D.C. Sued over Black Lives Matter Painted on City Streets

[jotathought]

Quote me saying just that..... - that city government can do whatever it wants.

Sure they can, and some of their actions can open opportunities for others to express themselves. If the government rejects First Amendment opinions, viewpoints and expressions based on the precedent they set .. it is wrong. This tactic was not presented for a vote .. it was ordered by the mayor through executive channels.

 

[Airyaman]

The streets do not belong to the city. They belong to the taxpayers. Taxpayer funded infrastructure is not intended for political messaging. Since the moronic mayor of DC suddenly chose to allow such, then she must also allow others to do political messaging on the streets as well.

If the street needs repair, are the people (taxpayers) going to do the work, or does the city?

 

[Mason66]

Actually, I'm gonna go ahead and support this. I think the motto is great, to be honest, and one that BLM would 100% get behind, if they were wise - in fact, they should wait for the paint to dry, then, since D.C.'s roads are fast becoming the next Louvre, they should add "INCLUDING ****ING COPS" directly after.

Yeah, I'm all for this, yes, they should be allowed to paint this message.

When the law says the police cannot be prosecuted for most actions while in uniform, that wouldn't have the affect you want.

 

[Mason66]

For those interested in the racism allegation, Larry klayman, who founded judicial watch, was a birther who sued to have obama deported.

Can anyone postulate a non racist reason to question Obama's birthplace?

Larry Klayman - Wikipedia

Obama's own book saying he was born in another country.

Why do people like you think questioning where the man was born based on the man's own words is racist?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Quite the opposite. If Judicial Watch wants the same right as BLM to paint their message, let them pay in blood like BLM has.

What blood? Blacks getting killed in confrontation with cops? How about the blood of blacks killed in the inner cities by other blacks? The blacks killed in confrontations are almost exclusively justified, just as they are with whites killed in confrontations with cops. In 2019, roughly 55% of those killed by cops were white. Less then 30% were black. Why not look at the root of the confrontations(hint-poverty) rather then pushing the false narrative that all of those killed in confrontations with cops are murder victims?

 

[Mason66]

I agree with you but if the mayor allows things luke "Black lives matter" and "defund the police" to be painted on the street, what possible grounds can she have for not allowing judical watch to paint the street too. Do you think its acceptable for a mayor to base that decission on partisanship?

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What would have happened if the Mayor had painted "Blue Lives Matter"?

What would the reaction be here?

 

[Mason66]

because there are qualifications to make one eligible for president. if someone thinks those qualifications have not been met, they would question the person;s birthplace. questioning the person;s birthplace in that instance , is not automatically racist.

"In order to be eligible to serve as president, a person must either have been born on U.S. soil or (if born overseas) to at least one parent who is a citizen. "

I never understood questioning his birthplace, even though he said in hos book he was born in another country.

His mother was an American citizen and for that he was eligible.

The same holds true for McCain and Cruz.

 

[trouble13]

By painting words on the street did the city make the surface of the streets a public forum?

Yes

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[Mason66]

You really don't have a clue of which you speak, yet you do it so confidently. I find that fascinating.

There are too many people that are arrogant about their ignorance.

 

[BlueTex]

The mayor os going to have to explain her reasons to a judge

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The judge is going to tell the city what they can paint in their roads ?

 

[Mason66]

Where this is painted in Washington DC the street is named Black Lives Matter... Now, what do you think the city will argue?

How did a street get named "Black Lives Matter"?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Yes, founded by the southerners of the Democratic Party of the distant past, who are now Republicans.

That is a left wing canard. The founders of the KKK which were democrats are not alive today to be republicans. And the suggestion that the majority of democrats pushing segregation and racism in the past switched parties is false. The majority of the so-called dixiecrats were welcomed back into the democrat party. One of them was none other then Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, a former member of the KKK who held the titles of Grand Cyclops and Kleagle in the organization. Both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden at one time claimed him as a friend and mentor. Only three of those dixiecrats went to the republican party.

 

[Irredentist]

You have it all wrong. The problem in the inner cities is not restricted to blacks. There are whites, hispanics, orientals, etc, living under the same conditions. The problem is decades of establishment politicians pandering to the citizens in those areas but doing nothing other then offering endless welfare entitlements and only minimally basic healthcare under medicaid. They are doing nothing to solve the generational poverty issues. Do you plan to use the legacy of the past until the end of time? You are in effect selling minorities short. You are suggesting that they are incapable of changing their plight.

So, you are suggesting that African Americans are held down by oppressive politicians, who do not address their particular needs and concerns?

To me, that sounds exactly like the continuing legacy of racism.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Look forward to you eating those words in November.

You mean like you had to eat your words in 2016? I still recall the constant chants of "Get used to the term "Madame President Hillary". Unlike you, I do not count my chickens until they hatch. In 2016, I did not claim to know that Trump would win as I was not sure he would. However I did not believe the polls at the time as they did not match what I was seeing on the ground. Trump was drawing massive crowds to his rallies. I attended two of them which drew crowds of at least 20,000. Hillary had to bus in college students from out of town to make it appear that she could fill a high school gymnasium. For comparison, in 2008, Obama was drawing massive crowds while McCain could not. If I were a betting man, I would bet on Trump winning in 2020 by a larger margin then 2016.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I never understood questioning his birthplace, even though he said in hos book he was born in another country.

His mother was an American citizen and for that he was eligible.

The same holds true for McCain and Cruz.

I was actually more interested in his Occidental College records. There was no question that he was an American citizen, born in Hawaii or not.

 

[BlueTex]

How did a street get named "Black Lives Matter"?

The mayor has the power to rename streets and so she did... All the maps have already been updated... Here is google maps...

 

[Mason66]

Black Lives Matter is not an government entity any more then Judicial Watch. Black Lives matter is in fact a domestic terrorist organization as it promotes killing cops as well as burning and looting.
How would you feel if the KKK were honored by some city painting white supremacy messages on public streets?

Since the Democrats invited the BLM leaders up to speak at their last convention, they are going to have a hard time arguing they are not a political organization.

 

[diz]

Technically "Black Lives Matter" is not a political message.

Riiiight. Good luck with that argument in court.

 

[Mason66]

The mayor has the power to rename streets and so she did... All the maps have already been updated... Here is google maps...

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I thought the trend was to not upset anybody with names or statues or the like.

Was that not considered when naming this street?

 

[Irredentist]

Riiiight. Good luck with that argument in court.

Why wait til court? Let's argue right here. Or are you scared you'll lose?

What is political about saying "Black Lives matter"?

 

[diz]

The judge is going to tell the city what they can paint in their roads ?

The judge is going to tell the city they can't engage in viewpoint discrimination. If the city streets are to be used for expressive messaging, they may not restrict groups from messaging based on the content of their message.

Well, at least that's what judges have said before in similar cases. Maybe DC will spend huge amounts of taxpayer money to set a new precedent that reduces our first amendment rights.

Yay?

Anyway, it's not like you'll wish those rights still existed when a guy like Trump becomes President or anything.

 

[diz]

Why wait til court? Let's argue right here. Or are you scared you'll lose?

What is political about saying "Black Lives matter"?

You should ask Captain Obvious.

Also, it's a meaningless point. Nothing says the message has to be "political", though in this case it obviously is. The city can't favor any message over any other message. See case I cited earlier.

If you let the Librarians post pro-Library messages, you must let the KKK post pro-KKK messages.

The city can't favor one viewpoint over others.

Viewpoint Discrimination | The First Amendment Encyclopedia

 

[lurchadams]

Once again, peaceful protesters not not being gassed or shot. Maybe you cannot personally tell the difference between someone simply holding a protest sign or one throwing rocks and bottles at Police and burning and looting local businesses.

Today on my way to the store I came upon a BLM March. There must've been over 200 people, almost all of them white. It's so great to see empathetic people trying to put an end to your barbaric way of thinking.

 

[Irredentist]

You should ask Captain Obvious.

Also, it's a meaningless point. Nothing says the message has to be "political", though in this case it obviously is. The city can't favor any message over any other message. See case I cited earlier.

If you let the Librarians post pro-Library messages, you must let the KKK post pro-KKK messages.

The city can't favor one viewpoint over others.

Of course it can. The city does clearly favor one viewpoint over others, as it should. The city should not grant equal status to the KKK as it does to librarians, or to BLM. The KKK openly advocates a message of white supremacy, and the City has a vested interest in not allowing such a message of hate to be propagated, or used to intimidate their citizens.

 

[BlueTex]

You should ask Captain Obvious.

Also, it's a meaningless point. Nothing says the message has to be "political", though in this case it obviously is. The city can't favor any message over any other message. See case I cited earlier.

If you let the Librarians post pro-Library messages, you must let the KKK post pro-KKK messages.

The city can't favor one viewpoint over others.

Viewpoint Discrimination | The First Amendment Encyclopedia

The city isn't allowing other groups, the CITY painted the street.