.

Have to think about that one....

 

[Thoreau72]

I'll ask again: Had you known that 9/11 could have been prevented with better data management? Better internet traffic analysis to hone in on terrorist activity. To be specific, if NSA hadn't used the failed "trailblazer" program (that cost taxpayers $millions), but had used a more efficient, cheaper program called "thinthread", the attacks would have been predicted. How data is collected hugely affects the ability for analysts to make sense of it.

Having studied 911 for about 15 years, those events could not have been prevented. They had been planned for years at least. The official story/narrative fails utterly at every turn.

So you ask a question that is really just a hypothetical. Whether Binney (I'm a huge fan) and the NSA could have predicted it would not have mattered. Israel and Mossad hold a very tight grip on the Pentagon and other elements of the federal government.

So I'm not trying to dodge your good question. All I'm saying is that whether Al Gore or George Bush was POTUS, the events would still have played out. NSA could not have stopped it.

 

[ataraxia]

The reason every democracy fails is the public eventually realizes it can vote itself a piece of the treasury.

A safety net protecting the basic human rights of a nation‘s citizens is how all modern economically developed democratic nations work. These human rights were clearly outlined in the Universal declaration of human rights in 1948, and include the rights to food, clean water, shelter, a basic education, and access to healthcare.

Cut the drama, it’s already been done. It’s not that hard.

 

[Thoreau72]

The reason every democracy fails is the public eventually realizes it can vote itself a piece of the treasury.

Some fail because the oligarchs and special interests take control of the government behind the scenes.

 

[Wayne Jr]

A safety net protecting the basic human rights of a nation‘s citizens is how all modern economically developed democratic nations work. These human rights were clearly outlined in the Universal declaration of human rights in 1948, and include the rights to food, clean water, shelter, a basic education, and access to healthcare.

Cut the drama, it’s already been done. It’s not that hard.

Healthcare is not a human right.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Some fail because the oligarchs and special interests take control of the government behind the scenes.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

― Alexander Fraser Tytler