Conservative refuse to admit these facts are true

[soylentgreen]

Eh...your opinion on Chinese companies is noted, but I respectfully disagree. Hazardous working conditions, living conditions that in many areas are dictated by the employers (workers are property), etc.

So...these american companies...do they do the right thing? Or not?

And no real exception for american workers. Exploitation is not something just the chinese do. I am not here to back what the chinese do. I am here to point out why you are wrong.

And no, exploitation which is what those companies do is never the right thing.

 

[soylentgreen]

No, my argument makes a woman's ability to think for themself irrelevant.

Because even dependants deserve the right to body autonomy.

Women who reach thew third term do so because they want that child. That gives the child the right to live. When it is said that it is a women's choice that means the choice to have a child is as much a right as deciding not to have a child.

It is what the woman thinks that is all that matters it is not irrelevant.

 

[KevinKohler]

And no real exception for american workers. Exploitation is not something just the chinese do. I am not here to back what the chinese do. I am here to point out why you are wrong.

And no, exploitation which is what those companies do is never the right thing.

But all companies exploit under a capitalist system, otherwise...there would be no profit...yes?

Ignore that, lol.

So, companies that exploit their workers are not doing what is right? That's an opinion you and I both share. And one that few if ANY American business owners/CEOs share. I guess you and I are super smart, and should apply to MIT?

 

[soylentgreen]

OP lists a series of facts. About opinions. No getting away from that. They are opinions.

So your arguing a women cannot figure out a few facts about her own life in order to determine whether it is better or not.

 

[soylentgreen]

But all companies exploit under a capitalist system, otherwise...there would be no profit...yes?

Ignore that, lol.

So, companies that exploit their workers are not doing what is right? That's an opinion you and I both share. And one that few if ANY American business owners/CEOs share. I guess you and I are super smart, and should apply to MIT?

Not an opinion as facts back it. You only need to look at american history of workers rights to see what happens when exploitation has the government backing. You only need to look at the poor conditions of those surviving on a pay that does not cover the costs of living to back it. So no i do not have an opinion. The ceo who thinks he is right to exploit is only doing so based on an opinion.

 

[KevinKohler]

Women who reach thew third term do so because they want that child. That gives the child the right to live. When it is said that it is a women's choice that means the choice to have a child is as much a right as deciding not to have a child.

It is what the woman thinks that is all that matters it is not irrelevant.

The right to life begins at birth. That's why DOB is listed, not date of third trimester. Up to that point, despite being conscious, the child has no rights. Otherwise, if you assaulted a woman in her third trimester, you would be sued twice...by both the mother and the child. For all intents and purposes, under the eyes of the law, a pregnant woman is 1 person, until birth.

 

[KevinKohler]

So your arguing a women cannot figure out a few facts about her own life in order to determine whether it is better or not.

Better or worse is an opinion. Not a fact.

 

[KevinKohler]

Not an opinion as facts back it. You only need to look at american history of workers rights to see what happens when exploitation has the government backing. You only need to look at the poor conditions of those surviving on a pay that does not cover the costs of living to back it. So no i do not have an opinion. The ceo who thinks he is right to exploit is only doing so based on an opinion.

Bezos, his company, and the world, sadly...laughs at your "facts". Amazon has made Bezos the 2nd richest person in the world, his company the single most dominant force in the market today, and there is no question that Amazon exploits its employees. They have a high turnover rate, especially at their fulfilment centers. They were among the first American companies to have fatalities while requiring employees to work without proper PPE when covid hit. Etc.

Point being.,.just because you're better off...doesn't mean you made the "right" choices, or did the "right" things.

 

[soylentgreen]

The right to life begins at birth. That's why DOB is listed, not date of third trimester. Up to that point, despite being conscious, the child has no rights. Otherwise, if you assaulted a woman in her third trimester, you would be sued twice...by both the mother and the child. For all intents and purposes, under the eyes of the law, a pregnant woman is 1 person, until birth.

Agreed the child while in the womb has no rights. But the woman who wants a child has every right to ensure the life of that child no matter what stage of development it is at.

 

[soylentgreen]

Better or worse is an opinion. Not a fact.

Not necessarily. They can point to facts such as income, the well being of other children. Their own ability to prosper and be happy. Not to mention just simply their own emotional development after the abortion.

 

[soylentgreen]

Bezos, his company, and the world, sadly...laughs at your "facts". Amazon has made Bezos the 2nd richest person in the world, his company the single most dominant force in the market today, and there is no question that Amazon exploits its employees. They have a high turnover rate, especially at their fulfilment centers. They were among the first American companies to have fatalities while requiring employees to work without proper PPE when covid hit. Etc.

Point being.,.just because you're better off...doesn't mean you made the "right" choices, or did the "right" things.

A true american you are. You measure success by profit and possessions. Yours is a poor comparison if you are trying to say a woman might not be better off if all you are comparing is wealth.

 

[KevinKohler]

Agreed the child while in the womb has no rights. But the woman who wants a child has every right to ensure the life of that child no matter what stage of development it is at.

Agreed.

 

[KevinKohler]

Not necessarily. They can point to facts such as income, the well being of other children. Their own ability to prosper and be happy. Not to mention just simply their own emotional development after the abortion.

The problem is, pro life folks don't view those things as valid, as they would say none of that outweighs the child's right to life. Remember, in their mind, a fetus is a human being.

 

[KevinKohler]

A true american you are. You measure success by profit and possessions. Yours is a poor comparison if you are trying to say a woman might not be better off if all you are comparing is wealth.

Reread the OP and the majority of my argument then...it was OTHERS argument that due to the woman's economic security the choice made...she made the right choice.

The success of a business, btw...is measured almost entirely in profit. That's as American as baseball and apple pie.

Which is my point. Right, wrong? Matters of opinion, if perspective.

 

[OKgrannie]

A responsible person doesnt have sex if they cant handle the repercussions. Its not debateable. By definition that make them irresponsible.

A woman having an abortion IS handling the repercussions. You just don't like the way she is handling it. So she IS responsible.

 

[AlphaOmega]

A woman having an abortion IS handling the repercussions. You just don't like the way she is handling it. So she IS responsible.

Yeah..no.

 

[prometeus]

Yeah..no.

Actually yea, even if you do not like it.

 

[weaver2]

Yeah..no.

Instead of just saying "Yeah no" why don't you discuss why you don't think a woman is dealing with an unwanted pregnancy by getting an abortion. Why do you feel this way? Why does it matter to you? You don't know the women. You don't know her situation. her family, their resources, the emotional environment of the family. Can you do something to make it so the situation is OK for you?

I've heard 2nd graders give more sophisticated answers then "Yeah, no". Surely you could do better than a 2nd grader.

 

[Lursa]

95% of women who killed their unborn babies don't want to admit they murdered their own child.

Esp since they did no such thing: medically, legally, or ethically. :roll:

Soooooo be kinda weird to cop to something you didnt do. Right?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Why not?

Because, like your wife, they would find an important, wonderful gift in life to be lacking or poor quality and not be the joy and intimate bonding that it is intended to bring.

I dont wish that on good people at all. I want them to experience the gift that is sex.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Dayton3]

Because, like your wife, they would find an important, wonderful gift in life to be lacking or poor quality and not be the joy and intimate bonding that it is intended to bring.

I dont wish that on good people at all. I want them to experience the gift that is sex.

A gift that is intended for married people only.

 

[Lursa]

Why do you lie so much?

Is she tho?

2/3rds of all embryos don’t survive

Which fertilized eggs will become healthy human fetuses? Researchers predict with 93% accuracy -- ScienceDaily

Two-thirds of all human embryos fail to develop successfully. Now, in a new study, researchers have shown that they can predict with 93 percent certainty which fertilized eggs will make it to a critical developmental milestone and which will stall and die. The findings are important to the understanding of the fundamentals of human development at the earliest stages, which have largely remained a mystery despite the attention given to human embryonic stem cell research.*

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

I bet that 99.99% of women that had their baby think it was the right thing to do...

So the women who exercised CHOICE are all pretty happy with their choices then?

win-win!

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Repeat Abortion, Repeat Unintended Pregnancy, Repeated and Misguided Government Policies | Guttmacher Institute

Do they have anything available that's more current than 2006?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

I don't have to prove it and I doubt that there is a survey of women after child birth. I would bet my life that very very few women that have just had their baby are regretting it and I don't give a crap about what one woman says...

Wow...you may feel that way, but I know enough women to know that's not true. There are many that dont 'regret it' but wouldnt do it again.

it's a fine distinction...but it's reality.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa