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De Javu...I am feeling an eerie sense of dejavu

Moderate Right said:
I already told you. They don't just pick names out of a hat. They don't go on emotions like you do. They look at the facts they look at because they do this for a living.
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You didn’t answer the question. What are these gamblers basing their hunches on? Anything you can point to specifically?
 
Cardinal said:
You didn’t answer the question. What are these gamblers basing their hunches on? Anything you can point to specifically?
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I don't know. You'd have to ask them. Surely you don't deny that people who risk billions and billions of dollars handicapping events, including politics, use a lot of data to do their handicapping, do you?
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't know. You'd have to ask them. Surely you don't deny that people who risk billions and billions of dollars handicapping events, including politics, use a lot of data to do their handicapping, do you?
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Right. Nothing. So your source is people you don’t know who are basing their hunches on...nothing.
 
Cardinal said:
Right. Nothing. So your source is people you don’t know who are basing their hunches on...nothing.
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Is that really what you believe, that people in charge of billions and billions of dollars in gambling revenues, use no data to handicapp the things they bet on?
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm against swapping one socialism for another. It's kind of like having children. You can't just cave in to whatever children want and just give it to them. That's what the Democratic socialists want. They want to just give everything to everyone. It's like giving children the right to vote and vote for whatever they want. Of course they want everything for free and don't want to work for it. Just give me anything and everything I want for free. Children shouldn't be allowed to vote. It would destroy our country. That's who Bernie supporters are, a bunch of children who want whatever they want now. They don't want to have to earn it. They don't want to have to work for it. They just want it given to them and they're perfectly willing to steal if from the rich. Everyone loves the story of Robin Hood. Sounds good but in practice it doesn't work.

Leftists always make the mistake of thinking that the economy is a zero sum game. In order for the poorer to be better off they think we have to steal it from the rich. It doesn't have to be that way. It hasn't been that way. The standard of living of the poor has gone up exponentially for centuries. The poor's standard of living always goes up. A poor person today is far better off than a poor person was in 1920 who's standard of living was much better off than in 1820, 1720, and so on. It's all about jealousy that leftists believe the rich's standard of living rises faster than the poorer's standard of living and they just can't stand it. Never mind the fact that the poor are always better off than they were. They always think that when one end of the teeter tawter goes up the other end has to come down. It's just a liberal lie.
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It has always been that way. You should read some history.
 
Moderate Right said:
Corrupt how? Can you please post proof other than the left's constant attacks and presumptions? Your opinions don't count. By the way, it is YOU who dodged.
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You claimed he is installing "deep state" in government. What did you mean?
 
Moderate Right said:
Is that really what you believe, that people in charge of billions and billions of dollars in gambling revenues, use no data to handicapp the things they bet on?
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Nobody’s stopping you from sharing that data with the rest of the class.
 
j brown's body said:
You claimed he is installing "deep state" in government. What did you mean?
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He is putting his own people in place, people who will thwart a new Democratic president, just as Obama's people have tried to thwart Trump.
 
Moderate Right said:
He is putting his own people in place, people who will thwart a new Democratic president, just as Obama's people have tried to thwart Trump.
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You have provided no evidence that this is the case for either one if them.

We have watched Trump fire civil servants who testified to his effort to extort Ukraine. At least one, he hired himself!

That's two examples of Trump's corruption in one sentence
 
Middle_Ground said:
The 2020 democratic primary is shaping up too similar to what the Republican primaries looked like in 16.

Anyone else have this eerie feeling?
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I've made a few posts about how Christie and other Republicans in the GOP NH primary debate all jumped on Rubio who was number two at the point. Leaving the front runner alone, Trump. Going after number two cemented number one's status as the front runner, never to be brought back to pack. Christie and Company guaranteed Trump the nomination by giving him a pass while attacking number two.

Back to the Democratic Nevada primary debate where Warren attacked number two Bloomberg while giving the front runner, the number one a pass. Sanders then proceeded to crush the pack in the Nevada caucuses and took his front runner status to a new high. Like Trump after NH, there may be no catching of Sanders. The similarities are all too familiar.

How does one back in the pack think they're going to draw the front runner back to them by attacking number two? That doesn't happen. I equated Warren's attack on number two Bloomberg while totally ignoring Sanders to baseball. It was like going into a week 10 games out of first, 8 games out of second. Then you beat the heck out of number two while leaving the leader along. At the end of the week, you're only 4 games out of second, but 12 games behind the leader. You're in much worse shape than when the week first began even though you took number two down a peg or two, you strengthen number one's status and find yourself further behind.

Like Trump owes Christie for his NH primary debate performance in placing him in a position where no one could stop him, Sanders may own the same type of debt to Warren. There's probably is no stopping him. Too early to put Sanders name in pen and ink as the democratic nominee. But I certainly have penciled him in. I am keeping my eraser handy, but I don't think I'll need it.
 
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Middle_Ground said:
Yeah right now I feel like where on the pirate ship at the county fair swing really far right everyone screams, really far left everyone screams eventually it settles in the middle and everyone calmly gets off hopefully that can happen in my lifetime.
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Thing is, Bernie is 'the middle'. The country has been far right.
 
Perotista said:
I've made a few posts about how Christie and other Republicans in the GOP NH primary debate all jumped on Rubio who was number two at the point. Leaving the front runner alone, Trump. Going after number two cemented number one's status as the front runner, never to be brought back to pack. Christie and Company guaranteed Trump the nomination by giving him a pass while attacking number two.
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And let's remember how that went. Christie was reward with leading the transition team and was being looked at for a top position. Then Jared complained how Christie as US Attorney had very properly convicted his father, and trump fired Christie. Buh bye, you upheld the law, screw you. And yet Christie still is a hack for trump.

Back to the Democratic Nevada primary debate where Warren attacked number two Bloomberg while giving the front runner, the number one a pass. Sanders then proceeded to crush the pack in the Nevada caucuses and took his front runner status to a new high. Like Trump after NH, there may be no catching of Sanders. The similarities are all too familiar.
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First of all, Warren greatly prefers progressive Sanders to plutocrat Bloomberg. Second, she attacked who deserve it. The attacks were based on the facts. They weren't equally deserving, Bernie didn't have those NDAs with women. You just don't like her choice. Thirdly, she couldn't have brought down Bernie if she tried - which she did before.
 
Craig234 said:
And let's remember how that went. Christie was reward with leading the transition team and was being looked at for a top position. Then Jared complained how Christie as US Attorney had very properly convicted his father, and trump fired Christie. Buh bye, you upheld the law, screw you. And yet Christie still is a hack for trump.



First of all, Warren greatly prefers progressive Sanders to plutocrat Bloomberg. Second, she attacked who deserve it. The attacks were based on the facts. They weren't equally deserving, Bernie didn't have those NDAs with women. You just don't like her choice. Thirdly, she couldn't have brought down Bernie if she tried - which she did before.
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I agree Warren is toast, perhaps she realized that and just wanted to help Sander out. which she did.
 
Perotista said:
I agree Warren is toast, perhaps she realized that and just wanted to help Sander out. which she did.
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Maybe she's just running as well as she can, and told the truth. You are fixated on 'choosing targets' being an entirely political decision, and facts having nothing to do with it. Your bias for Bloomberg over Bernie appears to blind you to the facts and issues.
 
Cardinal said:
Those aren’t links to the data they use.
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I'm just trying to get you to admit that the experts who do this for a living are picking Trump as the favorite. Can you acknowledge this? Do you think they just picked Trump's name out of a hat?
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm just trying to get you to admit that the experts who do this for a living are picking Trump as the favorite. Can you acknowledge this? Do you think they just picked Trump's name out of a hat?
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Political gamblers are just jackasses who make bets based on the news and the polling, like anybody else. If they weren't gambling on politics, they'd be gambling on races, the Superbowl and blackjack. It doesn't make them experts; it makes them people who like to gamble.
 
apdst said:
Y'all don't have much to choose from. Even if the Democrat nominee wins the general, he 's going to has **** things up like a monkey **** fight at the zoo.
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You've, almost, just describe the tRump presidency to date.
 
Craig234 said:
Maybe she's just running as well as she can, and told the truth. You are fixated on 'choosing targets' being an entirely political decision, and facts having nothing to do with it. Your bias for Bloomberg over Bernie appears to blind you to the facts and issues.
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I don't have a horse in this race. I'm not a Democrat nor a Republican. Never have been either. I haven't given Bloomberg hardly a thought. But I do follow history. The Similarities between the GOP NH debate in 2016 and the Democratic Debate a couple of days ago are very close. Both went after number two instead of going after number one or the front runner. In both the front runner came out much stronger than when either one first went into the debate. The GOP NH debate cemented Trump's path to the nomination. The recent Democratic debate in Nevada could have done the same for Sanders.

Now if you want to think of me as a Bloomberg man, that's fine with me. But if given a choice, I'd much rather have Biden or Amy Klobuchar. Of all the Democratic candidates running for the presidency, I think Biden would make the best president. But he's not a good debater, he sometimes says goofy things, he's dropping in the polls and is probably almost done for.

The one thing I noticed is that both Trump and Sanders supporters are awful touchy. Even talking about history can set them off. My, my. It's a fact with a proven history that one doesn't get back in the game, the race by attacking number two. Now you can take that anyway you like. Warren is in worst shape now than she was prior to the debate. Sanders is in better shape as number two was taken down a peg or two. That's how I see this. These are facts. The numbers show them as so.
 
apdst said:
How do you explain the best economy in 50 years?
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How many times do you want to go down that road? From an earlier reply to you, to the same question.

Thanks President …

… OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Deja vu? Must be a glitch in The Matrix.

*sigh* Okay...what'd the Matrix change?
 
Irwin Corey said:
How many times do you want to go down that road? From an earlier reply to you, to the same question.

Thanks President …

… OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Name one Obama policy that helped the economy.
 
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