couldn't happen to a more deserving organization

[TurtleDude]

ah, somebody sleeps better at night pretending that the only individuals who have access to firearms are wholesome people who would not abuse their access to those weapons
that's why our nation has a gun problem unlike any place this side of somalia

the war on drugs has proven that criminals will always be able to get what they want. The attitudes of anti gunners towards legal gun owners and groups that advocate legal gun ownership proves that crime control is not what motivates the anti gunners.

 

[justabubba]

That's just it, you wouldn't be preventing anything. Crazy will always find a way. Gun control is just that; control of the masses by those in power.

we haven't even begun monitoring for those with mental issues
even sell to those on the terrorism watch list
failing to implement sound gun controls is for the stupid among us

 

[TurtleDude]

clearly, your side could give a **** about gun carnage, which leaves my side to try to do something about it

that is a dishonest argument. You all claim that unless we support harassing lawful gun owners, we are in favor or don't care about gun violence. It would be akin to a group that demands criminalization of homosexual relationships, accusing those who oppose that ban, as not caring about the spread of AIDS.

 

[mrjurrs]

:lamo

To the contrary. Your side is only invested in attacking law abiding citizen gun owners and evil scary guns. Your side doesnt give the first **** about the 9000+ dead bodies killed by violent criminals. Hell...your side rushes to excuse them...to justify them...or worse...just straight up ignores them. Your side doesnt give the first **** about ANYONE or anything...but using the occasional instance to further your political agenda. Your side LOVES dragging the dead bodies of children around to use them as props for your anti-gun measures. You **** on gun owners and you **** on the Constitution.

The BEST part about it is that you have at least finally shown yourself for what you are. You will support the Feinstein gun bans and shout to the rooftops that there ARE no attempts to 'ban guns'...because they will still 'let' you have single shot and double barrel shotguns and revolvers.

Lots of capitals, far fewer facts. Where does the 9,000 dead people come from?

 

[TurtleDude]

we haven't even begun monitoring for those with mental issues
even sell to those on the terrorism watch list
failing to implement sound gun controls is for the stupid among us

what are the ways people get on that "terrorism watch list"? do you know that Senator Ted Kennedy was on that list once.

 

[TurtleDude]

Lots of capitals, far fewer facts. Where does the 9,000 dead people come from?

at least 80% are people banned from owning firearms by state and federal law-killing others-and most of those killed are those engaged in criminal activity as well

 

[justabubba]

:lamo

Again...horse****...but thanks for proving the point. You literally dont give a **** about the 9000+ dead people killed by violent felons. You dont care about gun violence. You care about promoting bans...hell you even admit it...and now you want to pretend you care about 'crazies'?

You dont give a **** about 'crazies', any more than you care about violent crime. Its all just an excuse for you to support the anti gun agenda. Even your ridiculous proposals prove you not only dont care about 'crazies' but you have no real grasp or understanding of current law and how it effectively accomplishes the exact same goals you pretend to care about.

i have told you what motivates my desire to smartly implement and enforce gun controls
that's a very reasonable position
which is why you refuse to debate it
instead you insist my motivations are other than what i describe them to be ... as if you know better than me what i think
turtledude is another of your rank, who does the same only because he, like you, cannot argue against smart gun control. this thread is proof of it

 

[justabubba]

the war on drugs has proven that criminals will always be able to get what they want. The attitudes of anti gunners towards legal gun owners and groups that advocate legal gun ownership proves that crime control is not what motivates the anti gunners.

because gun control cannot achieve perfect results, you refuse to consider the good results of sound public policy

 

[justabubba]

that is a dishonest argument. You all claim that unless we support harassing lawful gun owners, we are in favor or don't care about gun violence. It would be akin to a group that demands criminalization of homosexual relationships, accusing those who oppose that ban, as not caring about the spread of AIDS.

no one is advocating the harassment of lawful gun owners
smart gun control is not an unreasonable expectation
that you and your cohort oppose the implementation of sound public policy in an attempt to mitigate the gun carnage of innocents speaks to your collective inability to place the possession of life above the possession of guns

 

[VanceMack]

i have told you what motivates my desire to smartly implement and enforce gun controls
that's a very reasonable position
which is why you refuse to debate it
instead you insist my motivations are other than what i describe them to be ... as if you know better than me what i think
turtledude is another of your rank, who does the same only because he, like you, cannot argue against smart gun control. this thread is proof of it

You absolutely did...in the previous thread you admitted your motives are to support gun bans. And you absolutely ignore gun violence...admittedly. PROUDLY. Because you dont give a **** about stopping violent crime.

Debate? Hell Bubba...when have you ever 'debated' anything? All you do is make smarmy comments...this thread is a perfect example of it. You and people like you hate the NRA for one reason and one reason alone...they stand in the way of your support of gun bans.

You want to debate? Great...lets debate. You say you care about preventing 'crazy' people from firearm ownership. How would you prevent that? It is already against the law for mentally ill individuals to purchase firearms. Now leftists propose 'red flag laws'. Do you support those? Is THAT your line of defense against 'crazies'?

 

[TurtleDude]

because gun control cannot achieve perfect results, you refuse to consider the good results of sound public policy

there is nothing good about laws that are designed to harass lawful gun ownership so Democrats can pretend they have done something about "violent crime" while not upsetting one of their main constituent groups.

 

[apdst]

the NRA represents the gun manufacturers
their motivation is to make the gun market as large as possible to enrich the gun manufacturers
unfortunately, that allows guns to be placed in the hands of those who kill the innocent
consequently, there is another view needed to counter that of the gun manufacturers, to try to prevent guns from being available to those who are inclined to kill and maim
that avoiding killing and maiming is the agenda of those who oppose the direction of the NRA

Where do you think gun owners get their guns? :lamo

 

[justabubba]

what are the ways people get on that "terrorism watch list"? do you know that Senator Ted Kennedy was on that list once.

you insist you were a member of the department of justice and then you ask me about the workings of establishing a terrorism watch list
anyone else wonder what is wrong with that scenario?

 

[TurtleDude]

no one is advocating the harassment of lawful gun owners
smart gun control is not an unreasonable expectation
that you and your cohort oppose the implementation of sound public policy in an attempt to mitigate the gun carnage of innocents speaks to your collective inability to place the possession of life above the possession of guns

So you are claiming banning rifles that are used in less than 1.5% of all murders is not harassment?

you are claiming that forcing people who own firearms need to get licenses is not harassment?

you are claiming banning normal capacity magazines is not harassment?

it is already illegal for groups that have been adjudicated (or in some cases-merely indicted) to possess ANY type of modern firearm. It is already illegal to use a firearm in any way to harm an innocent person.

The attitude that we need to ban honest people from owning stuff so as to prevent those who already violated the laws and will continue to do so, from getting those items is idiotic

 

[TurtleDude]

you insist you were a member of the department of justice and then you ask me about the workings of establishing a terrorism watch list
anyone else wonder what is wrong with that scenario?

The point most people get is that there are all sorts of problems with that list and it doesn't meet the standards needed to deprive someone of a constitutional right.

 

[VanceMack]

Lots of capitals, far fewer facts. Where does the 9,000 dead people come from?

Annual FBI crime stats on gun related homicides.

The FBI further breaks down gun homicides by weapon type. Handguns have been consistently responsible for the majority of fatalities.

In 2016, there were 11,004 gun homicides (65% handguns, 6% rifle/shotgun, 30% other/unknown type)[81]
In 2014, there were 8,124 gun homicides (68% handguns, 6% rifle/shotgun, 25% other/unknown type).[12]
In 2010, there were 8,775 gun homicides (68% handguns, 8% rifle/shotgun, 23% other/unknown type).[15]
In 2001, there were 8,890 gun homicides (78% handguns, 10% rifle/shotguns, 12% other/unknown type).[82]

The Centers for Disease Control reports that there were 11,078 gun homicides in the U.S. in 2010.[14] This is higher than the FBI's count.

9000 is an average annual figure.

 

[justabubba]

Where do you think gun owners get their guns? :lamo

then we both agree that the purpose of the NRA is to lobby to expand the gun market on behalf of gun manufacturers

why did you think there was any question about that?

 

[apdst]

then we both agree that the purpose of the NRA is to lobby to expand the gun market on behalf of gun manufacturers

why did you think there was any question about that?

That helps gun owners just as much as gun manufacturers.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Celebrating almost a thousand people losing money or jobs because an organization is being economically devastated by the virus.

You are a real peach, dude.

It's always a good thing when corrupt organizations are taken down, esp. by their own doing.

I'm not surprised you have to pretend otherwise.

 

[justabubba]

So you are claiming banning rifles that are used in less than 1.5% of all murders is not harassment?

absolutely no harassment

you are claiming that forcing people who own firearms need to get licenses is not harassment?

absolutely no harassment

you are claiming banning normal capacity magazines is not harassment?

absolutely not harassment

it is already illegal for groups that have been adjudicated (or in some cases-merely indicted) to possess ANY type of modern firearm. It is already illegal to use a firearm in any way to harm an innocent person.

then why the opposition to identifying those who should not be eligible to own or possess a fire arm?

The attitude that we need to ban honest people from owning stuff so as to prevent those who already violated the laws and will continue to do so, from getting those items is idiotic

the motivation is to find ways to prevent gun carnage via sound public policy

 

[VanceMack]

then we both agree that the purpose of the NRA is to lobby to expand the gun market on behalf of gun manufacturers

why did you think there was any question about that?

How does ANY organization 'expand' a gun market where the Constitution provides law abiding citizens the right to keep and bear military grade firearms for the purpose of the defense of the free state? How is the defense of the 2nd Amendment rights extrapolated to 'expanding gun markets'?

 

[TurtleDude]

absolutely no harassment


absolutely no harassment


absolutely not harassment


then why the opposition to identifying those who should not be eligible to own or possess a fire arm?


the motivation is to find ways to prevent gun carnage via sound public policy

that is just repeating nonsense. You claim preventing millions of people who want to own a currently lawful product is not harassment. How can your argument be taken seriously?

And your claiming that such stupid laws are sound policy is a complete failure of proof.

 

[TurtleDude]

How does ANY organization 'expand' a gun market where the Constitution provides law abiding citizens the right to keep and bear military grade firearms for the purpose of the defense of the free state? How is the defense of the 2nd Amendment rights extrapolated to 'expanding gun markets'?

It appears the problem is this. Gun banners only pretend to say the problem is criminals with guns. Their real problem is lawful gun owners and the way we vote. That is the only thing that makes sense-the laws they want are designed to whittle away at lawful gun ownership

 

[justabubba]

that is just repeating nonsense. You claim preventing millions of people who want to own a currently lawful product is not harassment. How can your argument be taken seriously?

And your claiming that such stupid laws are sound policy is a complete failure of proof.

get back to me when you are able to counter my post

 

[TurtleDude]

get back to me when you are able to counter my post

the war on drugs proves my point. And how can anyone take seriously that banning people from being able to own things they have been able to own for 100 years, and continue to want to own, is not harassment.,