Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe[W:266]

[vesper]

Nunes has done nothing wrong. He will not be stepping down.
Second, there are two investigations. One into the Russian influence into our election and the other is on the unmasking of names in the Trump transition team on surveillance that had nothing to do with Russia and the purpose behind these convervations being widely dispersed among intel agencies and even leaked.

Part one should be about both campaigns and their Russian ties if the evidence proves Russia indeed try to influence the past election. While the left keeps wanting to make a big deal of anyone who met or talked with a Russian within the Trump transition team, for cripe sakes John Podesta Clinton's campaign manager was up to his eyeballs in Russian ties as is his brother Tony Podesta who runs the lobbying group Podesta Group. The Clintons also have several Russian ties through their Clinton Foundation.

The other part of the investigation that Nunes is pointing to are the leaks of intelligence to the press started under Obama and shortly after he left office the leaks started pouring out as Obama's administration lowered the level of classification so they could be easily leaked just a week before he left office. Conversations that had nothing to do with Russia but instead were picked up, unmasked, and dispersed among all the 16 intel agencies. The big question is why? The logical answer or conclusion was to sabotage Trump's transition and to spy on the Trump team. Obama appointees were in place because the Dems in the Senate were taking their damn good time in confirming any of Trump's cabinet allowing them to continue with the leaks to the press.

Well Nunes is going to get to the bottom of who leaked what and mark my words those in the Obama administration will be facing time behind bars.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Hello? We haven't seen a lot of evidence because the FBI doesn't talk about active investigations.

Uh, hello. No, we haven't seen any evidence.

Merely admitting in public that there is an investigation was an extraordinary step.

Ah, no again. The FBI had no problem admitting an investigation of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation. That's two separate investigations admitted in the past year, so not so extraordinary.

 

[Visbek]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

"bury an investigation"??? There is no need for an independent investigation. The House Intelligence Committee is quite capable of conducting their investigation.

Not anymore.

Nunes is compromised. He has no credibility. He's tainted what used to be a reliably non-partisan committee, and it sure as heck looks like he's doing it to cover for the White House.

Nunes isn't investigating Trump. He's investigating some mythical "Russian collusion" thing....

Yes, that's basically "investigating Trump"

and he's investigating the contention that the Obama administration was spying on Trump and revealing classified information to the media.

No, that's pretty much over. FBI, NSA, Nunes himself have repeatedly stated that it didn't happen.

Nunes' latest claim is that Trump staffers were caught by incidental colleciton, talking to foreigners who were under surveillance, and inappropriately "unmasked." And yet, it turns out he met his source at the White House, rather than one of the numerous SCIFs in DC; and subsequently blurted it out to the press, while refusing to share any information to the rest of the committee (which is mostly Republicans btw).

And to top it off, Nunes canceled a hearing with Yates... after Yates refused to submit to the White House's restrictions on her testimony.

Nunes has blown it. He can't do his job, because he hasn't done his job. It's time for a special prosecutor, precisely to avoid even the appearance of these kinds of conflicts.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Here is a member of the Obama administration who admits on MSNBC that she spied on Trump and distributed information to people on the "Hill". (I presume she meant Congress)

I wonder if Nunes is setting up a little face time with her at some point?

Spied on Trump? Must be some other interview where she admitted that.

I hope Nunes calls her in open session - let's hear what she says she knows!

 

[upsideguy]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Well, there are separate investigations.
One to investigate if the president (or his staff/team) cooperated with and the second is not being discussed.

I think the failure to clearly establish with evidence,the claims made by the FBI, et all, is a huge problem.
First they (the Russians) actually have to be proven to have done it, which is highly questionable, but widely accepted as true.

We should be investigating ALL aspects of the Russians attempt to influence the US political process (elections and otherwise)...

...again, climate change is widely accepted as true, maybe even close to universally so, yet there are those that refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[Visbek]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

They were sure quick to say they hadn't been wiretapping Trump.

Yes, because there wasn't even enough evidence to justify an investigation. Or, for that matter, the accusation.

 

[Visbek]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Uh, hello. No, we haven't seen any evidence.

Yes... that's because... and read it slowly... the FBI doesn't talk about active investigations.

They aren't going to release evidence -- leading to any particular conclusion -- until the investigation is completed. Even then, they aren't going to release anything too sensitive.

Unless you like all those illegal leaks...?

Ah, no again. The FBI had no problem admitting an investigation of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation. That's two separate investigations admitted in the past year, so not so extraordinary.

Yes, that was -- wait for it -- an illegal leak. Which I'm pretty sure was never officially confirmed.

Similar leaks were convinced Clinton would be indicted for it, too. Guess what? Didn't happen.

But hey, leaks are evil and fake and fake news amirite? Yeah.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

How? By sharing the information with the target of his own investigation?!?

That would be a "potential" target of an intelligence committee investigation, assuming there is some evidence supplied at some point to justify it. To date, we've seen none, as in zero.

By withholding it from the rest of the House Intelligence Committee?

I understand that arrangements have been made for the rest of the committee to view the information in a secure environment. So just because they don't have it as fast as you believe they should doesn't mean they won't get it. There is also the possibility that someone on that very committee is implicated. Wouldn't that be fun?

Covering for the guy you stumped for during the campaign is not responsible behavior.

Please. That's ridiculous. It seems there may be some evidence about the source of illegal leaks of classified material involving the president. I'd say the president deserves to see the potential source of illegal leaks so that security can be restored. That would be an action in the national interest, and therefore responsible. I realize that doesn't address your partisan concerns, but they're secondary.

 

[upsideguy]

Nunes has done nothing wrong. He will not be stepping down.
Second, there are two investigations. One into the Russian influence into our election and the other is on the unmasking of names in the Trump transition team on surveillance that had nothing to do with Russia and the purpose behind these convervations being widely dispersed among intel agencies and even leaked.

Part one should be about both campaigns and their Russian ties if the evidence proves Russia indeed try to influence the past election. While the left keeps wanting to make a big deal of anyone who met or talked with a Russian within the Trump transition team, for cripe sakes John Podesta Clinton's campaign manager was up to his eyeballs in Russian ties as is his brother Tony Podesta who runs the lobbying group Podesta Group. The Clintons also have several Russian ties through their Clinton Foundation.

The other part of the investigation that Nunes is pointing to are the leaks of intelligence to the press started under Obama and shortly after he left office the leaks started pouring out as Obama's administration lowered the level of classification so they could be easily leaked just a week before he left office. Conversations that had nothing to do with Russia but instead were picked up, unmasked, and dispersed among all the 16 intel agencies. The big question is why? The logical answer or conclusion was to sabotage Trump's transition and to spy on the Trump team. Obama appointees were in place because the Dems in the Senate were taking their damn good time in confirming any of Trump's cabinet allowing them to continue with the leaks to the press.

Well Nunes is going to get to the bottom of who leaked what and mark my words those in the Obama administration will be facing time behind bars.

You really don't want those words marked..... but you might want to share this with conspiracy guys down the hall.

This is not about members of the Obama administration doing anything wrong; its about Russian influence in the US elections and within the Trump administration.

 

[yankintx]

You really don't want those words marked..... but you might want to share this with conspiracy guys down the hall.

This is not about members of the Obama administration doing anything wrong; its about Russian influence in the US elections and within the Trump administration.

Ah those Trumpsters, a dose of reality will be in the cards, blind devotion does attract those who cannot see the wood thru the forest.

 

[mbig]

Nunes has done nothing wrong. He will not be stepping down.

He's done plenty wrong.

He's compromised the investigation by informing it's possible top TARGET of Secret information.. AND he withheld it from his committee.
He canceled today's scheduled public hearings and the testimony of Gates, Clapper, and Rogers. Thursday's private testimony as well.
The committee is dead stopped due to his Conflict of interest and unbelieavbly dishonest partisan actions.
He was on the Trump Transition team as well, as.. those being looked at.
Is there ANYTHING else he could have done worse?​

Part one should be about both campaigns and their Russian ties if the evidence proves Russia indeed try to influence the past election. While the left keeps wanting to make a big deal of anyone who met or talked with a Russian within the Trump transition team, for cripe sakes John Podesta Clinton's campaign manager was up to his eyeballs in Russian ties as is his brother Tony Podesta who runs the lobbying group Podesta Group. The Clintons also have several Russian ties through their Clinton Foundation...

It's already been settled that Russia intervened, and did so on the side of Trump.
That's why we're looking at this group, and they have found plenty of contacts in support.

 

[Mustachio]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

I don't share your opinion of Obama. I have read that this information was supplied to the Obama WH. Now, like everything else these days, I have no idea if that's true or not. I'm not hanging this on Obama, but given the proclivity in recent decades to use the power of supposedly impartial federal agencies to pursue partisan political attacks, I'm not going to sing his praises. Did Obama know? I don't know, and I doubt we ever will. In any case, I hope this speculation and the unfounded rumors end soon. And I wish someone - anyone - would take Trump's cell phone away from him at night. I'm not interested in his late night musings.

We agree on two things. That's not bad these days.

 

[vesper]

You really don't want those words marked..... but you might want to share this with conspiracy guys down the hall.

This is not about members of the Obama administration doing anything wrong; its about Russian influence in the US elections and within the Trump administration.

You are very wrong. There are two investigations going on at the same time.

You just wish to focus on one. And even that you don't wish to focus on the ties to Russians the campaign manager for Clinton, Podesta and his brother had with Russia nor the ties of the Clintons and their foundation.

 

[vesper]

He's done plenty wrong.

He's compromised the investigation by informing it's possible top TARGET of Secret information.. AND he withheld it from his committee.
He canceled today's scheduled public hearings and the testimony of Gates, Clapper, and Rogers. Thursday's private testimony as well.
The committee is dead stopped due to his Conflict of interest and unbelieavbly dishonest partisan actions.
He was on the Trump Transition team as well, as.. those being looked at.
Is there ANYTHING else he could have done worse?​

It's already been settled that Russia intervened, and did so on the side of Trump.
That's why we're looking at this group, and they have found plenty of conracts in support.

BS. You make a lot of assumptions when the investigation is still ongoing. Russia thought Trump was going to lose just like everyone else. They gave up on him winning months before the election. The polls showed him losing. the MSM were doing victory laps 6 weeks before the election and earlier believing Clinton was going to win.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Y'all need to make up your minds. Was he "sneaking around" or making a "very public sprint"?

When did I say he was sneaking around? Pretty obvious when you hold a press conference telling everyone what you just did that you're not sneaking around. Seems like a straw man to me. He was sneaking around the day before meeting with his secret contacts with secret info only he and Trump can see.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

If it's something they can't state then neither could another committee. Again, see the 28 pages of the 9/11 commission that was classified for years as precedence. So what I have here is a unformed case in what a supposed independent investigation could do vs those on the committee unless, again, you're literally saying all 9 Democrat members are wholly incompetent and unable to do their jobs. If that's the case, then they should all be fired and replaced by those who are.

It's sort of relevant who heads committees in the House. He (or she) is a dictator and nothing happens without his permission. But you know this so why are you playing dumb?

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Good. But you don't.

Right, so Nunes should share his blockbuster secret information with the committee, not me.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Spied on Trump? Must be some other interview where she admitted that.

I hope Nunes calls her in open session - let's hear what she says she knows!

Be careful what you wish for...you might not like getting it.

In any case, I'm not surprised you won't admit to her own words.

You are dismissed.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Not anymore.

Nunes is compromised. He has no credibility. He's tainted what used to be a reliably non-partisan committee, and it sure as heck looks like he's doing it to cover for the White House.



Yes, that's basically "investigating Trump"



No, that's pretty much over. FBI, NSA, Nunes himself have repeatedly stated that it didn't happen.

Nunes' latest claim is that Trump staffers were caught by incidental colleciton, talking to foreigners who were under surveillance, and inappropriately "unmasked." And yet, it turns out he met his source at the White House, rather than one of the numerous SCIFs in DC; and subsequently blurted it out to the press, while refusing to share any information to the rest of the committee (which is mostly Republicans btw).

And to top it off, Nunes canceled a hearing with Yates... after Yates refused to submit to the White House's restrictions on her testimony.

Nunes has blown it. He can't do his job, because he hasn't done his job. It's time for a special prosecutor, precisely to avoid even the appearance of these kinds of conflicts.

Wow...all this spin, lies, hyperbole and innuendo. All because you cannot admit facts.

You are dismissed.

 

[upsideguy]

You are very wrong. There are two investigations going on at the same time.

You just wish to focus on one. And even that you don't wish to focus on the ties to Russians the campaign manager for Clinton, Podesta and his brother had with Russia nor the ties of the Clintons and their foundation.

Hey, had the Clinton's won, maybe you would have had something. But, they did not, so its moot. You can let go of the Clinton's. Your nightmare is over. They have been relegated to American history.

Meanwhile the entire Trump administration and his presidency is painted red. He is going to spend most of the year digging himself out (if he can). There has been an active FBI investigation going on since July. If their was a "wiretap" its because their was probable cause. Trump is not exactly acting as if he is innocent of the allegations at hand.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Yes... that's because... and read it slowly... the FBI doesn't talk about active investigations.

They aren't going to release evidence -- leading to any particular conclusion -- until the investigation is completed. Even then, they aren't going to release anything too sensitive.

Unless you like all those illegal leaks...?

You guys are using the FBI or the committee when it suits you. Hey. You're still stuck on that Russian hotel hooker thing, peeing on the beds and all that made up crap. You just don't want to admit it. You don't even have probable cause for an investigation except that it's Trump and not Clinton in the WH. Another things you won't admit.

Yes, that was -- wait for it -- an illegal leak. Which I'm pretty sure was never officially confirmed.

Similar leaks were convinced Clinton would be indicted for it, too. Guess what? Didn't happen.

But hey, leaks are evil and fake and fake news amirite? Yeah.

Are you right? No, you're not right, in every respect. No, Clinton was exposed by her own hand, and any resulting leaks from the FBI investigation were not believable. Nobody I know ever believed that the Obama administration would permit an indictment of the wife of a former president who served in that administration. If she had been indicted, Obama would've been a witness. That wasn't going to happen.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Say what? You have 'facts' that the Democrats are afraid of what an investigation might reveal and are trying to shut it down?

~snipped the rest because it's all repeat stuff~

LOL!!

I believe my wording was "I suspect". Does that constitute a "fact" in your mind?

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

They were sure quick to say they hadn't been wiretapping Trump.

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Yeah, well when Trump makes up a story and spreads it on his Twitter feed, seems reasonable for the agencies to comment on whether they were in fact committing crimes or not as alleged by the POTUS.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

The official said that Nunes would have had to go to the White House

It wasn't in the White House.

Otay! Whatever you say...

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

What a joke of a statement. Dismissed.



Guess what? This may come as a shock to you but Obama and Trump can both be divisive. Trump can be even more divisive than Obama and that doesn't absolve Obama of also being guilty. Shocking, I know.

That aside, that didn't address my question. Do you think all 9 Democrat members of the oversight committee are so inept that they would withhold a smoking gun if they had it? Every single one? If so, they should all be fired and replaced.

They're probably afraid that the corrupt cowards in charge of the government would imprison them for unauthorized release of classified information.