Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe[W:266]

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

It's sort of relevant who heads committees in the House. He (or she) is a dictator and nothing happens without his permission. But you know this so why are you playing dumb?

So the other 9 Democrat members aren't allowed to conduct their business without a "by your leave" from Nunes? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

This particular whistleblower wanted to provide a particular person about information he/she had. They didn't want to become the focus of political football. Also, with how libs have loved leaking these days, he/she probably doesn't want their name known by a larger group of people.

This is what proper legal whistleblowing looks like. I find it telling that the low-integrity libs are more concerned about the identity of someone sharing information through legal channels than the identity of those who committed felony violations when they leaked classified information.

I really don't think personal friends within the intel community that Nunes has cultivated (and that the WH allowed) to share said intel can be considered a "whistle blower", but whatever toots yer horn...

 

[Kobie]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

So the other 9 Democrat members aren't allowed to conduct their business without a "by your leave" from Nunes? Is that what you're saying?

Do you have the foggiest idea of how congressional committees function?

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

They're probably afraid that the corrupt cowards in charge of the government would imprison them for unauthorized release of classified information.

Is that what you think? You don't think there is any way for them to find that smoking gun and then take action without threat of being imprisoned? Well, if that's the case, then they are cowards that still need to be fired and replaced by those who is capable of doing the job.

 

[Linc]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

So the other 9 Democrat members aren't allowed to conduct their business without a "by your leave" from Nunes? Is that what you're saying?

What meetings are being conducted by the NO oversight committee this week?

And get ready to defend ELLIS .

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

The reports that were briefed to Nunes where he talks about the identity of U.S. persons being improperly unmasked.

But those are Obama era "reports", a different subject entirely, those are not the same WH/invite only/personal friend/bunga bunga party intel.

Those don't **** out of nowhere and then disappear. They come from a database where the reports are all published to and can be readily looked up again.

Not what we are discussing.

Nope. They are valid and they were acknowledge as such and their validity is not contingent on the identity of the person that originally leaked them.

Does anybody really believe that a reporter, who nobody ever heard of, "went to his mailbox" and found my tax returns? @NBCNews FAKE NEWS!

 

[JasperL]

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That would be a "potential" target of an intelligence committee investigation, assuming there is some evidence supplied at some point to justify it. To date, we've seen none, as in zero.

I'm not sure what you're expecting but it's pretty incredible you're whining that the FBI isn't doing partial releases of evidence as they go to keep the public informed. We have seen no evidence, which is exactly what we should all expect until the investigation is complete, or nearly so, and a determination made as to whether or not any crime happened.

I understand that arrangements have been made for the rest of the committee to view the information in a secure environment. So just because they don't have it as fast as you believe they should doesn't mean they won't get it. There is also the possibility that someone on that very committee is implicated. Wouldn't that be fun?

What I saw didn't indicate that but it's very possible I missed something. But you have to recognize that sharing this information with Trump then making the committee wait even a DAY is pretty highly unusual. If there is no problem with the rest of the committee seeing it, why not that day, same as Trump?

Please. That's ridiculous. It seems there may be some evidence about the source of illegal leaks of classified material involving the president. I'd say the president deserves to see the potential source of illegal leaks so that security can be restored. That would be an action in the national interest, and therefore responsible. I realize that doesn't address your partisan concerns, but they're secondary.

It would be responsible if he handled it anywhere close to with the norms required of the head of that committee, which he failed to do.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Otay! Whatever you say...

:doh Realize that the White House is more than just the residence. Just because you see pictures of the residence, and I know you like pictures, doesn't mean that the residence constitutes the complete composition of the White House complex. For example, there is the Eisenhauer Executive Office Building. In that building the NSA maintains an office. Surprise! It's all generically referred to as the White House.

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Do you have the foggiest idea of how congressional committees function?

Can I chalk you up to not having any faith in the ability of the 9 Democrat members of the oversight committee then?

 

[Linc]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Can I chalk you up to not having any faith in the ability of the 9 Democrat members of the oversight committee then?

What Ellis Intel has Nunes shown these Democrats ?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Eisenhauer (sic)Executive Office Building. In that building the NSA maintains an office. Surprise! It's all generically referred to as the White House.

Its a dessert topping, its a floor shine....

 

[DA60]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Let's ban both major parties and start again.

Bunch of spoiled brats (95+% anyway, imo).

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

But those are Obama era "reports", a different subject entirely, those are not the same WH/invite only/personal friend/bunga bunga party intel.

Yes, that's what's being investigated, collusion between Trump and Russia to win the election.

Not what we are discussing.

Literally what's being discussed.

Does anybody really believe that a reporter, who nobody ever heard of, "went to his mailbox" and found my tax returns? @NBCNews FAKE NEWS!

Right...I think he's questioning the validity of how the reporter got the information. I mean, he knew what it was and released it before Maddow.

Trump releases 2005 tax info ahead of Rachel Maddow report - Business Insider

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Let's ban both major parties and start again.

Bunch of spoiled brats (95+% anyway, imo).

I prefer there to be no political parties, if you are either running for, or holding office.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

What Ellis Intel has Nunes shown these Democrats ?

Don't you actually mean, "What will he never reveal to them"?

This is just so transparent.

Devin Nunes Vows To 'Never' Reveal Source Of Surveillance Claims | The Huffington Post

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Be careful what you wish for...you might not like getting it.

All I want is a complete investigation with the truth coming out in the end. I'll "like" whatever that is just fine. She says she has information, surely you want to hear exactly what she knows, too, right, in an open session so we can all see and hear her testimony. And the GOPers can grill her on how the WH handled the information in the same hearing. Win/win!

In any case, I'm not surprised you won't admit to her own words.

You are dismissed.

If she said it in her own words, "Here is a member of the Obama administration who admits on MSNBC that she spied on Trump " quote her, or tell us where in that clip this admission happened. I listened and didn't hear it.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

I'm not sure what you're expecting but it's pretty incredible you're whining that the FBI isn't doing partial releases of evidence as they go to keep the public informed. We have seen no evidence, which is exactly what we should all expect until the investigation is complete, or nearly so, and a determination made as to whether or not any crime happened.

I'm not speaking exclusively of the FBI investigation. As I just mentioned, you folks seem content to conflate one with the other when it suits you to do so. To date, no evidence has been presented anywhere by anyone that has any merit. So I'm left assuming it's the media hype driven by the political left here because Clinton lost that is the only foundation for anything. I'm quite content to let the FBI do what it does. No, the snarky "the FBI doesn't release evidence during an ongoing investigation" **** doesn't cut it with me. As nearly as I can tell, the left is hiding their lack of anything significant at all behind that ongoing investigation crap.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

LOL!!

I believe my wording was "I suspect". Does that constitute a "fact" in your mind?

Mycroft: "And the "big reason" they want Nunes out of it is because they are afraid what he'll uncover. The only question is why are they afraid?"

And if you 'suspect' you're telling us what you "believe," after you just told us you care only about FACTS. You're messing up your own story. :lamo

 

[Linc]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Don't you actually mean, "What will he never reveal to them"?

This is just so transparent.

Devin Nunes Vows To 'Never' Reveal Source Of Surveillance Claims | The Huffington Post

Nunes will reveal his source in front of a Senate or Independent hearing when subpoenaed.

Nunes and trump are not going to get away with Yates not testifying and McConnell will not get away with running out the clock as he did with Garland.

Nunes may very well have implicated his Speaker as well .

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Don't you actually mean, "What will he never reveal to them"?

This is just so transparent.

Devin Nunes Vows To 'Never' Reveal Source Of Surveillance Claims | The Huffington Post

Revealing the source is irrelevant. The reports themselves being valid is the only thing that is relevant and should be easily checked against their databases.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

So the other 9 Democrat members aren't allowed to conduct their business without a "by your leave" from Nunes? Is that what you're saying?

Yes, exactly right, they cannot call witnesses, subpoena documents, etc. without the Chair signing off.

For example, they had witnesses lined up for this week and Nunes cancelled the hearings. If Nunes refuses, Democrats cannot force Nunes to call Sally Yates. In the House the Chair is a functional dictator. Only public pressure can "force" him to do anything at all. It's why the Democrats have threatened to pull out unless Nunes acts reasonably.

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Yes, exactly right, they cannot call witnesses, subpoena documents, etc. without the Chair signing off.

For example, they had witnesses lined up for this week and Nunes cancelled the hearings. If Nunes refuses, Democrats cannot force Nunes to call Sally Yates. In the House the Chair is a functional dictator. Only public pressure can "force" him to do anything at all. It's why the Democrats have threatened to pull out unless Nunes acts reasonably.

How about they just go talk to her themselves? Or how about they go to NSA headquarters themselves and ask to see stuff? They are entitled to access by their position and Nunes cannot prohibit them from going about. For example, Schiff has seen his own reports and stated, ambiguously, that there is more than circumstantial evidence on Trump.

 

[Linc]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Yes, exactly right, they cannot call witnesses, subpoena documents, etc. without the Chair signing off.

For example, they had witnesses lined up for this week and Nunes cancelled the hearings. If Nunes refuses, Democrats cannot force Nunes to call Sally Yates. In the House the Chair is a functional dictator. Only public pressure can "force" him to do anything at all. It's why the Democrats have threatened to pull out unless Nunes acts reasonably.

And pressure from grownup Senators like Sasse, McCain and Graham .

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

I'm not speaking exclusively of the FBI investigation. As I just mentioned, you folks seem content to conflate one with the other when it suits you to do so. To date, no evidence has been presented anywhere by anyone that has any merit. So I'm left assuming it's the media hype driven by the political left here because Clinton lost that is the only foundation for anything. I'm quite content to let the FBI do what it does. No, the snarky "the FBI doesn't release evidence during an ongoing investigation" **** doesn't cut it with me. As nearly as I can tell, the left is hiding their lack of anything significant at all behind that ongoing investigation crap.

So you're lamenting there aren't more illegal leaks by democrats and Obama officials and effectively blaming them for not leaking? Seems like it, because otherwise, where would this "evidence" you expect to see come from?

 

[Linc]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Mycroft: "And the "big reason" they want Nunes out of it is because they are afraid what he'll uncover. The only question is why are they afraid?"

And if you 'suspect' you're telling us what you "believe," after you just told us you care only about FACTS. You're messing up your own story. :lamo

Even when Nixon/trump gave us the peace sign in 1974 when I was in college, his supporters still wouldn't budge .