Car rammer self defense James Alex Fields Jr

[Wilbur Mercer]

I see the same videos as you. I am just not so deluded as to think driving directly towards protesters is the way to get away from them.

I wouldnt say youre deluded, just dishonest, considering the video you linked shows him hitting a stopped vehicle and at the end you can clearly see the skid marks where he tried to stop.

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[ksu_aviator]

Tech reporter for The Hill​ Taylor Lorenz reports that police believe the suspect didn’t intentionally mow down protesters out of malice intent. Lorenz reports that authorities believe that the suspect acted out of fear as protesters swarmed the vehicle, some allegedly acting violent.

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This is the problem with being violent. When the retaliation comes, neither side has an ethical pillar to support them. The guy in the car is a full on murderer. But, he was reacting to violent protesters from ANTIFA and DSA. NPR is saying the counter protesters began the violence by throwing urine filled balloons and rocks.

https://thinkprogress.org/white-supremacist-rally-charlottesville-9dc4fa92f40c/

From that new vantage point, Unite the Right rallygoers began throwing water bottles back at the antifa group that had begun flinging bottles, balloons, and other objects. ThinkProgress reporter Joshua Eaton also noted that protesters, armed with homemade shields, were using mace and pepper spray on each other.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

Just imagine for one second if the terrorist some here are defending was named Muhammad -- just reread their posts and transpose, be horrified at the complicity.

Your comment is invalid. Unless of course, you can provide us with a comparable example? Until then, youre just bellowing empty rhetoric.

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[haymarket]

A) I couldnt care less what you think;

thats an obvious untruth as you care enough to respond to what I think about you.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

This is the problem with being violent. When the retaliation comes, neither side has an ethical pillar to support them. The guy in the car is a full on murderer. But, he was reacting to violent protesters from ANTIFA and DSA. NPR is saying the counter protesters began the violence by throwing urine filled balloons and rocks.

'Murderer' denotes intent. Evidence directly contradicts that assumption.

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[slick]

I'm seeing a disturbing trend here.


Some are lumping anyone remotely "nationalist" in with the "white nationalists" to conflate as much of the Right with the Racists as possible, to make it look like there's some kind of Nazi/White Nationalist movement poised to roll over the country.


I see that "Alt Right" term keeps getting broader and broader... pretty soon anyone to the right of Bill Clinton will be Alt-Right by someone's yardstick.


Nice try but a little too obvious. Just another variation on that Race Card the left has been trying to stick to the right for decades.

You hit the nail on the head, best post of a long thread.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

Seemed as though no airbag deployed, wonder why.

A) What evidence do you have that the airbag didnt deploy? B) he clearly hit stopped cars and substantially damaged the front end of the car, so either the airbag deployed, or it malfunctioned. C) What point are you attempting to make?

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[CriticalThought]

I wouldnt say youre deluded, just dishonest, considering the video you linked shows him hitting a stopped vehicle and at the end you can clearly see the skid marks where he tried to stop.

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Yes, people often try to stop before hitting stationary objects.

Notice that he sped up after breaking.

For as ill nerved as you try to paint him, why is he even taking a route that puts him directly in the middle of protesters?

The picture you are so desperately trying to paint is not even substantiated by the video evidence or circumstances.

 

[CriticalThought]

'Murderer' denotes intent. Evidence directly contradicts that assumption.

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Your subjective interpretation of a few videos and stills is not "evidence". Evidence will be everything from measuring the skids on the road to his account for why he was even there.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

My guess is he braked when he saw the cars and realized he could not plow straight through. What is also very telling is he fled the scene and endangered more people doing it. He is going down for at least vehicular manslaughter.

Why is that your guess? You have absolutely no evidence to support that assumption, only prejudice. The protesters were surrounding the stopped car, so a presumptive differentiation of the two, is entirely unfounded by any available evidence.

He fled the scene because the crowd rushed his car with clubs and jumped on it. Would YOU stay there??? I can all but guarantee the charges will be reduced to Manslaughter at most and fleeing the scene will be dropped, as that absolutely was an act of self defense.

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[classiclogic]

Why is that your guess? You have absolutely no evidence to support that assumption, only prejudice. The protesters were surrounding the stopped car, so a presumptive differentiation of the two, is entirely unfounded by any available evidence.

He fled the scene because the crowd rushed his car with clubs and jumped on it. Would YOU stay there??? I can all but guarantee the charges will be reduced to Manslaughter at most and fleeing the scene will be dropped, as that absolutely was an act of self defense.

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I want to be clear that I am asking this question with honest intent, and nothing in it should be taken as justification for hitting pedestrians.

In one of the videos, as soon as he hits the parked car, you can see at least a few guys immediately on the scene with baseball bats. Why did they have bats, and does anyone know if those guys were getting into it with the driver prior to him hitting the people?


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[Wilbur Mercer]

Your subjective interpretation of a few videos and stills is not "evidence". Evidence will be everything from measuring the skids on the road to his account for why he was even there.

The only evidence required to disprove the assertion that he intentionally rammed a crowd of people, is the panic braking attempt. Negligence is an entirely different matter and 'why he was there' is immaterial and potentially prejudicial - he was driving his car, on a public road, attempting to leave the demonstration.

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[Skeptic Bob]

With OSUT (one station unit training - where basic training directly phases into job training and no one graduates until they are finished with all the training) that I went through, four months to graduate from Basic and AIT isn't unusual. He may have very well not graduated.

True. I don't think they were doing OSUT back when I went through in the 90's. And even now isn't it only for 11B or is it all combat MOS's?

But even with OSUT, when you figure in all the processing time, 4 months is cutting it close. If he did graduate then that means he likely got discharged once he got to his unit, and at that point getting discharged is no easy thing. It can take months to kick someone out. So right now my money is on him not graduating, but I haven't a clue what the reason was. Medical, PT failure, failure to adapt or whatever.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

I want to be clear that I am asking this question with honest intent, and nothing in it should be taken as justification for hitting pedestrians.

In one of the videos, as soon as he hits the parked car, you can see at least a few guys immediately on the scene with baseball bats. Why did they have bats, and does anyone know if those guys were getting into it with the driver prior to him hitting the people?


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The available evidence would indicate that he was attempting to leave the demonstration and was blocked in. It would also seem that he counted on the pedestrians to clear the road and many did. The ones he hit were surrounding stopped vehicles in the road. The protesters with the weapons could very well be the reason he was leaving, after protesters attacked the the demonstration he was attending. Im not sure if youre asking if the armed protesters in general, had prior contact with him, or if youre raising the possibility that he was targeting specific protesters he had an earlier run-in with?

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[Wilbur Mercer]

True. I don't think they were doing OSUT back when I went through in the 90's. And even now isn't it only for 11B or is it all combat MOS's?

But even with OSUT, when you figure in all the processing time, 4 months is cutting it close. If he did graduate then that means he likely got discharged once he got to his unit, and at that point getting discharged is no easy thing. It can take months to kick someone out. So right now my money is on him not graduating, but I haven't a clue what the reason was. Medical, PT failure, failure to adapt or whatever.

Nowadays, 'entry level separation' is pretty common, where people just decide they want to go home. I dont believe it even counts as an official discharge. Also, I remember a guy back in the 90s who got a 'failure to adapt', which I suspect, is the same thing.

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[Paperview]

The available evidence would indicate that he was attempting to leave the demonstration and was blocked in. It would also seem that he counted on the pedestrians to clear the road and many did. The ones he hit were surrounding stopped vehicles in the road. The protesters with the weapons could very well be the reason he was leaving, after protesters attacked the the demonstration he was attending. Im not sure if youre asking if the armed protesters in general, had prior contact with him, or if youre raising the possibility that he was targeting specific protesters he had an earlier run-in with?

The available evidence would indicate that Mohammad was attempting to leave the demonstration and was blocked in. It would also seem that Mohammad counted on the pedestrians to clear the road and many did.

The ones Mohammad hit were surrounding stopped vehicles in the road. The protesters with the weapons could very well be the reason Mohammad was leaving, after protesters attacked the the demonstration Mohammad was attending.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

Yes, people often try to stop before hitting stationary objects.

Notice that he sped up after breaking.

For as ill nerved as you try to paint him, why is he even taking a route that puts him directly in the middle of protesters?

The picture you are so desperately trying to paint is not even substantiated by the video evidence or circumstances.

No, I dont notice that he sped up after braking and neither do you. Not in any of the videos youve linked, at any rate. The last video you posted shows him pushing the impacted vehicle from out of frame, so you have no basis for the claim that he sped up. Thats something youve apparently just made up to rationalize away his attempt to stop. The attempt to stop, that invalidated your assertions that he intentionally hit pedestrians. You are emotionally invested in indicting a 'racist' and facts be damned - hes a bad person, therefore he did it on purpose.

Your name is a dishonor to the great thinkers of Antiquity.

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[holbritter]

Your name and exploitation of the victims, is disgusting. 'Murder' is defined by every known statute as an intentional act. You have some proof of intent, do you? I suggest you contact authorities, because as of yet they have no evidence of intent. Quite to the contrary as some here have so generously provided photos of the vehicle prior to engaging the crowd, brake lights lit and braking smoke from the tires.

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It's probably smoke from accelerating so fast.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

The available evidence would indicate that Mohammad was attempting to leave the demonstration and was blocked in. It would also seem that Mohammad counted on the pedestrians to clear the road and many did.

The ones Mohammad hit were surrounding stopped vehicles in the road. The protesters with the weapons could very well be the reason Mohammad was leaving, after protesters attacked the the demonstration Mohammad was attending.

Im sure you have some hyperbolic point, but I doubt even you know what it is.

MUTED

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[holbritter]

CITATIONS NEEDED

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You need more than citations

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

It's probably smoke from accelerating so fast.

Yes, smoke from accelerating so fast... while on his brakes.


Are you really this stupid, or are you just so desperate for attention?

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[holbritter]

Yes, smoke from accelerating so fast... while on his brakes.


Are you really this stupid, or are you just so desperate for attention?

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Are you really a total a-hole, or just an ordinary troll?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Are you really a total a-hole, or just an ordinary troll?

Hmmm.. it sort of smells like a dirty sock in here.

 

[truthatallcost]

We also see brake lights and braking smoke, so it really doesn't seem intentional.

Why did he drive down this street to begin with? There must have been a better route out of the area, than the one where hundreds of people are standing in the street.

If you watch the video, youll see that he had just run a gauntlet of people throwing things at his car and running into the street as he passed. Its easy to pick apart videos and stills(well, not so easy for some, here), but inside the car, in realtime, is a different thing. Obviously his account of the incident is going to be subjective and biased by his state of mind, just like the witnesses who claimed he intentionally rammed people, despite the photographic evidence to the contrary.

The video I saw only shows him speeding down the street into the crowd. If people throw stuff at your car, that's messed up, but it's not going to satisfy for a self defense argument in court.

Manslaughter? Negligent homicide? Perhaps. Murder? Evidence simply does not support an intentional act.

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From a realistic point of view, it's possible that the charges will will be a less serious form, like manslaughter. Depends who the D.A. is. Obama appointee? First degree murder.

 

[CriticalThought]

No, I dont notice that he sped up after braking and neither do you. Not in any of the videos youve linked, at any rate. The last video you posted shows him pushing the impacted vehicle from out of frame, so you have no basis for the claim that he sped up. Thats something youve apparently just made up to rationalize away his attempt to stop. The attempt to stop, that invalidated your assertions that he intentionally hit pedestrians. You are emotionally invested in indicting a 'racist' and facts be damned - hes a bad person, therefore he did it on purpose.

Your name is a dishonor to the great thinkers of Antiquity.

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The photo you keep citing that showed his brake lights was taken before he hit the crowd, and it is clear he sped up from the video after he hits the crowd and it shows no brake lights until right before he throws it into reverse. You aren't even clear on what the videos show and you have the balls to accuse others of not paying attention? Pathetic.