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Christian School Expels Girl for Wearing Rainbow Sweater on Her Birthday

ecofarm said:
I'm not interest in excuses. I'm not interested in "but it means pink ponies to me". I'm interested in one thing: What was the symbol created for. People can take their subjective bs and shove it.
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I do not make excuses for their racist history.
 
AProudLefty said:
Why would I care if they fly the Confederate flag? I don't assume those people who fly them are racists.
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Exactly, much more terrifying things to worry about in this world than a flag flyin' in the air...
 
Elvira said:
The cross was a symbol used by pagans long before it became a symbol for Christendom...Hindus and Buddhists in India and China, and by the Persians, Assyrians, and Babylonians, all used the cross as an emblem for their religious and mystical purposes long before the Christian era...one reason I would not own/wear one...
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Then you agree with me. The important thing is the purpose of creation.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm not referring to you. You wouldn't fly the racist flag.
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Why not? I have friends who fly Confederate flags. And I have a friend who decorate his home with Confederate symbol. It's a bike group thing.
 
Elvira said:
Exactly, much more terrifying things to worry about in this world than a flag flyin' in the air...
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Racists are pretty much the biggest problem in this country and the world. Ignoring the biggest problem is kinda stupid, isn't it?
 
AProudLefty said:
Would it be worth it? No. They decided it's best to just leave the hateful school. The girl is way better off anyway.
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It wouldn't be worth it if they knew she was guilty. Thanks for your opinion of the school and the determination that it's both hateful and that she'll be better off in public school.
 
Rising Sun said:
It wouldn't be worth it if they knew she was guilty. Thanks for your opinion of the school and the determination that it's both hateful and that she'll be better off in public school.
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it's not an opinion. It's a fact. I would know because I grew up in a Fundie family. I've graduated from Liberty University.
 
ecofarm said:
Then you agree with me. The important thing is the purpose of creation.
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But if someone else chooses to wear a cross, that is their business, none of mine...
 
AProudLefty said:
Why not? I have friends who fly Confederate flags. And I have a friend who decorate his home with Confederate symbol. It's a bike group thing.
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Because you know it's hateful. It hurts people. And that's not what you're about.
 
Elvira said:
But if someone else chooses to wear a cross, that is their business, none of mine...
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But you agree the purpose of creation is what matters, not subjective interpretation. And you believe they're heretics. Just as I believe they're racists. You got no high ground.
 
AProudLefty said:
it's not an opinion. It's a fact. I would know because I grew up in a Fundie family. I've graduated from Liberty University.
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So, because of your upbringing you are projecting all of that childhood anger onto the school. Awesome. I'll await your evidence that the school is hateful and that Kayla will be better off at public school.

PS Jerry Falwell is an asshole and I'm glad he's dead. :)
 
Rising Sun said:
So, because of your upbringing you are projecting all of that childhood anger onto the school. Awesome. I'll await your evidence that the school is hateful and that Kayla will be better off at public school.
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What anger? I had a good childhood. Perhaps it's you who is projecting.
 
ecofarm said:
But you agree the purpose of creation is what matters, not subjective interpretation.
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For me, yes, because that's how I personally feel...I hate how the cross began, because of it's pagan roots, but I can't go around jerkin' crosses off of people's necks...
 
Elvira said:
For me, yes, because that's how I personally feel...I hate how the cross began, because of it's pagan roots, but I can't go around jerkin' crosses off of people's necks...
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Pagan roots? It was a barbaric means of execution. If Jesus had lived and was executed in the Old West, people would be walking around with nooses on their necks.

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Rising Sun said:
How am I the one who is projecting when it as you who said "lt's best to just leave the hateful school. The girl is way better off anyway", supposedly based on your "Fundie family" and Jerry Falwell's Evangelical "bastion of the Christian right"?

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Growing up as a Fundie means I went to many Fundie churches, where they constantly moaned about gays and rainbows. Gay this and gay this. They're spreading diseases. They're pedophiles. The military have to be careful about dropping the soap (that was Jerry Falwell saying that BTW). And so on. And the school reacted the same way over a freaking birthday party. And if she is, in fact, a lesbian, she would be better off.
 
AProudLefty said:
Growing up as a Fundie means I went to many Fundie churches, where they constantly moaned about gays and rainbows. Gay this and gay this. They're spreading diseases. They're pedophiles. The military have to be careful about dropping the soap (that was Jerry Falwell saying that BTW). And so on. And the school reacted the same way over a freaking birthday party. And if she is, in fact, a lesbian, she would be better off.
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I'm aware of the Evangelical and Southern Baptist views. I'm still awaiting your evidence that this particular school is as hateful as your experience with Falwell's Liberty University or the Kayla is better off in the public school in her district per your declaration of "fact".

AProudLefty said:
it's not an opinion. It's a fact. I would know because I grew up in a Fundie family. I've graduated from Liberty University.
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Rising Sun said:
I'm aware of the Evangelical and Southern Baptist views. I'm still awaiting your evidence that this particular school is as hateful as your experience with Falwell's Liberty University or the Kayla is better off in the public school in her district.
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Well I can't provide you with hard evidence. I can only rely on my experience and the fact that they overreacted to an innocent private birthday party. And if she turns out to be actually lesbian, but haven't broken any rule, would you think they have kept her?
 
Rising Sun said:
Pagan roots? It was a barbaric means of execution. If Jesus had lived and was executed in the Old West, people would be walking around with nooses on their necks.

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Or what if he was executed with a gun? Who would wear a gun around their neck? How silly...
 
AProudLefty said:
Well I can't provide you with hard evidence. I can only rely on my experience and the fact that they overreacted to an innocent private birthday party. And if she turns out to be actually lesbian, but haven't broken any rule, would you think they have kept her?
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Experience = opinion, not fact...although, admittedly, substantiated opinion. :)

As some of us on this thread have gone over for days, without knowing the background of Kayla's reported violations of the previous two years, it's jumping to a conclusion to claim the school "overreacted" by expelling her much less claim they are haters. Disagreement is not hate. Following policy or beliefs is not hate. If a student kept carrying weapons in violation of policy, they too would have been expelled. Does that make the school knife or gun haters? No. It could, but I doubt it.

Given her reported previous behavior, including having smoking materials at school, and the odds of being straight vs. gay, I'm more inclined to believe she's a rebellious teenager than a lesbian. It's possible, but I don't have enough information to make that declaration either way.
 
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