Corona in Europe - and also worldwide

[Infinite Chaos]

You failed at your duty to educate yourself...this is the main problem.

We who love Trump know what we are doing.

That reminds me, didn't you say you are one of the 5 greatest intellects on the forum?

We are blessed to have a Trump supporter showing his superiority on this humble little thread.

 

[german hick]

serious topic - but sometimes a little bit of humor is important ;o) :

She: do you think I got fat during the quarantine

He: You´ve never been really slim

time: 16:23
cause of death: Corona

 

[Infinite Chaos]

A serious coronavirus-related syndrome may be emerging in the UK, according to an “urgent alert” issued to doctors, following a rise in cases in the last two to three weeks, HSJ has learned.

“There is a growing concern that a [covid-19] related inflammatory syndrome is emerging in children in the UK, or that there may be another, as yet unidentified, infectious pathogen associated with these cases.” Little is known so far about the issue, nor how widespread it has been, but the absolute number of children affected is thought to be very small, according to paediatrics sources.

The syndrome has the characteristics of serious covid-19, but there have otherwise been relatively few cases of serious effects or deaths from coronavirus in children. Some of the children have tested positive for covid-19, and some appear to have had the virus in the past, but some have not.


Link.

This looks alarming - numbers are small and hopefully stay small if not stop.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Posting this series of articles here as the COVID-19 forum has become a US politics forum

Immunity Passports - problems and technicalities.

Is Coronavirus linked to Vitamin D deficiency?

Old NHS article on Vitamin D, sunlight and immunity - has this interesting passage "People with dark skin, such as those of African, African-Caribbean or south Asian origin, will need to spend longer in the sun to produce the same amount of vitamin D as someone with lighter skin. " Could this be one of the reasons (with thanks to Mancskipper) why more BAME people have died proportionate to their population?

Article on ACE2 - tests started in April by Prof Josef Penninger, the scientist who discovered the damage SARS did to the human lungs.

Interesting technical discussion in British Medical Journal on ACE2 and how it may or may not be a key to dealing with the virus.

Hope this enlightens someone!

 

[Infinite Chaos]

A vaccine against appears to have provided protection against the disease Covid-19 in six rhesus macaque monkeys.
~A group of monkeys was exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The six animals that were vaccinated had less of the virus in their lungs and airways.

Results from Maqaque Coronavirus tests look very promising. Hopefully one of the 100 or so vaccines being developed becomes the real thing but these Oxford University / US Health tests look good so far.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Most promising so far: research into T-Cells shows promise of some kind of booster to prevent Coronavirus developing to the point of killing the sufferer.

And the drug has already been tested and used in other illnesses.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

It can already be stated that the swedes destroyed both citizens and the economy with their coronavirus experiment. Now they are trying to correct something, but it is too late. They are leading in terms of deaths, and GDP is expected to decline by at least 7%.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Italian scientists say sewage water from two cities contained coronavirus traces in December, long before the country's first confirmed cases.
The National Institute of Health (ISS) said water from Milan and Turin showed genetic virus traces on 18 December. It adds to evidence from other countries that the virus may have been circulating much earlier than thought. Link.

The coronavirus was circulating in France as early as December, new evidence suggests. Doctors in France discovered that a patient who went to the hospital in late December with respiratory symptoms was positive for COVID-19. The man contracted the virus nearly a month before France confirmed its first cases. But it's still not clear how the man was infected, as he wasn't traveling. Doctors also can't say whether or not the man was France's "patient zero."

Link.

A clear picture is just as unattainable now as it was in February of how this thing got to Europe.

 

[PeteEU]

A clear picture is just as unattainable now as it was in February of how this thing got to Europe.

Actually yes and no.

The French information has been confirmed by the Italians, as they have tested waste water samples and found out that the virus was present in December but not November or October.

This information is interesting as other countries are preforming the same tests and some have come to the same conclusion.

Basically the virus was spreading already in December 2019, when the Chinese started to figure out they had a problem.

I think this bug came to Europe in November from Wuhan due to the military Olympics. The Chinese did not realise they had a problem due to the flu like symptoms and were basically not looking for it as it was flu season after all.

The bug only breached critical mass in Wuhan when the numbers of "flu cases" in hospital was at a not normal rate, and that would have been the middle of December.

In Europe it started to spread slowly and then reached critical mass in January. After all military personnel would be isolated on bases and very fit, so again the doctors would shrug it off as the flu. The military personel would slowly spread this among family and friends and reaching any sort of critical mass would take time. And again doctors outside the military would just think it was the flu as it was dku season.

Add to this travel in December from Wuhan and then it suddenly makes sense why the **** hit the fan in early to mid January, when cases of "flu" started to appear in larger than normal numbers.


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[Infinite Chaos]

Then weeks later Matteo Bassetti, the head of infectious diseases at San Martino hospital in Genoa, said that something had shifted. “The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today,” he said late last month. He was not alone in this view.
In America, where New York’s health system so nearly collapsed, one virologist cautiously agreed. Paywall Link.

I remember one of the Oxford scientists saying the disease was spreading far less which meant there might not be enough patients by the time their vaccine is ready to test in stage 3 or 4 but now Professor Matteo Bassetti in Italy is saying something has shifted in the virulence of the disease.

Most virus pandemics have tended to last a maximum of 2 years, the Spanish Flu lasted one year (two major waves) and even SARS / MERS threatened and then receded.

Are we heading for early release from this threat?

 

[Chagos]

Coronavirus: German outbreak sparks fresh local lockdowns

The R-rate in Germany rose considerably and now stands at 2.76

Coronavirus latest: Fresh lockdown for German district after meat-packing outbreak | News | DW | 23.06.2020

The lockdown affects some 600,000 people combined in the North-Rhine- Westfalian districts of Gütersloh and Warendorf.

The actual outbreak occurred in the meat-processing plant "Tönnies" and spread from there. Clear accountability lies (also) in inadequate lodgings provided to workers rented from sub-contractors and has sparked a debate over "meat processors" in general, respectively their personnel policies of hiring cheap labor that go underneath the radar of labour regulations.

Where inhabitants of the district have been strongly advised not to travel outside of the region (but not prohibited from so doing), the federal state of Bavaria has forbidden all its hotels, inns, etc. to supply lodgings to anyone from that region.

Lockdown currently scheduled to last til end of the month.

 

[Chagos]

I remember one of the Oxford scientists saying the disease was spreading far less which meant there might not be enough patients by the time their vaccine is ready to test in stage 3 or 4 but now Professor Matteo Bassetti in Italy is saying something has shifted in the virulence of the disease.

Most virus pandemics have tended to last a maximum of 2 years, the Spanish Flu lasted one year (two major waves) and even SARS / MERS threatened and then receded.

Are we heading for early release from this threat?

judging by what I referenced in post #161, nope.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

judging by what I referenced in post #161, nope.

Yeah, had several online meetings all day looking at preparations for winter. The huge outbreaks at meat-packing plants are a warning about how this virus does well in colder temperatures especially when people's guards are down.

 

[Chagos]

Yeah, had several online meetings all day looking at preparations for winter. The huge outbreaks at meat-packing plants are a warning about how this virus does well in colder temperatures especially when people's guards are down.

Well, I'm not familiar with what air-treatment equipment prevails in UK meat-packaging plants, in the cited case it's been not so much a question of temperature but one of air circulation. IOW the circumstance of many people doing heavy work in a large but still enclosed space, while the air is not massively sucked to the outside and replaced with fresh input, but rather circulated by the renewed input of the A/C.

Where that input indeed serves for the necessary cooling, it also blows the aerosols that are already (or still) within, all over the room.

Virologists have already recommended to in future bask the whole place in UV light permanently, seeing how the installation of systems as they prevail in hospital operating theaters are prohibitively expensive for the size required.

More cases of infections in meat-processing factories are meanwhile surfacing, as yet not of such dimensions as at "Tönnies".

To stress it again: "as yet".

Meanwhile more and more German states are prohibiting entry to people from the area (indeed some to the totality of North-Rhine-Westphalia) and those in the community (currently under a form of lockdown) that were looking forward to a holiday on the German coast or in the Alps, are brimming with fury.

The state government has totally failed in this issue in that the problem was already apparent over a week ago and the dawdling fools spent their time yapping about in conferences before finally acting yesterday.

Biggest failure resting in not having put a travel ban on the citizens there, so that other federal states deemed it necessary to impose it themselves.

 

[german hick]

The actual outbreak occurred in the meat-processing plant "Tönnies" and spread from there.

this guy deserves jail since decades for various reasons. He is the top head of the "meat mafia" and knows no scruples..

 

[Chagos]

this guy deserves jail since decades for various reasons. He is the top head of the "meat mafia" and knows no scruples..

Where I'm concerned he deserves being processed in his own plant.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Well, I'm not familiar with what air-treatment equipment prevails in UK meat-packaging plants, in the cited case it's been not so much a question of temperature but one of air circulation. IOW the circumstance of many people doing heavy work in a large but still enclosed space, while the air is not massively sucked to the outside and replaced with fresh input, but rather circulated by the renewed input of the A/C.

Where that input indeed serves for the necessary cooling, it also blows the aerosols that are already (or still) within, all over the room.

Virologists have already recommended to in future bask the whole place in UV light permanently, seeing how the installation of systems as they prevail in hospital operating theaters are prohibitively expensive for the size required.

More cases of infections in meat-processing factories are meanwhile surfacing, as yet not of such dimensions as at "Tönnies".

To stress it again: "as yet".

Meanwhile more and more German states are prohibiting entry to people from the area (indeed some to the totality of North-Rhine-Westphalia) and those in the community (currently under a form of lockdown) that were looking forward to a holiday on the German coast or in the Alps, are brimming with fury.

The state government has totally failed in this issue in that the problem was already apparent over a week ago and the dawdling fools spent their time yapping about in conferences before finally acting yesterday.

Biggest failure resting in not having put a travel ban on the citizens there, so that other federal states deemed it necessary to impose it themselves.

Latest studies suggest it's not so much the meat processing plants as the workers car-sharing to the factories. Radio 2 phone in suggested the latest outbreaks in Leicester have similar problems with people heading off to work in shared transport.

 

[Chagos]

Latest studies suggest it's not so much the meat processing plants as the workers car-sharing to the factories. Radio 2 phone in suggested the latest outbreaks in Leicester have similar problems with people heading off to work in shared transport.

In this particular case (Gütersloh, Germany) the greatest "propellant" is that East European workers, rented out to the company by sub-contractors, were crammed by the very same into accommodations that might have held 4 people per apartment but held 25. Add to that a whole housing block rented for such purposes and everything was set for hotspot creation. In that manner even those not working in the plant's room of the questionable "aeration" were simply bound to contract the virus from those that did.

I'd agree that car-sharing doesn't help either, but these people were within walking distance of their work place.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

In this particular case (Gütersloh, Germany) the greatest "propellant" is that East European workers, rented out to the company by sub-contractors, were crammed by the very same into accommodations that might have held 4 people per apartment but held 25. Add to that a whole housing block rented for such purposes and everything was set for hotspot creation. In that manner even those not working in the plant's room of the questionable "aeration" were simply bound to contract the virus from those that did.

Get that near me - the farmers are still largely hiring Eastern European workers who live in cheap housing crammed together. Anywhere lots of people are stuck breathing the same air for long allows for transmission. The car s

~ I'd agree that car-sharing doesn't help either, but these people were within walking distance of their work place.

Didn't know that. However, lots of people even when living close would jump in their car - and not just in the US.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Virus Shot From Pfizer, BioNtech Shows Promise in Early Test
An early trial of an experimental coronavirus vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNtech SE showed it’s safe and prompted patients to produce antibodies against the new virus, keeping it in the lead pack for a pandemic shot.

The messenger RNA product was tested on 45 healthy adults divided in several groups: 24 of them got two injections with two different doses of the experimental vaccine, 12 of them received a single shot with a very high dose and nine patients got two dummy injections. The two-shot groups produced the highest level of antibodies. Link.

My worry is that if this is the Holy Grail - America will either buy up all worldwide stock (as they have with Remdesivir) or sell it at a high price. I hope the vaccine works but I also hope it's not monetised...