Car rammer self defense James Alex Fields Jr

[Moon]

So he was trained to be able to keep his calm and act deliberately in violent, chaotic circumstances. Makes the whole "I panicked" excuse even more laughable.

He received that level of training in less than 3 months on active duty? Doubtful.

There are still a lot of open questions here. Be interesting to see what the prosecutors do.

 

[Moon]

Well that rules out scared then.

Why, because he was in the military for 5 minutes? Lol

 

[Yes_Minister]

Tech reporter for The Hill​ Taylor Lorenz reports that police believe the suspect didn’t intentionally mow down protesters out of malice intent. Lorenz reports that authorities believe that the suspect acted out of fear as protesters swarmed the vehicle, some allegedly acting violent.

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Is this more right wing "personal responsibility", where this guy doesn't have to take responsibility for murdering people, because "the left made him do it"?

Personal Responsibility is a rather worthless if you never apply it to yourself and can blame "the left" for anything.

 

[Goshin]

So giving in to fear is now the "sensible" thing to do? We all should hide in our houses while the scum take over the streets? No. It is the supremacists that should be afraid. They do not stand for America and America does not need to stand for them.

Also exactly not what I said.


Do you think the counter protests accomplished anything really?? Did they secure America from Nazism? um, no.


Did the Nazis care that people were there to "stand up to them"? No, they love opposition, it cranks their gears.


Ignoring them would have made them madder, probabaly.



It was known trouble was likely, an there was nothing to be gained by going.


Nothing but the self-satisfaction to say "I stood up to those Nazis!" when they could care less if you did and it changes nothing.


It's not like we're under threat of a Brownshirt coup or something. They're fringe, they're small, and they're shrinking overall.... another generation and they won't be able to get up a decent cookout party.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Also exactly not what I said.


Do you think the counter protests accomplished anything really?? Did they secure America from Nazism? um, no.


Did the Nazis care that people were there to "stand up to them"? No, they love opposition, it cranks their gears.


Ignoring them would have made them madder, probabaly.



It was known trouble was likely, an there was nothing to be gained by going.


Nothing but the self-satisfaction to say "I stood up to those Nazis!" when they could care less if you did and it changes nothing.


It's not like we're under threat of a Brownshirt coup or something. They're fringe, they're small, and they're shrinking overall.... another generation and they won't be able to get up a decent cookout party.

Didn't the Mayor some something like that ask that people stay home and away from that white nationalist party? Or am I thinking of some other white nationalist party and mayor asking people to stay home and away?

 

[Goshin]

Didn't the Mayor some something like that ask that people stay home and away from that white nationalist party? Or am I thinking of some other white nationalist party and mayor asking people to stay home and away?

Pretty sure this is the same one you're speaking of.


People were asked to stay away. They were told there would probably be trouble. There was already some trouble yesterday if I heard right.


They went anyway. To accomplish....? Something that would have been better achieved if the Nazis had marched along empty streets with no one paying them any attention at all...

 

[Utility Man]

Nothing was accomplished.

Except for death, violence and the ginning up of bottom dwellers.

Yessir, I do.

Do you think the counter-protests convinced any Nazis to stop Nazi-ing? I doubt it.
Do you think you made the nation safe from Nazism by counter-protesting? i doubt it, and I doubt we were in any great danger of Nazis to begin with.

Personally I think as much could have been accomplished better, by simply ignoring them as if they didn't exist.


This isn't 1930s Germany.

Ignore them, so that Donald Trump himself could be there dressed up as Hitler to lead the parade ?

No thanks.

Exposure em raises questions like this.......

"Why is this man, a principal of a school of black and minority students, advocating for monuments of hate?" asked Malik Bartholomew, a Dillard University employee and resident who shared the photograph. "The men whose monuments he was supporting were members of the Confederacy and they were against black education."

New Orleans principal ordered out of school after photo near Confederate flag: Image taken 'out of context' | Education | theadvocate.com

There is a reason bottom dwellers are the only ones out in the open.

 

[Goshin]

Ignore them, so that Donald Trump himself could be there dressed up as Hitler to lead the parade ?

....



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If you seriously think that's likely then there's nothing more to say.

 

[Crovax]

So going to a protest is asking for death. Gotcha.

No, going to a protest that is protesting a protest of which both groups (antifa and white nationalists) have incited many violent incidents across the country is asking for trouble.

 

[Redress]

Exactly not what I said. I said THIS particular event was expected to be trouble an has been discussed as such for days before it occurred.


Sensible people stayed away. Protesting rarely accomplishes frack-all anyway, barring special circumstances, and something like being there to oppose a small and shrinking fringe group like the Klan and the skinheads isn't worth your life and limb.... and some kind of incident like this was not only predictable it was predicted.

I am glad our founding fathers did not make excuses to not protest. If you really think protesting is ineffective, you are so painfully ignorant of 250 years of US history. And to dismiss the death of some one doing nothing more wrong than standing up for their beliefs is really ****ing sad.

 

[Crovax]

I am glad our founding fathers did not make excuses to not protest. If you really think protesting is ineffective, you are so painfully ignorant of 250 years of US history. And to dismiss the death of some one doing nothing more wrong than standing up for their beliefs is really ****ing sad.

The founding fathers were up against a tyrannical govt. These protesters were on the side of the govt protesting against people who were protesting the govt.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

I am glad our founding fathers did not make excuses to not protest. If you really think protesting is ineffective, you are so painfully ignorant of 250 years of US history.

I don't think he is saying that. I think he is saying this protest was ineffective. And I agree.

People equating this to what the Founding Fathers did or to the brave protesters and activists of the 60's are missing the mark, I think. In those cases they were standing up to oppressive governments. That is a serious adversary with a lot of power to affect your life.

This was a stupid fringe group of some White Nationalists. Nobody takes them seriously. They have no power over us. All counter protesting them does is bring more attention to their dying cause. If there hadn't been a counter protest and all they did was there little march around with torches and we just ignored them they wouldn't be all over TV right now.

I think there are causes worth getting out there and putting yourself on the line for. But this is a stupid one. But I do believe the death was tragic.

 

[iguanaman]

Also exactly not what I said.


Do you think the counter protests accomplished anything really?? Did they secure America from Nazism? um, no.


Did the Nazis care that people were there to "stand up to them"? No, they love opposition, it cranks their gears.


Ignoring them would have made them madder, probabaly.



It was known trouble was likely, an there was nothing to be gained by going.


Nothing but the self-satisfaction to say "I stood up to those Nazis!" when they could care less if you did and it changes nothing.


It's not like we're under threat of a Brownshirt coup or something. They're fringe, they're small, and they're shrinking overall.... another generation and they won't be able to get up a decent cookout party.

"We should call evil by its name," tweeted Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, the most senior Republican in the Senate. "My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home."

I could not have said it better...
and I bet a lot of Germans said what you just did when the brownshirts were taking over.

 

[iguanaman]

I don't think he is saying that. I think he is saying this protest was ineffective. And I agree.

People equating this to what the Founding Fathers did or to the brave protesters and activists of the 60's are missing the mark, I think. In those cases they were standing up to oppressive governments. That is a serious adversary with a lot of power to affect your life.

This was a stupid fringe group of some White Nationalists. Nobody takes them seriously. They have no power over us. All counter protesting them does is bring more attention to their dying cause. If there hadn't been a counter protest and all they did was there little march around with torches and we just ignored them they wouldn't be all over TV right now.

I think there are causes worth getting out there and putting yourself on the line for. But this is a stupid one. But I do believe the death was tragic.

You guys keep saying "fringe group" and "dwindling numbers" like you know what you are talking about. The alt right nationalist movement is growing faster than ISIS.

What rising white nationalism says about race in the 21st century US.
On November 12th, 2016 TheDailyStormer.com, a neo-Nazi website with a monthly viewership of over two million lead with the headline, “The Swastika Reigns in Germany! Trump reigns in America!” After the election a popular thread on the white nationalist website Stormfront.org, with over 300,000 members, carried a discussion thread about Trump’s victory filled with congratulatory posts and happy-face emojis clinking beer mugs. “The Don, is president!” one person wrote. Another wrote, “WE DID IT!!!! WE WON!!!! DONALD TRUMP IS OUR 45TH PRESIDENT!!!!” Another exclaimed simply, “Whooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

When White Nationalism Became Popular | Anthropology-News

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Ah yes the Trump apologists new buzz term is' fringe groups'.. According to the Trumpsters these Nazis and White supremacy groups are 'fringe groups'.

No, no they're not. There's millions of them and they are firmly behind Trump. And the so called 'moderate' Republicans who are defending these groups and saying this violence was the counter protesters fault simply because they SHOWED up to counter protest are gutless and weak for refusing to stand up and criticize the Nazis and White groups for what they are and what they're doing to the GOP.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Ah yes the Trump apologists new buzz term is' fringe groups'.. According to the Trumpsters these Nazis and White supremacy groups are 'fringe groups'.

No, no they're not. There's millions of them and they are firmly behind Trump. And the so called 'moderate' Republicans who are defending these groups and saying this violence was the counter protesters fault simply because they SHOWED up to counter protest are gutless and weak for refusing to stand up and criticize the Nazis and White groups for what they are and what they're doing to the GOP.

There were hundreds of white skinned locals in Justice Park ready to go loggerheads with these nazi assholes, and many many more white skinned people who traveled long distances.

Wanna bet that there were quite a few "moderates" among them?

I don't know about you, but I surely wouldn't stand by and allow theses assholes in my hood, even if I had to spend a night in the pokey.

 

[haymarket]

The founding fathers were up against a tyrannical govt. These protesters were on the side of the govt protesting against people who were protesting the govt.

The anti Nazi protesters were not on the governments side ... they simply were there to protest against neo Nazi's trying to invade their community and bring their message of hate to a wider audience.

Senator Orrin Hatch was right - people did not fight and die against Nazism during WW2 so that it can raise its ugly head and go unchallenged today. No sir. When nazism attempts to spread its hateful message today - there will be people there to protest against it as vigorously as they can. And that is the way it should be and must be.

Never again!

 

[holbritter]

Anyone with a thinking brain KNOWS if the perp had a Muslim sounding name - Trump would have tweeted at least 4 times about it by now, denouncing as Islamic Terrorism.

Good bait job pulling crap out of thin air that has nothing to do with the thread.

 

[holbritter]

Ooooooo...they're going to crucify this guy:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoe...tesville-crash?utm_term=.ul2DNlxnO#.jn59G7x3P

Yup, he's toast.

 

[Nap]

If the police are saying that then why did Charlottesville police chief say it was 'premeditated?'

Don't remember where I heard it from but allegedly the tags were off the car. If that is true then it is obviously premeditated, especially considering his ties to the white supremacists and the victims were the other protestors.

 

[holbritter]

Millions of people protest every year peacefully and with little to no incident. You are far more likely to get hurt/killed as a soldier than you are as protester. Just admit your comment was heartless and dumb and we can move on.

Did you honestly think this was going to be a peaceful event? While I don't entirely agree with Goshen's view, I know I was thinking it wasn't going to be pretty and I wouldn't go anywhere near it.

 

[haymarket]

They have him with the neo nazi's with a shield and apparently he helped hand out the shields to other nazi's Saturday. This guy is one of them through and through.

I thought it was both sad and funny that his mother thought he was going to an "Albright rally".

 

[Port & Starboard]

Yessir, I do.

Do you think the counter-protests convinced any Nazis to stop Nazi-ing? I doubt it.
Do you think you made the nation safe from Nazism by counter-protesting? i doubt it, and I doubt we were in any great danger of Nazis to begin with.

Personally I think as much could have been accomplished better, by simply ignoring them as if they didn't exist.


This isn't 1930s Germany.

You are more understanding and patient than I am.

I have zero tolerance for any hate group or violent criminals in America.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I don't know about you, but I surely wouldn't stand by and allow theses assholes in my hood, even if I had to spend a night in the pokey.

Good to hear that. But if you read though these threads many Republicans are blaming the counter protesters for protesting AGAINST the Nazis. Seems kind of backwards to me to blame the counter protesters. The 'that woman wouldn't have been killed if she wasn't there' line is BS.

I have NO problem with people protesting the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue. That's their right. But why were those protesters giving the Nazi Salute and wearing Nazi helmets? What does Lee have to do with the Nazis? I know what, so do you.

BTW I never said all Republicans and all Trump supporters were racists. They're not. But the GOP does have a problem right now with the racists in their party, and Trump isn't helping things.

 

[JackA]

Tech reporter for The Hill​ Taylor Lorenz reports that police believe the suspect didn’t intentionally mow down protesters out of malice intent. Lorenz reports that authorities believe that the suspect acted out of fear as protesters swarmed the vehicle, some allegedly acting violent.

James Alex Fields Jr: Full Story & Must-See Details

Police obviously don't believe that. They have charged him with second degree murder.