Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe[W:266]

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

How about they just go talk to her themselves? Or how about they go to NSA headquarters themselves and ask to see stuff? They are entitled to access by their position and Nunes cannot prohibit them from going about. For example, Schiff has seen his own reports and stated, ambiguously, that there is more than circumstantial evidence on Trump.

You're deliberately I assume understating the power of the Chair here.

For example, after they go to NSA, then what - the Democrats hold a press conference and share their classified information with the public? Oh, right, releasing it if the NSA cooperates and gives them documents without a subpoena will be through the committee that Nunes controls like a dictator. Is e.g. Roger Stone going to agree to an interview with Schiff and just the Democrats? Huh, that's an obvious HELL NO. Now what?

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

You're deliberately I assume understating the power of the Chair here.

For example, after they go to NSA, then what - the Democrats hold a press conference and share their classified information with the public? Oh, right, releasing it if the NSA cooperates and gives them documents without a subpoena will be through the committee that Nunes controls like a dictator. Is e.g. Roger Stone going to agree to an interview with Schiff and just the Democrats? Huh, that's an obvious HELL NO. Now what?

No need for interviewing anyone. Just go to the NSA and check out the databases for the reports themselves. They'll be on the access roster. Then they can have a press conference that doesn't release the info but they can talk about having the smoking gun to various degrees and also start including other congressional members in on the info, who have the clearance.

To think they they have to just throw up their hands and say, "Oh bother!" is silly.

 

[Glowpun]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Nunes won't step aside. Paul Ryan, who used to be able to count me as being one of his biggest fans, is publicly supporting him. Because of this, the Congressional investigation is now seriously compromised, and it's going to be up to the Senate to pick up the pieces from here.

I am deeply concerned about Speaker Ryan's lack of ability to see that the optics of Nunes' actions are bad to anyone who looks at them. He has an obligation to the American people and he is not living up to his obligation.

I find what happened to be very concerning.

Look, here is my take.

1.Republicans are more concerned about their party than they are for the American people.

2.Psychic has told me that your president and some of his people are already compromised by Putin and the Russians. If you look at Trump's behavior towards Putin and the Russians it should make it all too clear except for some of his followers!

 

[Kobie]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Can I chalk you up to not having any faith in the ability of the 9 Democrat members of the oversight committee then?

To do what?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Revealing the source is irrelevant. The reports themselves being valid is the only thing that is relevant and should be easily checked against their databases.

Lulz. It's completely relevant because it goes to the heart of his fairy tale that's changed several times over the past few days now.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

No need for interviewing anyone. Just go to the NSA and check out the databases for the reports themselves. They'll be on the access roster. Then they can have a press conference that doesn't release the info but they can talk about having the smoking gun to various degrees and also start including other congressional members in on the info, who have the clearance.

To think they they have to just throw up their hands and say, "Oh bother!" is silly.

That's not what I'm arguing at all, but you're deliberately ignoring that an actual investigation requires the cooperation of the chair, and if he decides to shut it down or conduct a sham investigation, there is almost nothing the Democrats can do except use public pressure to get him to change his mind or to have Ryan remove him as Chair or to get an independent panel convened.

And do you think that holding a press conference without releasing the info is the purpose here? Or the democrats making claims "We know Trump colluded but we cannot show you our smoking gun but it does exist!!" is the end of a successful investigation? Give us a break. You appear to know better so who do you think you are fooling?

 

[yankintx]

You are very wrong. There are two investigations going on at the same time.

You just wish to focus on one. And even that you don't wish to focus on the ties to Russians the campaign manager for Clinton, Podesta and his brother had with Russia nor the ties of the Clintons and their foundation.

No one cares about Hilldog except those that got disappointed when the chant "lock her up" was just that, food for the Clinton haters, lord knows Donny welched on another campaign promise, though not suprised as the Birther built his campaign on a convenient lie.

 

[Fiddytree]

Trump's errand boy is exposed as an errand boy and becomes upset at the implication.

 

[Fiddytree]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Nunes won't step aside. Paul Ryan, who used to be able to count me as being one of his biggest fans, is publicly supporting him. Because of this, the Congressional investigation is now seriously compromised, and it's going to be up to the Senate to pick up the pieces from here.

I am deeply concerned about Speaker Ryan's lack of ability to see that the optics of Nunes' actions are bad to anyone who looks at them. He has an obligation to the American people and he is not living up to his obligation.

I find what happened to be very concerning.

So long as Ryan sees Trump as a tool, the GOP in the House of Representatives will continue its steep decline.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Is that what you think? You don't think there is any way for them to find that smoking gun and then take action without threat of being imprisoned? Well, if that's the case, then they are cowards that still need to be fired and replaced by those who is capable of doing the job.

Explain to me how they can come forward with information Nunes is hiding from them.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Yes, that's what's being investigated, collusion between Trump and Russia to win the election.
Literally what's being discussed.
Right...I think he's questioning the validity of how the reporter got the information. I mean, he knew what it was and released it before Maddow.

Trump releases 2005 tax info ahead of Rachel Maddow report - Business Insider

so just to be clear, the reports, those concerning Flynn, who was "unmasked", are valid reports.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

I lost count of how many times you said the rabid left.

You stated that there is no collusion.

Who has their mind made up ?

Obiously, the rabid left does. They say it all the time.

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Lulz. It's completely relevant because it goes to the heart of his fairy tale that's changed several times over the past few days now.

*shrug* Either the reports that he was briefed are valid, or they are not. It's easy to verify such things. Again, the source holds little relevance and those who care more about the identity of a sources providing information via legal means than sources providing information through illegal leaking of information are full of hypocrisy and partisan BS.

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

That's not what I'm arguing at all, but you're deliberately ignoring that an actual investigation requires the cooperation of the chair, and if he decides to shut it down or conduct a sham investigation, there is almost nothing the Democrats can do except use public pressure to get him to change his mind or to have Ryan remove him as Chair or to get an independent panel convened.

And do you think that holding a press conference without releasing the info is the purpose here? Or the democrats making claims "We know Trump colluded but we cannot show you our smoking gun but it does exist!!" is the end of a successful investigation? Give us a break. You appear to know better so who do you think you are fooling?

That's when they would start pulling more congressional members into the process and put internal pressure on Nunes to open things up, if he was really going to log-jam every single thing. You think public pressure can't be built up to the point where he'd have to relent? I don't think that's nearly a hill to large to climb.

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Explain to me how they can come forward with information Nunes is hiding from them.

They have full access to any information they want, by law. Nunes can't hide anything from them, they can look it up for themselves.

 

[Fishking]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

so just to be clear, the reports, those concerning Flynn, who was "unmasked", are valid reports.

Yes. How else would there be transcripts? They would have to be written up and entered into some database or another.

 

[Athanasius68]

He's done plenty wrong.

He's compromised the investigation by informing it's possible top TARGET of Secret information.. AND he withheld it from his committee.
He canceled today's scheduled public hearings and the testimony of Gates, Clapper, and Rogers. Thursday's private testimony as well.
The committee is dead stopped due to his Conflict of interest and unbelieavbly dishonest partisan actions.
He was on the Trump Transition team as well, as.. those being looked at.
Is there ANYTHING else he could have done worse?​

Shiff had already announced that there is more than circumstantial evidence as to the claims- without revealing what that evidence us. Scarcely the work of a non partisan.

Meanwhile, the material which Nunes viewed was Executive Dept. stuff. Meanibg Trump had full rights and authorization to see it anyhow.

Nunes was wondering about the dissemination of it within the Obama White House-- that is infornation gleaned while Obama Admin was surveilling.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

No, you were describing how the "NSA" person works, Congress has SCIF's.

No, I am describing how a SCIF works. The NSA official in question worked at the White House complex, so they use the White House SCIF. SCIFS, being compartmentalized (that is what the C stands for) are not interlinked with other locations in a way that would make their data easily shareable between SCIFs, it is part of the security features of a SCIF. One SCIF breech is not supposed to mean a breech of all SCIFs, just the one and whatever was housed there, and access to one SCIF doesn't mean you can access all of the data available to all SCIFs.

Think of them more like office networks. If you work at a company that uses Verizon internet that doesn't mean you have access to all networks that use Verizon. SCIFs are like that, only even more secure, making it a heavy lift even to move things between SCIFs on SIPR. Since this kind of security is in place it is much easier for you to walk down the street and access data in the White House SCIF than to jump through the hoops to get access to the data in the Capitol SCIF.

 

[ocean515]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

He's so restricted in what he can reveal he makes a very public sprint to the Oval Office with a breathless press conference thrown in for good measure!

And why cancel the hearings?



All we know for sure is Nunes torpedoed his credibility - why is still a mystery.

One admittedly small thing does bother me, though. When asked if he knew who Stone and Page were, Nunes lied and said he'd never heard of them - not that he hadn't met them or knew them well, but whether he even recognized the names, and he lied about it. That's still a mystery to me.

I doubt Nunes is concerned with the growing nervousness the Democrats are revealing. The only ones running around like chickens with their heads cut off are the Dems who could potentially be seeing their narratives coming back to crush them.

While it's certainly open season for Dems to launch any accusation and CT they can, people are just going to have to wait to see what is going on, and where the investigation is going.

The fact Dems are calling for Nunes to recuse himself suggests to me they are very nervous about what is being discovered. Very powerful dark state forces appear to be involved here.

Not aware of the Stone/Page thing, nor the context of the question he was asked, or his answer, so I have no comment to make on your claim.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Nunes knew exactly what he was doing. Nunes looked rather impotent during that Monday hearing and within minutes was badly out maneuvered by Adam Schiff and the rest of the Democrats. He looked like a fool by comparison. So what does he then do? Takes steps to blow up his own committee and now future sessions have been "postponed" sparing him and his master Trump future humiliation.

Crazy like a fox is.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

IIRC, it was Clinton who waited to meet with Lynch in her plane on the tarmac at the airport, and after she met with him, she felt that the best way to handle that was to remove herself from the decision-making process because his wife was involved? How did he even know where Lynch would be at any given time? Some people are just lucky, I guess..... :shock:

EXCLUSIVE: Security Source Details Bill Clinton Maneuver to Meet Loretta Lynch | | Observer

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

No, he did not.

And a week later, he hasn't held a single meeting with another committee member to share with them what he knows. He has made himself unavailable to all of the other members, including those from his own party.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

They have full access to any information they want, by law. Nunes can't hide anything from them, they can look it up for themselves.

By doing what exactly? He claims his information was given to him by someone who is to remain anonymous, so they all have no idea what it was, no idea where it came from, no idea who do go to. What precisely are they supposed to do to "look it up for themselves"?

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

And a week later, he hasn't held a single meeting with another committee member to share with them what he knows. He has made himself unavailable to all of the other members, including those from his own party.

Nunes said he'll be able to provide the information to the committee this week, but I'm not holding my breath. I'll wait until it actually happens.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Nunes said he'll be able to provide the information to the committee this week, but I'm not holding my breath. I'll wait until it actually happens.

Why the wait? Share it with them now. Or does he enjoy political spectacle, the cloud of suspicion, and the appearance of impropriety? If I were Nunes, I would want everyone on that committee to know exactly what I saw as soon as possible - if not the Democrats, certainly the friendly members of my own party.