De Javu...I am feeling an eerie sense of dejavu

[Craig234]

I think Biden would make the best president. But he's not a good debater, he sometimes says goofy things, he's dropping in the polls and is probably almost done for.

It might make you feel better to think the reason is Biden's debating, but that's not it. It's that his centrist policies - yours also - are less popular than Bernie's. You seem also to be ignoring my point about why Warren targeted Bloomberg, that the attacks aren't only based on caring zero abour issues and facts, only going after '#1', but she did fine as well as attacking who deserved it.

Warren is in worst shape now than she was prior to the debate. Sanders is in better shape as number two was taken down a peg or two. That's how I see this. These are facts. The numbers show them as so.

The Hill's Campaign Report: Warren up, Bloomberg down after brutal debate | TheHill

 

[Craig234]

How many times do you want to go down that road? From an earlier reply to you, to the same question.

Thanks President …

… OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Irwin Corey]

Name one Obama policy that helped the economy.

President Obama's Economic Policies and Accomplishments

Not ONE; eleven (11). Read em and weep.

Name one tRump policy that helped the economy. His tax bill has put us trillions further in debt, after inheriting a robust growing economy (as opposed to President Obama inheriting the worst economy in nearly 100 years). tRump's trade wars have been devastating to rural AmeriCANs. His boarder wall has taken money for military childrens schools and education. tRump has a Shidus touch, everything and everyone he touches turns to ****.

 

[apdst]

President Obama's Economic Policies and Accomplishments

Not ONE; eleven (11). Read em and weep.

Name one tRump policy that helped the economy. His tax bill has put us trillions further in debt, after inheriting a robust growing economy (as opposed to President Obama inheriting the worst economy in nearly 100 years). tRump's trade wars have been devastating to rural AmeriCANs. His boarder wall has taken money for military childrens schools and education. tRump has a Shidus touch, everything and everyone he touches turns to ****.

None of that created the economy we are enjoying, now.

 

[Perotista]

It might make you feel better to think the reason is Biden's debating, but that's not it. It's that his centrist policies - yours also - are less popular than Bernie's. You seem also to be ignoring my point about why Warren targeted Bloomberg, that the attacks aren't only based on caring zero abour issues and facts, only going after '#1', but she did fine as well as attacking who deserved it.



The Hill's Campaign Report: Warren up, Bloomberg down after brutal debate | TheHill

If you're Sanders supporter she did great. If you a Warren supporter, she didn't as she hurt herself. Most likely knocking her out of the nomination race. It's how one takes it. I'm looking at it as a race, whether or not a candidate helped or hurt themselves. Warren definitely hurt her chances to win the nomination, but she helped Sanders chances for him to win it. Is that difficult to understand?

Maybe that is exactly what she wanted to do since they are ideological twins more or less, I don't know. I'm not very ideological or not partisan, but election races interest the heck out of me. That's why I do my monthly election forecasts on this site.

 

[Craig234]

If you're Sanders supporter she did great. If you a Warren supporter, she didn't as she hurt herself. Most likely knocking her out of the nomination race. It's how one takes it. I'm looking at it as a race, whether or not a candidate helped or hurt themselves. Warren definitely hurt her chances to win the nomination, but she helped Sanders chances for him to win it. Is that difficult to understand?

She didn't HAVE effective attacks against Bernie to make. She DID against Bloomberg, she made them, and got a great reaction and a big boost in millions in donations. That's as good as she could have done. Is that difficult to understand?

 

[Irwin Corey]

None of that created the economy we are enjoying, now.

:2rofll: RIGHT!!! :2rofll:

If it wouldn't have been for the steady hand of President Obama the economy of the whole God Damn world would have went into free fall. If tRump would have been president, free fall, is exactly what would have happened. Anybody that can bankrupt a Casino couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the heal. As trump proves daily. trump would bankrupt a liquor store with a whore house out back in a mining town.

 

[Perotista]

She didn't HAVE effective attacks against Bernie to make. She DID against Bloomberg, she made them, and got a great reaction and a big boost in millions in donations. That's as good as she could have done. Is that difficult to understand?

If your goal isn't winning the nomination, it certainly is.

 

[Craig234]

If your goal isn't winning the nomination, it certainly is.

If your goal IS winning the nomination, it certainly is. It's very tiresome with you and I don't plan to respond on this again.

 

[apdst]

:2rofll: RIGHT!!! :2rofll:

If it wouldn't have been for the steady hand of President Obama the economy of the whole God Damn world would have went into free fall. If tRump would have been president, free fall, is exactly what would have happened. Anybody that can bankrupt a Casino couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the heal. As trump proves daily. trump would bankrupt a liquor store with a whore house out back in a mining town.

That's exactly right.

 

[Irwin Corey]

That's exactly right.

Do you know how Fred Trump made 2 million dollars. He gave his son Donald 40 million and little Donny turned it in to two million making bad deals.

 

[Perotista]

If your goal IS winning the nomination, it certainly is. It's very tiresome with you and I don't plan to respond on this again.

You allowed the front runner to expand his lead. If that is what you had in mind as being good, then your right. But if you wanted to win by bringing the front runner down closer to you, it a waste.

 

[apdst]

Do you know how Fred Trump made 2 million dollars. He gave his son Donald 40 million and little Donny turned it in to two million making bad deals.

Irrelevant.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Irrelevant.

Everything I've said is true. It may be irrelevant to your defend trump at any cost paradigm but it's not irrelevant to the lack of discipline, preparedness, focus … the lack ethical mooring and moral compass our president has. It's true that occasionally a man completely lacking any redeeming underpinnings accomplishes something worthwhile; but it's rare.

Through out his life trump has never made the hard choices of self development, he's always taken the expedient way out. Only through bluff and bluster has he gotten where he is, he's conned his way to the top. But now that he has the country is stuck with a leader devoid of any qualification to lead. Any other person would be humbled by the overwhelming trust he's been given by millions of people like … YOU … and listened to the advice of quality people that were there in place to help him be successful. But this narccissistic melomaniac has taken that trust and used it to enrich himself, promote his equally unqualified family, use his office to defraud the American people … at every opportunity.

Rather than rise to the office of President of The United States he's drug that office down to his level of grab and go while the getting is good way of living. He has been bankrupt financially many times but power has shown a spotlight on his moral bankruptcy. He's dragging the greatest Nation, ever to exist down, betraying those that support him and defrauding all AmeriCANs at a frantic unimaginable pace.

His claims to be really smart, that he is a success and all the other lies he spews … constantly … that he took his fathers money and built an empire when in fact he lost nearly all of it on bad deals and drug good people down in the process is hes most relevant lie because it displays for all to see that he has no clue how to make our America Great, now or ever. It was GREAT and now, after just three years of his presidency, it truly does need to be made GREAT AGAIN.

 

[Middle_Ground]

I'm against swapping one socialism for another. It's kind of like having children. You can't just cave in to whatever children want and just give it to them. That's what the Democratic socialists want. They want to just give everything to everyone. It's like giving children the right to vote and vote for whatever they want. Of course they want everything for free and don't want to work for it. Just give me anything and everything I want for free. Children shouldn't be allowed to vote. It would destroy our country. That's who Bernie supporters are, a bunch of children who want whatever they want now. They don't want to have to earn it. They don't want to have to work for it. They just want it given to them and they're perfectly willing to steal if from the rich. Everyone loves the story of Robin Hood. Sounds good but in practice it doesn't work.

Leftists always make the mistake of thinking that the economy is a zero sum game. In order for the poorer to be better off they think we have to steal it from the rich. It doesn't have to be that way. It hasn't been that way. The standard of living of the poor has gone up exponentially for centuries. The poor's standard of living always goes up. A poor person today is far better off than a poor person was in 1920 who's standard of living was much better off than in 1820, 1720, and so on. It's all about jealousy that leftists believe the rich's standard of living rises faster than the poorer's standard of living and they just can't stand it. Never mind the fact that the poor are always better off than they were. They always think that when one end of the teeter tawter goes up the other end has to come down. It's just a liberal lie.

I don't think any sane person wants everything for free. However it would be nice if this generation and the generations to come had the same hope and chance that previous generations had. I see nothing wrong with that I'm sorry you do. This is the first generation in American history that will not do as well as the previous.
The wealthy should pay more simply because they have more, no other reason. It's kinda strange when we were building the country tax rates were upwards of 40% + now taxation is some kind of boogie man. Someday someone somewhere will say ummm we can't keep lowering taxes and spending more and expect things to magically get better.

 

[Middle_Ground]

I've made a few posts about how Christie and other Republicans in the GOP NH primary debate all jumped on Rubio who was number two at the point. Leaving the front runner alone, Trump. Going after number two cemented number one's status as the front runner, never to be brought back to pack. Christie and Company guaranteed Trump the nomination by giving him a pass while attacking number two.

Back to the Democratic Nevada primary debate where Warren attacked number two Bloomberg while giving the front runner, the number one a pass. Sanders then proceeded to crush the pack in the Nevada caucuses and took his front runner status to a new high. Like Trump after NH, there may be no catching of Sanders. The similarities are all too familiar.

How does one back in the pack think they're going to draw the front runner back to them by attacking number two? That doesn't happen. I equated Warren's attack on number two Bloomberg while totally ignoring Sanders to baseball. It was like going into a week 10 games out of first, 8 games out of second. Then you beat the heck out of number two while leaving the leader along. At the end of the week, you're only 4 games out of second, but 12 games behind the leader. You're in much worse shape than when the week first began even though you took number two down a peg or two, you strengthen number one's status and find yourself further behind.

Like Trump owes Christie for his NH primary debate performance in placing him in a position where no one could stop him, Sanders may own the same type of debt to Warren. There's probably is no stopping him. Too early to put Sanders name in pen and ink as the democratic nominee. But I certainly have penciled him in. I am keeping my eraser handy, but I don't think I'll need it.

You might be right, you might be wrong. I don't know all I know is I will vote for whoever comes out as them dem nominee no matter how battered they are. Trump coming into 2016 election was so battered and bruised it was crazy to think anyone would vote for him. But they did and and many still support him. Republicans fell in line. I'm gonna fall online to this November no matter what

 

[Middle_Ground]

Thing is, Bernie is 'the middle'. The country has been far right.

I don't consider Bernie middle of/on anything. I do agree the country has stretched really right almost to the breaking point hopefully the snap back doesn't hurt to much.

 

[Craig234]

I don't consider Bernie middle of/on anything. I do agree the country has stretched really right almost to the breaking point hopefully the snap back doesn't hurt to much.

Well, Bernie is the middle. There is no move back from the far right without him.

 

[Middle_Ground]

Well, Bernie is the middle. There is no move back from the far right without him.

Okay we'll just have to disagree on that.

 

[Moderate Right]

I don't think any sane person wants everything for free. However it would be nice if this generation and the generations to come had the same hope and chance that previous generations had. I see nothing wrong with that I'm sorry you do. This is the first generation in American history that will not do as well as the previous.
The wealthy should pay more simply because they have more, no other reason. It's kinda strange when we were building the country tax rates were upwards of 40% + now taxation is some kind of boogie man. Someday someone somewhere will say ummm we can't keep lowering taxes and spending more and expect things to magically get better.

That's the same bull**** line they have been saying since the caveman days. Life isn't fair. Never has been. It never will be. In caveman days it was survival of the fittest. Democratic policies keep people in a constant cycle of poverty generation after generation after generation because there is no incentive to make yourself better. In fact the incentive is, sit there and do nothing and we'll give you free things. We'll raise you minimum wage and you don't have to do anything for it. And, when your kids grow up, we'll give them free things. And so on and so on.

I'm jealous of the rich too. I'm jealous of all the billionaires. I'm jealous of all of the millionaires. I'm jealous of sports superstars and celebrities who seem to have gotten the lucky breaks. I'm jealous of people who win the lottery. I look at the struggles in my life and wonder why Jeff Bezos can use hundred dollar bills for toilet paper and I can't. Why can't he give me a measly 100K to improve my life, like he'd actually miss it? But, life has never been fair, it is not fair now, and it never will be fair. Jeff Bezos owes me nothing. He doesn't owe anyone anything. Neither does anyone on so-called Wall Street. Neither does anyone who won 100 million dollars in the lottery while I've been playing for decades, never winning more than about one hundred. If Democrats have any ideas to help people permanently out of their holes then I'm more than happy to listen but those ideas never expand beyond giving these people free things. When the free things run out they are right back to where they started from unless the solution is to keep on giving them free things and their kids free things and their grandkids free things.

 

[Middle_Ground]

That's the same bull**** line they have been saying since the caveman days. Life isn't fair. Never has been. It never will be. In caveman days it was survival of the fittest. Democratic policies keep people in a constant cycle of poverty generation after generation after generation because there is no incentive to make yourself better. In fact the incentive is, sit there and do nothing and we'll give you free things. We'll raise you minimum wage and you don't have to do anything for it. And, when your kids grow up, we'll give them free things. And so on and so on.

I'm jealous of the rich too. I'm jealous of all the billionaires. I'm jealous of all of the millionaires. I'm jealous of sports superstars and celebrities who seem to have gotten the lucky breaks. I'm jealous of people who win the lottery. I look at the struggles in my life and wonder why Jeff Bezos can use hundred dollar bills for toilet paper and I can't. Why can't he give me a measly 100K to improve my life, like he'd actually miss it? But, life has never been fair, it is not fair now, and it never will be fair. Jeff Bezos owes me nothing. He doesn't owe anyone anything. Neither does anyone on so-called Wall Street. Neither does anyone who won 100 million dollars in the lottery while I've been playing for decades, never winning more than about one hundred. If Democrats have any ideas to help people permanently out of their holes then I'm more than happy to listen but those ideas never expand beyond giving these people free things. When the free things run out they are right back to where they started from unless the solution is to keep on giving them free things and their kids free things and their grandkids free things.

Wow.
All I'm gonna say is I'm not one of the young people but I have been watching them.
Good union jobs out the window
Affordable advanced education out the window
One paycheck paying the bills out the window.
Healthcare with those good union jobs not requiring advanced education out the window.
I see there point.
You see free they want everything handed to them I see a severe deinvestment happening since the 70's.
Back in the 60's 70's even part of the 80's you could get a job struggle thru go to college or vocational school and live a pretty decent life.
Sorry but educational costs at 300%+ increase and few decent jobs available without some degree out there.
How about we go back to earlier numbers of investment into higher education, so people can actually pay their way thru school.
I'm not jealous of the rich. It sounds like common sense to me you have more you pay more.

I watched a friend a few years ago pay 23k to go to school for 18months to get a medical tech certificate. She was working $8 bucks an hour. She could have gone to the local community college part time for 3 years and about 10k, she felt the additional year would have left her eventually homeless. She went from $8 an hour to $15 but now she had 17k in debt.
How much was a lpn degree in 70's, 80's?
These are taxpayers they are not getting anything for free.

 

[iguanaman]

Yes it is. I am not sure if it is eerie or not. I personally thought Bernie would have done better than Clinton in the presidential election.

If this goes to the convention without a clear winner, oh man is that scenario going to look messy.

Honestly, the longer Bernie rallies the masses and collects the small donor dollars, the harder it is going to be for his followers to accept his second toppling. The question is, will they all sit home and pout?

That is the threat and it looks like there is a good chance that the Bernie bots are going to responsible for electing Trump TWICE. No wonder Trump is telling Republicans to vote for him in the primary in S. Carolina. Sanders is a gift to Trump and the Alt. Right fascists. Even Russia is helping Bernie now.

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof

Republicans: Want to reelect Trump? Vote for Bernie | TheHill

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

"FREE"
"FREE STUFF!!"

"Democrats want everything given to them for free"

What free stuff are we talking about?
Free healthcare? Free college? Free childcare?

Let's talk about childcare, just to get a handle on this.

Not free. He's not giving it away. People will be paying for their childcare and pre-K, the way it gets paid for in every country where it is offered.
When people use buzz words like "free" and "free stuff", they're channeling private sector lobbyist guru Frank Luntz, who has taught cons "how to talk to Americans".

Quite a few Americans are and HAVE BEEN arranging for childcare and pre-K for decades. They slice of generous portions of their weekly pay and hand it right over.

U.S. Parents Are Sweating And Hustling To Pay For Child Care

After their mortgage — which is about 20 percent of their combined take-home pay — child care is the family's biggest expense. In fact, the cost of their youngest child's day care alone — $660 a month — is more than half the family's monthly mortgage payment.

Some even have to take on a second job just to pay for their childcare and pre-K.
Think of it, a job to pay for the ability to have a different and separate job. A job that pays for them to have the ability to have a job.

That's why, several times a month — after he works a full day, coaches football after school, helps feed and bathe the kids before tucking them into bed — Mike heads out and spends a few more hours driving for Uber.

I can't believe that the concept of not charging at the point of delivery is so difficult to understand. When you pay your taxes, some of it goes to fund childcare and pre-K, thus any working parent simply enrolls their child and then they are able to just go to work and come home every day.

Frank Luntz ought to get a royalty check every time another person mutters "free stuff".
After all, he invented that talking point, along with "Death Panels" and "unplugging grandma".

 

[iguanaman]

That's the same bull**** line they have been saying since the caveman days. Life isn't fair. Never has been. It never will be. In caveman days it was survival of the fittest. Democratic policies keep people in a constant cycle of poverty generation after generation after generation because there is no incentive to make yourself better. In fact the incentive is, sit there and do nothing and we'll give you free things. We'll raise you minimum wage and you don't have to do anything for it. And, when your kids grow up, we'll give them free things. And so on and so on.

I'm jealous of the rich too. I'm jealous of all the billionaires. I'm jealous of all of the millionaires. I'm jealous of sports superstars and celebrities who seem to have gotten the lucky breaks. I'm jealous of people who win the lottery. I look at the struggles in my life and wonder why Jeff Bezos can use hundred dollar bills for toilet paper and I can't. Why can't he give me a measly 100K to improve my life, like he'd actually miss it? But, life has never been fair, it is not fair now, and it never will be fair. Jeff Bezos owes me nothing. He doesn't owe anyone anything. Neither does anyone on so-called Wall Street. Neither does anyone who won 100 million dollars in the lottery while I've been playing for decades, never winning more than about one hundred. If Democrats have any ideas to help people permanently out of their holes then I'm more than happy to listen but those ideas never expand beyond giving these people free things. When the free things run out they are right back to where they started from unless the solution is to keep on giving them free things and their kids free things and their grandkids free things.

Society and laws were invented to keep the strong from taking advantage of the weak. We live in the 21st century not "the cave man days". Giving the weak and poor a leg up is what created our middle class out of the ashes of the great Depression. You think Govt. keeps people in poverty? Greed keeps people in poverty and if Govt. does not step in to curb it 90% of us will go back to serfdom.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

I'm not. As an ex-Republican, I held up hope almost until the bitter end that Trump would not be the nominee. But he was.

It's over. Bernie is the only one still in the race who can afford to go on. Sure, Bloomberg has money too, but Bernie's partner, Elizabeth Warren, took him out.

It's done. Donnie vs. Bernie, 2020. Donnie will win in a landslide.

How is Donnie going to win when Bernie will beat him in the Rust Belt among union voters and White working-class voters? Bernie is a far bigger shake up to the establishment than Trump was.