Car rammer self defense James Alex Fields Jr

[classiclogic]

So your view is to let racists march unopposed through the streets like in the old days?

They have a right to be racist. You have a right to protest. Nobody has a right to violence.


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[PoS]

They have a right to be racist. You have a right to protest. Nobody has a right to violence.


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Tell that to the racist who plowed his car into a crowd.

 

[classiclogic]

Tell that to the racist who plowed his car into a crowd.

The justice system will make that clear.


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[Goshin]

So your view is to let racists march unopposed through the streets like in the old days?

They'd be more disheartened if they marched through empty streets to the sound of crickets, utterly ignored.

Loud and violent counterprotests just feed the flame. Showing them their irrelevance and unimportance by ignoring them would likely be more effective.


It's not as if we're in any danger of a brownshirt coup.

 

[Goshin]

I'm seeing a disturbing trend here.


Some are lumping anyone remotely "nationalist" in with the "white nationalists" to conflate as much of the Right with the Racists as possible, to make it look like there's some kind of Nazi/White Nationalist movement poised to roll over the country.


I see that "Alt Right" term keeps getting broader and broader... pretty soon anyone to the right of Bill Clinton will be Alt-Right by someone's yardstick.


Nice try but a little too obvious. Just another variation on that Race Card the left has been trying to stick to the right for decades.

 

[Kurmugeon]

That fits with the fact in multiple videos one can see objects being thrown at the vehicle prior to the incident..

Thank you.

We need to keep an objective view of these incidents...

Just like we needed to WAIT for more info on the whole "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" thang.

What you are referencing in this video fits the experience and gut instincts I have formed over the years about conservatives and modern Pro-White Activists.

Violent Skin Head Whites are actually extremely rare in 1980-> America. I would estimate less than 0.1%

Violent BLM Blacks and Latino La Raza "People of Color" are close to 30% of their respective demographic groups.

This reality doesn't work well for the Lefties, so they try hard to twist the public perception.

There are still some blatantly racist White Americans, but the population is very small, and shrinking. They tend to be very meek, non-violent (even craven) and soft spoken about their beliefs.

Violent, Radical, Asertive, Aggressive Racial Hatred is almost entirely among "Designated Minority" and "Left Political" Democrats in 2016-> America.


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[Kurmugeon]

Here is a link to the Government Data Base which tracks Racial Bias motivated crimes:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0412st.pdf




So... When you normalize for population, Blacks, who are roughly 13% of the population, commit roughly 3X their population ratio of the racially motivated crimes.

Non-Hispanic Whites, who are roughly 45% of the population, commit 25% of the racial bias crimes, or about 1/2X their population ratio.

Which means, on average, Blacks are 6X more likely to commit a racially motivated crime than whites.

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[PoS]

They'd be more disheartened if they marched through empty streets to the sound of crickets, utterly ignored.

Loud and violent counterprotests just feed the flame. Showing them their irrelevance and unimportance by ignoring them would likely be more effective.


It's not as if we're in any danger of a brownshirt coup.

I disagree. If you discourage protests against them the racists will view it as tacit approval and grow in strength.

 

[LunaRose]

Thank you.

We need to keep an objective view of these incidents...

Just like we needed to WAIT for more info on the whole "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" thang.

What you are referencing in this video fits the experience and gut instincts I have formed over the years about conservatives and modern Pro-White Activists.

Violent Skin Head Whites are actually extremely rare in 1980-> America. I would estimate less than 0.1%

Violent BLM Blacks and Latino La Raza "People of Color" are close to 30% of their respective demographic groups.

This reality doesn't work well for the Lefties, so they try hard to twist the public perception.

There are still some blatantly racist White Americans, but the population is very small, and shrinking. They tend to be very meek, non-violent (even craven) and soft spoken about their beliefs.

Violent, Radical, Asertive, Aggressive Racial Hatred is almost entirely among "Designated Minority" and "Left Political" Democrats in 2016-> America.


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As always you are off your rocker....since 1983 73% of mass killings have been caused by white men. Majority of terrorists attacks committed in the US since 9/11 have been caused by white men.

mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

 

[Geoist]

Did you honestly think this was going to be a peaceful event? While I don't entirely agree with Goshen's view, I know I was thinking it wasn't going to be pretty and I wouldn't go anywhere near it.

There was no doubt going to be clashes, but for the vast majority these events go pretty peacefully, even if heated. We watch MSM and see the violence and assume that is how it was everywhere.

 

[Kurmugeon]

As always you are off your rocker....since 1983 73% of mass killings have been caused by white men. Majority of terrorists attacks committed in the US since 9/11 have been caused by white men.

mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

Reading is fundemental.

You're attempting to conflate "Mass Shootings" with what I quoted statistics on, which is racially motiviated crimes, as per government statistics.

If I wanted to quote data about "Mass Shootings", then I would have found data about mass shootings.

Given recent events, the vast majority of "Mass Shootings" done in the last decade have been done by Islamic Extremists.

Generally, but not always, they, the "Arabic" people commiting such crimes, are also classified as "White-Non-Hispanic", but are far from the Demographic Group of Working White Trump Supporters or conventional "Right Wing" voters.

"Mass Shootings" are also a very rare event, as far as overall crime statistics go.

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[TobyOne]

Absolutely.

So your view is to let racists march unopposed through the streets like in the old days?

 

[TobyOne]

The alt-right are Statists and anti-Constitution and therefore by definition, not conservative. They are similar to the AntiFa movement in that regard. Fascists fighting fascists about how there version of fascism is correct and anyone who doesn't think so is a fascist.

The alt-right may indeed have Trump in their corner as he is also a Statist. It remains to be seen if Trump will support the alt right through policy prescriptions or will just use them as useful idiots.

I'm seeing a disturbing trend here.


Some are lumping anyone remotely "nationalist" in with the "white nationalists" to conflate as much of the Right with the Racists as possible, to make it look like there's some kind of Nazi/White Nationalist movement poised to roll over the country.


I see that "Alt Right" term keeps getting broader and broader... pretty soon anyone to the right of Bill Clinton will be Alt-Right by someone's yardstick.


Nice try but a little too obvious. Just another variation on that Race Card the left has been trying to stick to the right for decades.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Conservatives and Right Leaning people are considerably more reserved and restrained about how they react in EVERYTHING, including angry outburts.

Consider the campaign slogans of the GOP, compared to the Democrats.

Consider the political speeches of Conservatives, compared to Democrats.

Think, William Buckley, compared to the Howard Dean Scream!




It is fitting and expected, that on average, at confrontations like that in Va, Conservatives are far more likely to respond in a reserved fashion.

Outrageous behavior from BLM speakers is the norm.

Put in a potentially violent situation, MOST of the time, the conservative and right wingers, do not respond with violence, but rather with de-escalation and retreat.

Consider the average Antifa rally, to the average Trump Rally.

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[Kurmugeon]

Food for thought:

Jan. 22, 1993: LA riots victim victim Reginald Denny speaks on 'Good Morning America' Video - ABC News

 

[azgreg]

In all my years of posting on political debate boards, I doubt I've seen a more embarrassing OP.


Good freakin Lord.

Just wait, he'll post more.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

yeah - getting some trash thrown at your car is a good defense for vehicular homicide. :doh:roll:

No, but it might be a defense to 2nd Degree Murder and leaving the scene of an accident. Weve seen time and again, these 'protestors' swarming cars and viciously assaulting the occupants. As well, it is unreasonable to expect him to remain at the scene, regardless of the circumstances, as his safety was clearly at risk. And to head off the inevitable argument... no, you dont get to mob assault someone because just you believe they committed a crime. The videos released thus far are inconclusive and misleading, as the incident apparently occurred at a corner - they may have rounded the corner into the path of the driver fleeing another crowd, or the car may have blindly rounded the corner, in said flight and plowed into the crowd. He did stop momentarily and reversed and fled as the crowd rushed and attacked his car. So, we cant say whether or not he intended to stop and render aid and fled in response to the crowd rushing him.

Either way, Im sad to say that we will likely never know the whole truth of the matter, because all the witness are motivated to give a highly biased and potentially deceitful account of the incident and the authorities will be looking for any reason to make an example.

 

[ludin]

Doesn't look like a car swarmed by protesters prior to 'accident.'

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Why can't you be honest and post the whole hung instead of a displaced photo?

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

Weirdest excuse ever. So the driver ran over protesters in self defense? Why didn't he just drive away?

Drive away, to where? The streets were full of people attacking him. He was driving pretty slowly for this to have been a deliberate attempt to harm people. It appears that he may have expected people to move out of his way, but they didnt and got hit.

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[Wilbur Mercer]

Oh stop it. He clearly shows, at best, complete disregard the lives of the people he slammed into, and then goes speeding away in reverse. Defending this is just sick.

He was driving relatively slowly as people threw stuff at his car and charged at him from the sidewalks. You can see in the video that they rush into the street behind him, well before he runs into the crowd. It appears that he was attempting to flee the area and expected the people in the street to get out of the way. He likely didnt know how dense the crowd was and thought it was a few people standing in the street to throw stuff, like the people he had just encountered. Its a gauntlet - you know what 'running a gauntlet' means?

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[Geoist]

Why can't you be honest and post the whole hung instead of a displaced photo?

When you look at one of the two videos you don't see any mobs except the one he drove 1-2 blocks to run into. Do you have evidence for this "violent mob" surrounding his car?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Drive away, to where? The streets were full of people attacking him. He was driving pretty slowly for this to have been a deliberate attempt to harm people. It appears that he may have expected people to move out of his way, but they didnt and got hit.

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The places he backed away to after he murdered that girl.

Duh.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

I got it on good authority that Cons and people on the right NEVER, ever commit violence. It's always only people on the Left who are violent. I've read that here daily. So it must be true.

Who is throwing stuff and running into the street? Who threw stuff at the demonstration marchers, spat on them, charged at them with bludgeons? Who has been showing up in masks EVERYWHERE 'Conservatives' gather and trying to silence them with bottles and sticks and bicycle locks and wanton property destruction?

People are fighting back and its going to get bloodier. They wanted violence, theyll get it.

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[Wilbur Mercer]

The places he backed away to after he murdered that girl.

Duh.

Yeah, except that the street behind him was full of people throwing stuff at him, too, until they saw him run into the crowd. Then they decided it was a good idea to leave him alone. You can see it right there in your own linked video, if you have the intellectual integrity to.

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[Wilbur Mercer]

When you look at one of the two videos you don't see any mobs except the one he drove 1-2 blocks to run into. Do you have evidence for this "violent mob" surrounding his car?

You can see him driving at a reasonable speed, as people throw things at his car and rush into the street as he passes. He most likely expected the people in front of him to get out of the way, as many actually did, not realizing the size and density of the crowd.

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